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Topic: Researching the East/West Points in Synastry
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yungang_grotto
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posted April 02, 2016 11:37 AM
  
Nyctea!You definitely have a playful way with words!!  A stupid fetus... oh man... Thank you for sharing, by the way. I sort of intuited that it was a loaded question for you, re sexual expression; your answer was perfect though, and honest--thank you. It's very interesting to note the concurrence of Saturn in the 8th with those other aspects. As you take on the role of Saturn more and more in your own life and become more responsible, your Dad will likely become less and less of an influence coming from the outside. This is how it seems to work. That which you're not taking on will come from elsewhere, you know? But when you integrate it you don't have as much need for the pressure from outside.. I'm working with this subject right now personally... I like little detours in threads, that's where a lot of the magic happens! Saturn conjunct Uranus here...!  Thank you for sharing re: your significant romantic synastry and the Sun-West Point conjunction. One more for the books  IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted April 02, 2016 11:40 AM
I wonder where Anaïs Nin's Saturn is at... and Nymphe... and Eros and her 8th house. Ceridwen, Yeah... those Draconic charts sure do fill in some gaps don't they! Really lovely unsurprising! Yet amazing. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted April 02, 2016 12:25 PM
Arrgh... glitching thread... lost some posts there, sorry folks...My daughter and myself, meridian house system synastry... her on the inside (wowee):  Now in keeping with my initial request that we say a bit about the nature of the relationships in question, I will say that she and I share an unusually large amount of time together and are very close. Beyond the fact that she is my biological daughter she's also my only child and I a single parent. We are very much entwined and homeschooling/freeschooling. I think the conjunct axis here really speak to the unity of our shared experiences. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted April 02, 2016 12:51 PM
One of my closest friends with whom my daughter and I lived when she was 1 and her daughter was also 1.. Our Asc/Desc axis are reversed. Also, her West Point is conjunct my Venus... (edit: to be fair her Jupiter is also conjunct my Venus, more widely though). She is one of my staunchest supporters, really values my individuality. She once said "what man wouldn't find you absolutely irresistible?!" (Plenty ) ... she said something to that effect though. "You're the complete package!" She said. Lol. That was years ago and the affection and support have not waned. We have had a few bad fights, before I moved out. But that just makes us closer ultimately as we moved through it... lots of love and understanding and solid support. Her Asc is in Taurus--she is very Taurean--but her EP is in Aries and she has that about her too. Indomitable in more ways than one! I actually can't say enough good about her either. So much admiration and liking. I see her struggles and flaws too of course... but the support and understanding just gets stronger. IP: Logged |
llewsacm
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posted April 02, 2016 01:01 PM
Hi yungang,
I'll add my aspects to my most binding relationships...My boyfriend's WP is conjunct my venus. His EP is conjunct my vertex. My WP is conjunct his neptune. For my oldest daughter...my WP is conjunct her sun. Her WP is conjunct my IC. Second oldest daughter...her EP is conjunct my IC. Which means my two daughters have their EP/WP axis flipped and conjunct one another. For my son...my WP is conjunct his vertex. Good thread yungang! IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted April 02, 2016 01:15 PM
Thanks so much llewsacm. It's so cool to see this axis in play. It's like astrology X-mas, learning about something new which has this much meat to it! IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted April 02, 2016 01:43 PM
It's interesting that there are more connections with this axis with your eldest daughter... or rather that your Sun itself is conjunct her West Point... overall you maybe spent more time with her, given she was an only child for a time, and thereafter your attention was split up? I'm not trying to create a hierarchy of your children by any means... Just trying to understand how it works as well as possible...It's so interesting to see this recurring theme with significant EQA activation in sibling relationships! My little sister's ascendant is conjunct my East Point. We were really really close growing up; definitely a version of personal paradise, playing make believe with her Also just noticed my Psyche conjunct her Eros--bizarre! Makes sense that siblings would be soulmates of a sort for sure... the erotic here would obviously be overshadowed/replaced by the purely loving part of Eros. Still passionate but in a platonic way. Her Psyche is also opposite her Eros and my Psyche. That makes a lot of sense. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted April 02, 2016 02:30 PM
My name asteroid in my father's chart is conjunct my West Point. Well, there are like 10 name asteroids for me ... but that's the one that's near my ascendant in my own chart and the one with the fewest additional letters after my name...small potatoes IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted April 02, 2016 02:42 PM
Our synastry  [/URL] Davison  [/URL]
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Vixen
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posted April 02, 2016 03:03 PM
Adonis and asteroid with my name in chart of my Taurean crush is on my EP
And yes, I think he's pretty damn handsome!IP: Logged |
llewsacm
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posted April 02, 2016 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
It's interesting that there are more connections with this axis with your eldest daughter... or rather that your Sun itself is conjunct her West Point... overall you maybe spent more time with her, given she was an only child for a time, and thereafter your attention was split up? I'm not trying to create a hierarchy of your children by any means... Just trying to understand how it works as well as possible...It's so interesting to see this recurring theme with significant EQA activation in sibling relationships!
