posted March 16, 2016 03:00 AM            

Alright, so most of us are familiar with the notion that the 12th house describes how we escape from worldly concerns so we can forget our problems for a while. It describes how we relax and recharge in our own private world, and how we fantasize and idealize about how we wish things were, rather then what is. Often we escape by going off on our own to get away from it all, but it’s also possible to get reprieve from our own concerns and problems by focusing on the needs of others. This is the facet of the 12th house is where charity, compassion, and selfless giving come into the picture. It’s as if by helping others we’re able to experience a kind of relief from whatever we might be preoccupied with.

When somebody puts planets in our 12th house It’s like they are able share in this private side of our selves. This can be quite lovely and sweet to allow somebody into your private world, and to share your dreams and ideals with them. Like you can go into a cocoon together. We often feel quite compassionate towards those who put planets in our 12th house, and feel a desire to help them and concern ourselves with their well being.

This is the good side of 12th house synastry.

But as we know the 12th house also has a reputation for deception and delusion. When the synastry with the 12th house is negative the other side of the 12th house can start playing out. The other side of the 12th house is that while we are off in our ‘own little world’ stuff happens out there all around us. Whether we are hidden away from the scene in our room, or just daydreaming at the time, the 12th house can describe those events that occur around us that we miss.

This is why people who put planets in our 12th house can also blindside us. While we are walking around following our own inner sense of what’s happening in our lives, there are details that we miss or are unaware of. People who put planets in our 12th house are often able to see our situation from a more objective distance. Many times they know about, or are involved in, those things that we have missed. They may be aware of how we are supported, or undermined, by others without our knowledge. They sense what’s up, and that we might not see it coming

People who put planets in our 12th house are often able to see where we are oblivious and vulnerable, and haven’t got the slightest clue as to what dangers or blessings (12th house secrets are not always bad) we could be in for. If the relationship is good, our 12th house partner will watch our backs, and try to protect us from the bad, while allowing the good to come. They may advise us on what to be careful of, and who to trust. If they are not truly a well wisher of ours, but a pretender or manipulator, they could do things behind our backs which set us up for trouble. Sometimes we get clues as to what’s happening that we don’t know about yet, but don’t actually recognize those clues for what they are until the full truth is eventually revealed.

The symbolism of our 12th house describes how we escape from the pressures of the world, and also what happens around us that we are unaware of until after the fact. How a person aspects our 12th house ruler, what planets they put in our 12th house, and how those planets are aspected, describes how others can participate our secret dreams, our escape from the mundane, and our capacity to rest and recharge away form the hustle and bustle of the world. These same factors also describe the ways in which that person could have insight into those circumstances we are yet unaware of, how we could be effected by these circumstances, and how they can protect us or mislead us depending on their intentions.

I once watched a Vedic astrology video where the 8th house was described as the private knowledge we have on ourselves and others, while the 12th house was described as the knowledge others have pertaining to us that we are unaware of (because we were off in our own little world at the time). I think this fits in a way. Eventually, with the 8th house in a close relationship we will reveal our observations to our partner. Whereas with the 12th house eventually the truth is revealed to us, and it may shatter our dreams, or confirm our ideals, depending on the synastry we have with the person influencing our 12th house.

I think a secret admirer analogy works well to explain the difference here. If we are the secret admirer we are operating from the 8th house. If we have a secret admirer, and we’re honestly not sure who they are, then we’re operating from the 12th house.

That being said, I think the 12th house does show a different aspect of our own secrets then the 8th, as well as those things others know about us that we are unaware of.

Our personal 8th house secrets are about our private knowledge on the balance of power that exists between people, and what influence is causing this. The 8th is basically our observations on social dynamics, and how we can pull strings in that arena. Our personal 12th house secrets are the private dreams and fantasies that we take refuge in, and what we do when we're all alone, and don't have to explain ourselves to anybody. So in a sense, the 12th house shows some of our own secrets, as well as secrets that are kept from us. The 8th house is double sided in this way too. In intimate relationships, we put our cards(secrets) on the table when we trust the other person, and they in turn put their cards(secrets) on the table when they trust us.

