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Lavender CrystalSwan
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posted November 10, 2013 07:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
btw anyone has this book?
http://venusstarrising.com/

Amazing read!

Interestingly my Venus-Star is on 13 Scorpio (Evening star of course).

(I have an asteroid stellium there of Siva, Moira, London, Walpurga, Lancelot, Eurydike and probably some others all from 14-16 Scorpio, and it is on the exact antiscion of my Moon).


The author highlights the different relationships also, depending on which star you land (there are always 5 connected to each other I think).

Twin Star relationship
karmic Star
Creative Star


If you want I can look it up for you.


That would be very kind of you if you could, thank you!
Do you need the full birth data?

That book sounds very interesting & innovative!
I'll definitely purchase it in the future!

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posted November 10, 2013 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
LOL!

The Sabian for mine is:
A Man Watches His Ideals Taking A Concrete Form Before His Inner Vision


it is dang on my MC. lol

actually my MC is 4.57 Libra
A Man Revealing To His Students The Foundation Of An Inner Knowledge Upon Which A "New World" Could Be Built

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posted November 10, 2013 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
That would be very kind of you if you could, thank you!
Do you need the full birth data?

That book sounds very interesting & innovative!
I'll definitely purchase it in the future!



yes I need both birthdates

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posted November 10, 2013 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Somehow I knew that Soma will be heavy in our synastry... The description you gave of it fits to the T!
lol I'll tell you more in your Soma thread in the asteroid forum

look it up with Aura.

Strangely i never even looked it up in the synastry with MrSag.

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Lavender CrystalSwan
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posted November 10, 2013 07:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
it is dang on my MC. lol

actually my MC is 4.57 Libra
A Man Revealing To His Students The Foundation Of An Inner Knowledge Upon Which A "New World" Could Be Built


DANG lol

I think this sabian really fits for you!

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Lavender CrystalSwan
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posted November 10, 2013 07:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 10, 2013 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your Venus-Star: 26.44 Capricorn - Evening star
his Venus - Star:

his Venus-Star: 15.09 Aries - Evening Star


Your Relationship type would be thus a Creative-relationship-type (same as between Mr Sag and me).


Interestingly this is said to be the free-est form of relatioship-type, devoid of Karma.
It is loosely based on the stars either being in sextile or quintile relationship to each other, but they don´t have to be in orb for the actual aspect (well in my and Mr Sag`s casae they are actually in exact quintile; his VSP on 1 VIrgo on his NN and mine on 13 SCorpio).

Of course you have to look up if they are triggering some other planets in the respective charts, but gnerally speaking the interpretation is like this:

For the Creative Star in General:

"Among such pairings are many successful artistic, musical and business partnerships. Such partners have no karmic debt to each other and their relationships generally reflect romance, play and freedom. Both paties encourage each other`s personal self-expresseion and offer stimulus to their creativity. Such a relationship can be thought of as each other`s helping hand. There is not as much long term security and transformation in this pairing,b ut there is also less control and more freedom. These couples see each other as comfort food with neither partner bent on forcing the other to comply to a particular agenda. People feel free to come and go from this relationship with no strings attached. In this creative star the individuals help or inspire each other, rather than feed each other as in the Karmic star."


and for you personally:

"Aries helps and inspires the Capricorn VSP. This union may promise more stability and long-term security than Aries with the Auqairus star. This is a combination well suited to the creative collaboration of buisiness engagement. The Aries VSP can help the Capricorn VSP discover and nurture the inner child."

(taken from the book above).


Though in a first reading the Creative Star seems to be the most un-fated of the three of them, I have come to like it the most because of the carefree and playfully romantic feeling it brings.

Besides with all That Saturn-action there is more than enough karmic heavy stuff, anyway.


I don`t find it as fitting though as the prenatal ecclipses are.

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Lavender CrystalSwan
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Thanks so much Ceri!!
I really appreciate you taking the time to look those up

I really like that description lol!
I find most parts of it very fitting, such as the creativity & freedom of expression part.
This IMO shows how the two are unconditionally loving and accepting of one another.

It sounds very "high-vibrational", if I can put it that way... Very spiritual and open and free of anything "dense" and karmic (well, negative karma that is)

I especially find this quote very fitting:
"These couples see each other as comfort food with neither partner bent on forcing the other to comply to a particular agenda."

Lol at the comfort food reference!
Yes, couldn't be more true...

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posted November 10, 2013 09:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interestingly,
My VSP squares my Venus 2°
His VSP opposes his Venus 1°

Other aspects it makes in our charts:
My VSP trines my Mercury 1°
His VSP squares his Sun/Moon MP 1°

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posted November 10, 2013 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Thanks so much Ceri!!
I really appreciate you taking the time to look those up

I really like that description lol!
I find most parts of it very fitting, such as the creativity & freedom of expression part.
This IMO shows how the two are unconditionally loving and accepting of one another.