Yes I know! Her sun is actually conjunct my WP tho. Maybe it was representative of my life changing and starting a family. My daughters really have an amazing synastry together, so I wasn't surprised to find the EP/WP connections in their charts. They both have their ASC conjunct the others' vertex. Something else I found fascinating early on was that they each have one another's moon in the other's sun sign. so my oldest daughter is a Sag with a Taurus moon, and the younger one is a Taurus with a Sag moon. LOL!
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yungang_grotto
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posted April 02, 2016 04:45 PM
^^^ Awwe so lovely, their complementarity. I bet they're both awesome... what cool placements they've got. And so lucky to have each other IP: Logged |
Lerena
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posted April 02, 2016 05:32 PM
My boyfriend's East Point is in Capricorn, the sign of my North Node. My East Point is in Sagittarius, the sign of his North Node. His North Node conjuncts my East Point.This is all I found. IP: Logged |
Nyctea
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posted April 03, 2016 11:35 AM
@mar1982deltaHahah I love Mercury in synastry so much(mostly Mercury-Venus) but unfortunately it's so underrated  IC connections are super cool it's like Moon connections... when the person touches your deepest feelings. I like it depending on the person  --- @yungang_grotto
OMG It's ok, there's such cool people on this website, i feel comfortable talking about some 'life experiences'  Yeah Saturn is difficult but being nervous about it won't help, he's the 'lord of time/karma' after all. Thank you for being so nice yay IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted July 29, 2016 11:28 AM
I'm hungry for more! Wanting to know about how the EP is operating in the Davison charts of loving couples and people who are significant in one another's lives... Whoever takes the time to post a Davison or make note of interesting factors gets a real pretend cookie! IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted July 29, 2016 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I was just playing around with Solar Fire - for some reason I SUDDENLY felt the urge to check fixed stars and arabic parts in the composite  No clue where that came from, but while doing so, I noticed in our composite
WP 16°03 Leo (7th house)
Part of Marriage 16°31 Leo
Whoa! quote:
Sabian: A Volunteer Church Choir Singing Religious Hymns
In the Davison chart
WP 13°52 Leo (also 7th house but interc.)
Saturn 13°47 Leo Saturn rules the Capricorn-ASC Sabvian: A Human Soul Seeking Opportunities For Outward Manifestation
Truly fascinating. This is what I'm looking for right now... those angle conjunctions we might have missed through not looking at the Meridian system with the Davison chart.. and how telling or descriptive they might be. In your case Saturn here seems to speak to the long standing nature of the connection, it's development over time and it's relative Practicality and stability, as well as the pressure from outside sources and others to relate in a particular way, according to the rules... quote:
I also noticed that in Davison PART OF BONDAGE falls onto the ASC on 13°39 Capricorn, I mean PRECISELY to the minute!!!
(KARMA on 14°55 Cap)
Almost a reiteration of Saturn on the WP, energetically! quote:
Interestingly his name in my chart is on 13°50 Capricorn
That's my draco Sun/Moon mp, 13'50 Cap pretty sure to the minute. quote:
Sabian: An Ancient Bas-Relief Carved In Granite Remains A Witness To A Long-Forgotten Culture
BTW It puts the ASC-Karma in Davison pretty close to the fixed star VEGA at 15°00 Cap
(I am using 1°30 with fixed stars, and Vega is a biggie, actually one of the few really sparkly nice ones of the fixed stars ).