In the 8th house, though, we are usually more perceptive as to what is going on with the other person in the first place, and we'll suspect it if something is up. The 8th house psychoanalyzes. But in the 12th house, it's possible we'll be so caught up in our own dreams and ideals, that we're shocked when our partner reveals their cards, and the situation is not what we thought it was (With positive 12th house synastry, though, these cards may very well confirm our sentiments on how things should be, in an ideal world). The 8th house concerns itself with security in relationships and can be ruthless in it's self-honesty, while the 12th concerns itself with our 'dream vision' of how life should be, and can ignore that which doesn't fit this 'dream vision'. I think this is the true difference between the 8th and 12th houses in synastry. With the 12th house, there's more of a chance that our ideals can blind us to what really is. But there's also a chance that the person will support our 'dream vision' of life with what they reveal to us, giving us that warm sentimental feeling.

posted March 16, 2016 07:24 AM            

The main thing I have experienced about the 12th house (I have been on both sides) is that it creates

a sense of unparalleled intimacy

feeling and knowing the other without words or previous knowledge

closeness

great privacy of the diad

a bubble

a cocoon as you very well say

strong telepathic, dream, empathic, psychic currents, the strongest extrasensorial connections so far

synchronicities and unusual phenomena

protecting and caring

seeing and protecting the other's vulnerability

unconditional love/support

I suppose this means the people involved here were always well-intentioned, and/or perceptive, for I can imagine being exposed in this area to bad intentions mustn't feel too good.

On the other hand, I must say receiving planets in the 12th, at least the luminaries, actually makes it impossible to have secrets, to hide things from the luminary person, because the 12th house is completely exposed, and even "burnt" in their deepest most hidden corners.

I'll be back, but my current synastry has my Sun and Venus in his 12th (also my Mars conj his ASC (1). He is a Pisces, with DSC in Pisces, so this is his secondary 7th. My resonance with the 12th is that I have Sun and Venus in Virgo opp Jupiter in Pisces, Venus sq Neptune, Moon trine Neptune, Pisces Juno, NN conj Neptune, as the most important. My 12th is my secondary 2nd, and my IC is in Taurus (and my DSC in Cancer Leo). Neither of us has 12th house planets.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted March 16, 2016 07:44 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Great story, Mar! Yes, that's what I was trying to say; while secrets may be kept in a synastry with no 12th house interactions, they won't be, in a 12th house synastry. It's actually very significant for "purging" relationships, when things are being brought out, from the subconscious or past traumas or simply the real person behind the curtain, in a good sense, as if someone really sees you for the first time, and after this purging (the exposure) a new phase can begin. These relationships are very significant, turning points or culminations.

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Thank you!
Actually I have a question whenever you or Lotis White have the time!
Do you think this analysis applies to composites, too? I don't mean for the composite 12th house, I mean the comparison of composite with natal.
I have read that we can see where the composite planets fall in our natals and make some conclusions regarding how this relationship affects us. So, if the composite Sun falls in our natal 12th house, the negative tone would be i.e. the relationship is hidden/a secret, but the positive view would be that this relationship makes us feel exposed and might also heal past or even unconscious trauma? Or is this too far-fetched?

posted March 16, 2016 07:53 AM            

I suppose I can't really comment on the how different 12th house synastry is to 8th house synastry. In my relationship with my s.o, I have both. It's difficult to tell.

Our ascendants conjunct, so his 8th house planets (moon, venus, mars) is in my 8th house, his 12th house neptune is in my 12th house. My 12th house stellium (sun, venus, mercury, neptune, uranus) is in his 12th house.

So far there hasn't been anything that is too "real" for us to handle, and we've been through a fair bit together. I suppose me being saturn dominant, his being pluto dominant have s.t to do with it. He's not perfect, neither am I, but we fit well together. We have our highs and lows, but yeah we protect each other from our worst - there were lengthy discussions/talks about our demons and how we can control it/help each other control it. We weave dreams and build our own little eden, there has always been a vague feeling of wanting to "get away". He separates "our world" and "the outside world". I think that's one of the strongest 12th house effects that we feel.

posted March 16, 2016 10:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
As I said above amazing insights, and well I also want to remind that the 12th house is the house of "the rising sun".
When the Sun transits through the 12th house on a given day this is actually when the Sun rises (at the ASC) and then moves towards the MC. Anyway it means that it is in that house that there is light coming up (the 1st house actually is the house at the end of the night, where it is still dark).

I think this implies that others (if overlaying of course) see very distinctly that part of us, even if we dont ourselves. It`s not hidden from view or from others (though sometimes from ourselves, or so deeply embedded, that others are making us aware of what is going on there).