It sounds very "high-vibrational", if I can put it that way... Very spiritual and open and free of anything "dense" and karmic (well, negative karma that is)

I especially find this quote very fitting:
"These couples see each other as comfort food with neither partner bent on forcing the other to comply to a particular agenda."

Lol at the comfort food reference!
Yes, couldn't be more true...


Yes, I perceive it the same way as you do; at the same time going by the book it seems like the other two types would be more similiar to what we consider twinflames or karmic soulmates. I find that interesting, cause i definitely prefer the description of the creative star.

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posted November 10, 2013 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find it interesting that apparently the recent ecclipse took place so close to my VSP, and actually our composite Uranus/MC-conjunction is conjunct it as well.

Oh and of course our composite Eros/Priapus/IC and Davison Venus is opposite my VSP.


For him composite SOMA is exactly conjunct his VSP which is on the same degree as his NN and opposite his Priapus - is it a coincidence, thta Soma pops up again? lol

composite VESTA is opposite this (and sits on his SN and Priapus obviously along with my BML lol)


Davison Pallas right on Davison 8th house cusp is conjunct his VSP by 2 degrees and actually it is trine the Davison Chiron. A lot of healing taking place through the third eye activation probably.

Pallas 3 Virgo
Black And White Children Play Together Happily

(this Davison Pallas is conjunct my natal Akasha by 0°06 :eek .


Oh I just see there is a Grand trine of Pallas (3 Virgo), Chiron (4 Taurus) and Eros (3 Capricorn) in the Davison. lol

And more than that Davison Chiron is conjunct his natal Vesta, Davison Eros is conjunct my natal Vesta.


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posted November 10, 2013 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Lioness,

Have you checked both the pre-natal Solar & Lunar eclipses?

If one doesn't happen to be active in your synastries, then perhaps the other one might.



I went back and checked

Se @ 18 cancer
Le @ 3 Leo

Neither degrees touch my natal planets.
The le degree sextiles my Pluto and trines my Neptune

My x husband and fishy both Jupiter conjunct my LE

I can't think of any time this has been a sensitive spot..

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Well, I had not checked his pre-natal SOLAR eclipse (only lunar as it was closest to birth) but now I look at his pre-natal SE;

- Sun 29 Can 04 Conjunct Moon 29 Can 04(SE)!

While MY pre-natal SE is;

- Sun 28 Can 55 Conjunct Moon 28 Can 55(SE)!

While the pre-natal of my first & longest love (we are STILL friends after 20 years) is;

- Sun 27 Can 24 Conjunct Moon 27 Can 24(SE)!


It's a bit too much of a coincidence if you ask me. Pfffft!

I guess they love my Venus at 29'53 cancer

And btw, the energy between me and ex & me and him is sooooo the same! More than it ever was with another guy in those 20 years!
I even compared them more than once with each other because of the felt similarities.

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Btw, we both also have our Venus-star in Scorpio, 8 degrees apart. Me morning star, him evening star. Ow and Ceri, your Venus-star is exactly the midpoint of our Venus-stars

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Personally I wouldn`t look up the ecclipses after birth, unless the birth took place IMMEDIATELY (within a week) before the next ecclipse.

Yea.. that's coincidentally the case with me, within a week after birth the LE. 9 days before it the SE.

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posted November 10, 2013 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, this is rather impressive i didn't know such points existed and could be this significant.
i checked those with someone i am having quite a hard time just forgetting about and being indifferent to and this is what came up:
his pre natal SE is: Sun 25 Cap 20 Conjunct Moon 25 Cap 20(SE)conjuncts my moon mercury and dsc. It is also conjunct its own nn . And also it conjuncts my draco vertex and his draco moon pluto and opposes his draco venus.

his pre natal LE Sun 9 Aqu 51 Opposition Moon 9 Leo 51 conjuncts my venus

my own pre natal SE and pre natal LE don't hit any of his planets though

how would you interpret synastry aspects involving those? how important do you think such points are?
I usually give a lot of importance to the nodes angles and chart rulers, how would these points compare?

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Lavender CrystalSwan
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Originally posted by mir:
Well, I had not checked his pre-natal SOLAR eclipse (only lunar as it was closest to birth) but now I look at his pre-natal SE;

- Sun 29 Can 04 Conjunct Moon 29 Can 04(SE)!

While MY pre-natal SE is;

- Sun 28 Can 55 Conjunct Moon 28 Can 55(SE)!

While the pre-natal of my first & longest love (we are STILL friends after 20 years) is;

- Sun 27 Can 24 Conjunct Moon 27 Can 24(SE)!


It's a bit too much of a coincidence if you ask me. Pfffft!


WOAH mir, that is very impressive!!!
Love it!