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LOL, this is amazing, thank you for putting into words and clear thoughts the unformed "sense" that I got just some minutes ago when I was looking at another synastry that I have found. In this synastry, there is a 12th house overlay of Suns DW!!! And I thought this word you wrote about "shedding light" (the Suns gave me that thought of course) in the 12th house!
And that is the feeling I got with this particular person, the "I see you" - "you see me" feeling, lol. Even the part of myself/yourself that me and you don't even recognize. Astrology is really amazing

posted March 16, 2016 10:31 AM            

My Jupiter-Ceres also falls into his 12th house, conjunct his Eros (and my name in his chart), opposing his Mars-Jupiter-conjunction)

He puts his Uranus in my 12th house conjunct the 12th house cusp (and trine my Eros in 8th house).
(his Odysseus-Valentine which is in my 11th house and 2 degrees before the 12th house cusp also conjuncts my Penelope - exact on my 12th house cusp - and my anteros - exact on his Valentine, and opposite my own Odysseus. I know obscure asteroids and all but just thought this was funny )

Oh speaking of asteroids my Juno is also in his 12th house as is our Psyche-Psyche-conjunction and my Lilith on his Priapus-SN, actually on the brink between Aquarius and Pisces)

posted March 16, 2016 10:33 AM            

I just wrote about Mr Sag and his exgirlfriend and her everything in his 12th house (except for Mars, that was conjunct my Mars. lol ) - while both singers, the only song they ever recorded for his solo cd together as a duet was "I see you" from "avatar".

posted March 16, 2016 03:38 PM            

I have strong 12th house synastry with someone from school at the moment. This man is very hard to figure out and I always keep myself guessing and getting messages from him telepathically that I don't even know if it's all REAL TO ME!!! Is this really true? Does he really feel the same?? Honestly the 12th house just honestly feels like a dream we wish but unfortnately it can turn into something totally the opposite of what we thought the whole time.

Anyways from my experience dealing with other people's planets in my 2nd,8th,12th it is usually the planet that feels the impact the most even though it is both sides but I feel the planet owner feels a duty to respond so strongly in my own house. First off, my bet friend always pays for me always lent me money whenever i was in crisis and she's a sun and Mars and Mercury in scorpio walks into my 2nd house, for some reason she always feels the need to PAY something for me...also other scorpios have seemed to finance me in some way as well such as my father rising in scorpio.

My first girlfriend developed romantic feelings for me and she always felt a need to be creative around me as she was a creative person herself to begin with her 5th house aquarius stellium walks into my 5th house in Aqua.

My 2nd girlfriend her venus im taurus falls into my 8th house she was very secretive and insecure about revealing herself to me sexually and financially but at the same time she was the one that wanted sex all the time in the end more then me and following my girlfriend now her jupiter and venus in the 8th house walks into my 8th house im exactly her type but wasnt that intimidated by me in fact her venus in taurus in the 8th house was completely drawn to my eyes and this mysteriousness I put on to her. I mean she was mysterious as well being the fact that her chart ruler is her 8th house venus in taurus herself.

posted March 16, 2016 05:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
LOL
Mar,

I just wrote about Mr Sag and his exgirlfriend and her everything in his 12th house (except for Mars, that was conjunct my Mars. lol ) - while both singers, the only song they ever recorded for his solo cd together as a duet was "I see you" from "avatar".

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posted March 17, 2016 12:31 AM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
This is interesting! The 12th house is difficult for me and I haven't quite understand its function.
I have a 12th house synastry with both my father and my brother.
My father's Sun and Moon fall in my 12th house. Yes, I can see how he has a view of my own private world, but I thought this might be my South Node on his Moon. Maybe it's both after all! He has of course protected me in the past from dangers, people with hidden motives, etc. He has played the role of a physiognomist a lot of times, too! He has a real talent at it, by even taking a look at a picture of a person, he is able to form an accurate -to the point- opinion about the person's character or even motives/behaviour towards me! I supposed that he has this talent anyway, but maybe it's the 12th house? I mean I haven't seen him helping someone else like this, I don't know..

As for my brother, this time is the other way around. I put 4 planets in his 12th house! And I have been struggling to get the meaning of it since the day I saw our synastry! My Jupiter, Mars, Pluto ans Saturn fall in his 12th house. We have become really close over the years, although we are born 12 years apart (he is younger)! The truth is now that I think about it, that 3 years ago, I discovered a serious secret that he had. I kept this secret although it gave me great pain and trauma. Our parents found about this eventually and there was a serious family drama, but I can't quite forget the feeling that I had before I discovered his secret. I felt like in a way he tried to tell me, unconsciously I mean. I didn't play the detective or something, there were little hints here and there and it was possible that I would find out sooner or later. I told him that back then. That his actions were like he unconsciously wanted the secret to be revealed. Is this fitting with the 12th house like you said?
Thank you for this analysis, Lotis White!

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posted March 17, 2016 12:44 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I have a 12th house synastry. And I always have a 12th synastry, in almost all my relationships, romantic or otherwise. I have a lot to say here, but not much time, I will come back.
Great article btw!
So far, with this rather extensive personal experience with this I should say haha and even as a Venus/Neptune sq, I must say I don't think the 12th house operates as a malefic house, or let's say, worse than other water houses. I am a heavy 8th houser (all personals except for the Moon), so we can discuss this by comparison as well.

The main thing I have experienced about the 12th house (I have been on both sides) is that it creates

a sense of unparalleled intimacy

feeling and knowing the other without words or previous knowledge

closeness

great privacy of the diad

a bubble

a cocoon as you very well say

strong telepathic, dream, empathic, psychic currents, the strongest extrasensorial connections so far

synchronicities and unusual phenomena

protecting and caring

seeing and protecting the other's vulnerability

unconditional love/support

I suppose this means the people involved here were always well-intentioned, and/or perceptive, for I can imagine being exposed in this area to bad intentions mustn't feel too good.

On the other hand, I must say receiving planets in the 12th, at least the luminaries, actually makes it impossible to have secrets, to hide things from the luminary person, because the 12th house is completely exposed, and even "burnt" in their deepest most hidden corners.

I'll be back, but my current synastry has my Sun and Venus in his 12th (also my Mars conj his ASC (1). He is a Pisces, with DSC in Pisces, so this is his secondary 7th. My resonance with the 12th is that I have Sun and Venus in Virgo opp Jupiter in Pisces, Venus sq Neptune, Moon trine Neptune, Pisces Juno, NN conj Neptune, as the most important. My 12th is my secondary 2nd, and my IC is in Taurus (and my DSC in Cancer Leo). Neither of us has 12th house planets.

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Thanks for the response LeeLoo,

It sounds like with your synastry you've really tapped into the 'bubble' aspect of the 12th house, where you go off into your own private world with your partner or friend.

posted March 17, 2016 12:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
As I said above amazing insights, and well I also want to remind that the 12th house is the house of "the rising sun".
When the Sun transits through the 12th house on a given day this is actually when the Sun rises (at the ASC) and then moves towards the MC. Anyway it means that it is in that house that there is light coming up (the 1st house actually is the house at the end of the night, where it is still dark).

I think this implies that others (if overlaying of course) see very distinctly that part of us, even if we dont ourselves. It`s not hidden from view or from others (though sometimes from ourselves, or so deeply embedded, that others are making us aware of what is going on there).

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Thanks for pointing this out Ceri,

This information adds further depth in explaining how it is that when others touch our 12th house they can see vulnerabilities and blind spots we didn't even realize we had. Sometimes they spot blessings and talents we didn't even realize we had also.

posted March 17, 2016 05:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Thanks for pointing this out Ceri,

This information adds further depth in explaining how it is that when others touch our 12th house they can see vulnerabilities and blind spots we didn't even realize we had. Sometimes they spot blessings and talents we didn't even realize we had also.

That's pretty wild about Mr Sag's ex having her Sun on your Moon. Does he have Uranus highlighted anywhere in his attraction pattern (to attract someone with all that Aqua)?

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Yes some.
Uranus in 8th, if that counts. Sextile Venus.

And A DW of ruler of (intercepted) 7th house in 11th house and 11th house ruler conjunct DESC and Vertex.

Interestingly our progressions were strongly tied to Uranus from the beginning, starting with his pVenus trine my Uranus, passing through my pVenus square his Uranus and then more recently his pSun square my Uranus. And now just very very recently with his pMoon having opposed my Uranus (my pMoon is applying to a square to his Uranus which will happen in about 3 months).

his pSun is just moving out of the square to my pUranus (still in orb) and now it is his pMC-IC-axis squared by my Uranus.
and my pMercury is still exactly squared by his pUranus and will remain that way for some more time to come, as it is preparing to go stationary and turn retro. Oh and of course his pMercury had been square my Uranus, too at some points. lol

As you can see Uranus, Uranus, Uranus, and we are taking turns.
I guess not a surprise with our composite ASC on 1 Aquarius (square my n uranus exact by the way, 1 minute orb or so) and the composite chart ruler Uranus conjunct MC.