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Originally posted by ueharaa:

how would you interpret synastry aspects involving those? how important do you think such points are?
I usually give a lot of importance to the nodes angles and chart rulers, how would these points compare?

I feel they may be just as important as the angles/points.

To me, the eclipses seem to have a flavour of the nodal symbolism, combined with Vertex for that sense of fate/turning point/new change type of feel.

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Originally posted by Lioness:

My x husband and fishy both Jupiter conjunct my LE


There you go
Thats pretty significant!

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I find it interesting that apparently the recent ecclipse took place so close to my VSP, and actually our composite Uranus/MC-conjunction is conjunct it as well.

Oh and of course our composite Eros/Priapus/IC and Davison Venus is opposite my VSP.


For him composite SOMA is exactly conjunct his VSP which is on the same degree as his NN and opposite his Priapus - is it a coincidence, thta Soma pops up again? lol

composite VESTA is opposite this (and sits on his SN and Priapus obviously along with my BML lol)


Davison Pallas right on Davison 8th house cusp is conjunct his VSP by 2 degrees and actually it is trine the Davison Chiron. A lot of healing taking place through the third eye activation probably.

Pallas 3 Virgo
Black And White Children Play Together Happily

(this Davison Pallas is conjunct my natal Akasha by 0°06 :eek .


Oh I just see there is a Grand trine of Pallas (3 Virgo), Chiron (4 Taurus) and Eros (3 Capricorn) in the Davison. lol

And more than that Davison Chiron is conjunct his natal Vesta, Davison Eros is conjunct my natal Vesta.


Yes, its very intriguing how the VSP links to the Davisons/synastry charts as well!

my VSP:
~conjuncts D. Asc 3°
~conjuncts D. Soma 1° !!!
~oposses D. Aura 1°
~oposses D. Pholus 0°11 (LOL so does that mean my VSP gets exploded by our bond?? )

his VSP:
~squares Dav. Uranus 1°
~conjuncts Dav. Alma 2°
~conjuncts Dav. Poseidon 0°

Synastry-wise:

his VSP opposes my Asc/Vertex mp 2°
his VSP conjuncts my Mars/Neptune mp 0°
his VSP conjuncts my Saturn/NN mp 0°
his VSP conjuncts my Liebe 0°
his VSP conjuncts my Groom 3°
his VSP conjuncts my Compassion 0°
his VSP opposes my Nymphe 1°
his VSP oposses my Selene 2°

my VSP opposes his Moon/MC mp 1°
my VSP opposes his Mars/MC mp 0°
my VSP conjuncts his Saturn/Vertex mp 0°
my VSP conjuncts his Uranus/NN mp 2°
my VSP conjuncts his Neptune/Vertex mp 0°
my VSP conjuncts his Aura 0°

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posted November 11, 2013 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
I feel they may be just as important as the angles/points.

To me, the eclipses seem to have a flavour of the nodal symbolism, combined with Vertex for that sense of fate/turning point/new change type of feel.


I see i have searched this a bit but there isn't a lot of info on eclipses in natal and synastry chart. it seems to be highly related to karma and past incarnation (if you believe in them). i checked some more chart with people i consider important to me and they are always quite relevant. Too bad i can't find much info on how to interpret them

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"it seems to be highly related to karma and past incarnation (if you believe in them)"

Yes, I definitely agree with you.

I know, wish there were more interpretations for it too, specifically regarding synastry...

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posted November 12, 2013 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great thread with wonderful insight. I love it!

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posted March 15, 2016 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted March 15, 2016 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just in case not everybody knows:

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For those of you wondering if the marriage of Prince William and Kate Middleton is fated, defying all odds – it’s true! The remarkable birth of Prince William on a Solar Eclipse – meeting of the Sun and the Moon – on the Summer Solstice has dazzled many astrologers for years, as this reflects the “Solstice King” of the old myths of the UK. When studying the chart of Kate, lo and behold, she was born on the Lunar Eclipse just after the Winter Solstice in the same year as Wills!

As many of you who know the basics of astrology are aware, the Sun is the “King” and the Moon is his sacred feminine counterpart. For those of us north of the equator, the Winter Solstice is the darkest day of the year and feminine in nature. The Summer Solstice is the longest day of the year and masculine in nature. Eclipses are considered to be the windows or gateways through which we communicate with all that is beyond time and space.



http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=26146

Then Prince George was born on a supermoon.

Waiting for this thread to get transferred before I add personal data.

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posted March 15, 2016 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mir:

Btw, we both also have our Venus-star in Scorpio, 8 degrees apart. Me morning star, him evening star. .

Ha.. that's me and my current bf, only 4 deg apart.

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posted March 15, 2016 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Personally I wouldn`t look up the ecclipses after birth, unless the birth took place IMMEDIATELY (within a week) before the next ecclipse. Anyway...

Any particular reason for that, Ceri?

I'm finding interesting links with post-natal eclipses.

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