As for my AQUA - Moon in his 12th house, well it`s been interesting, not just for the dreams and hunches I´ve had about him, which are more like an actual psychic communication than hunches anymore (or not communication, but like some corners of our minds are shared, even though it is hard to verbalize; I see the results of this frequently in his facebook presence when he will write something out of the blue to sort of confirm my hunch, usually within an hour or so, and sometimes an actual answer to a question I never even asked. Just random things really. )

Sometimes in the past it also was like he couldn´t look at me at certain moments, usually when he was pretending to be all hyper and cheerful, and everyone else was believing his act, just I was looking around me and thinking: "Can´t you really SEE the sadness and self-contempt in his eyes?"
I remember a concert some years ago when this was the case, he seemed so cheerful and jolly, making fun of himself, and all I could feel was a sharp cutting pain (not my own, more the compassionate kind) about how hurt he seemed, under this mask of humour (of course I also thought so because this is EXACTLY the way I mask it when I am really deeply hurt and have to socialize and not knowing how to deal).
I remember that during that concert he seemed to deliberately totally block me out. Not just because he did not recognize me, but for the first time I got the feeling as if I was "seeing too much", or as if he might have sensed it.
I did not know back then but during that time he must have gone through the final stage of the break-up with his ex-girlfriend and had to face some not so nice criticising of his way of being and well, his body (he was really chubby back then, and for a performer on stage that is even worse than for other people in a job).

He was continuously making fun of himself, putting himself down jokingly and well most famously I remember him assuring the audience that he was a really nice guy. lol
Every one else around me thought he was being just funny and cheerful, but my heart was bleeding for him that evening.
And that was even before we really started to acknowledge each other. lol

As for now, well, it`s a weird kind of communication we have, if it even is this. I would think I am delusional, if it hadn´t happened to reliable and consistently and continuously and if he hadnt started to REALLY underline it with gestures. lol

I think it REALLY started to become some kind of conscious somewhat-communication with that way he was looking at me during one concert in 2014, I never forget the lines he was singing: "The vision who was not quite real". And while I have experienced the typical performer-looks (where they do not really see you, you just happen to be there), THIS was an expression in his eyes, that sent me in deep shock, the way he was completely zooming in on me that moment, it felt like a confession, almost. Of course I thought I must have gotten that wrong, Neptunian that I am.
He directly after that song totally zoned out, too, in the middle of stage - and actually even 1,5 years later a friend of mine commented on that moment, as she had been at that concert too, memorizing how he looked as if he had been lost in his own world. Well he had been lost in his own world, sitting on stage, looking at me, while he was actually supposed to sing a chorus to a song, which he simply forgot to do.
That whole evening then spiraled that way into the "the lady`s driving me crazy" comment (the lady being me).

I wasn`t able to respond to that in any way, nor to him approaching me 2 months later, though I DID start to become more present on his official facebook (Moon in AQUA - how fitting! ).

I wasn`t even aware that he might have had expected some reaction, ANY reaction (instead of me pretending it didnt happen, I didn`t get it, refusing to believe any of this was real).

And I will never forget the moment either when he understood that my bizarre behaviour probably had NOTHING to do with me rejecting his behaviour or whatever, or being capricious, but just being insecure and shy (at least I wrote him that to his general invitation to the gathering he planned), and it seems to have served as enough of an explanation. Cause I saw him the night after that, just on a concert, and well it was just a look we shared, okay, a whole-stanza-long-one this time. lol
But point being I didn´t look away this time, which I usually do, cause I don´t know, I guess it is my avoidance-pattern or something like that, but when I didn´t, there was the sunniest smile on his face forming that I have ever seen. It was marvellous like watching the sun rise or something like that. Pardon my getting all corny. lol But it was a special moment to realize that maybe, possibly, probably he was smiling because of me.

But of course it is all very strange and bizarre, and I sort of like it.
LOL
you can`t even call it a communication, but what can you call it?

For example on the concert at the end of february, where he was refusing to switch off the light in the club once again, and well he was just performing a song, Valerie, in this instance. But the way he was emphasizing the "ginger" hair while looking at me (he had taken some time to watch my hair which I had just some days before dyed in a slight ginger tone outside the club) and and the way he was staring at me while singing this part of "Come on over. Stop making a fool out of me." Accompanied by a very determined "Come here" gesture of his hand into my direction, well it was just playing around in a song, but I had to laugh so much about it. Yeah, I heard the message.
But then again I didn´t ask him to stalk us outside the cafe and stare at me through the window before the concert started. I did not ask him either, to join us on the stairs, in the waiting line, to have terribly important chats with us just before he had to go on stage. I did not ask him to follow me inside the club either after I had taken a slight pause out there (I only noticed he had been outside though WHEN he came in directly after me again). I did not ask him to be just in the general proximity either whenever I was talking to some of the nice other gentlemen there.

Nah, of course this is more or less just coincidental, but still it was a little hilarious.
No, you can`t call it communication, I guess, but it is fun. And I guess pretty Neptunian/Uranian in nature.