Naturally it also means that our Davison DESC is conjunct SIRIUS (13°45 Cancer) and CANOPUS (14°37 Cancer).
I really want to get a copy of Bernadette Brady*s Fixed Stars book... anything else you would recommend in this vein, Ceridwen? I'm still learning but they're fascinating. Sometimes they depress me but that's just part of learning lol...
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yungang_grotto
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posted July 29, 2016 11:43 AM
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Interesting that some astrologers (for example, those who use the Meridian
house system) employ the East Point in place of the Ascendant.... the East
Point is the way one is known for conducting oneself in public, while the
Ascendant is the way one interacts with others in more personal situations
(symbolically, specific to one's birthplace). This would imply that only
people who know us well could validate the pictures and aspects to the AS
while those who know us only in public situations would validate the
pictures and aspects to the EP."
This is very interesting. D for instance has Asc in Gemini, but a Taurus EP... you really have to get to know him.to see the Gemini expressing itself, because he's carefully Taurean all the way until be gets comfortable and the Gemini charm and versatility have a chance to come out and play. Sometimes that happens really quickly and he will very much ham it up Gemini fashion when on stage or with friends, but still overall I can see how the Taurus presents itself a lot of the time much more than the Gem. Very interesting!
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yungang_grotto
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posted July 29, 2016 01:12 PM
I love seeing these charts with EP/WP, MC/IC all hitting one another... seems very congruent with deep identification with the other.I'm excited by our Davison Venus tightly conjunct the Davison West Point and reading Rob Hand's description of Venus conjunct descendant in composite for reference, it seems like it could be a particularly positive indicator IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted August 11, 2016 08:58 AM
I am just reading the book on solar returns by James Eshelman, and he treats the East/West Points almost as important as the major angles. I think he calls them auxiliary angles (East points comparable to ASC, west point to DESC). He also uses the Zenith/Nadir (exact square to the horizon). Which I find interesting, as with a different explanation/ reasoning, I have started to observe and treat those as quite important ppoints as well. (I guess it is not a coincidence that the man who was being very instrumental in my development in my teenage years, and whom I was quite compulsively drawn to, has his Pluto EXACTLY on my Zenith.which made his Pluto foreground in relation to my chart. in my own chart I have Mars-Neptune-NN on the ASC, so foreground as well, and Venus is on the EP, so also foreground. It`s possibly no coincidence that I felt this man`s Pluto square my nodal axis plus Mars and Neptune and ASC; as well as trine my Venus VERY strongly. MOre strongly than other Plutos, which were not as exactly aligned with my auxilary angles. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted August 11, 2016 10:19 AM
Does anyone know what this might mean in my natal chart? Karma libra@5.49
AC libra@7.05
East Point libra@9.23
Pluto libra@11.05 ---
His Psyche is conjunct my East point
My Psyche is conjunct his West point
His Saturn is on my Westpoint
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His East Point sqaures my Moon and Sextiles my Venus both 0-1 degree.
His East Point is on my Part of Fortune and Trines my Vertex both by 1 degree. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted August 11, 2016 10:38 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Oh, juicy tidbit. We BOTH have NYMPHE conjunct our own natal EP.
"#875 asteroid Nymph takes 1.5 years to orbit the Sun and represents a deep love of the natural world...among other things.
The dictionary defines nymph as this: A nymph (Greek: νύμφη, nymphē in Greek mythology and in Latin mythology is a minor female nature deity typically associated with a particular location or landform.
Nymphs were a lot like the local Goddess. Known for being diminutive in size and beautiful in appearance, these entities were much like the fairies of today. Much talk in mythology is of the sexiness of the woodland nymph. These lithe females were not ashamed to indulge in their senses. The word "Nymphomaniac" comes from the image and stories of these slight deities.
Nymphe shows up in several ways in the birth chart. In aspect to the ascendant or Sun, this asteroid can create a sexuality that can be SEEN.
Nymph in aspect to mars is known to greatly increase the sex drive.
Nymph on the midheaven is about being openly comfortable with ones sexuality and possibly being known for it. Many porn stars have Eros and/or Nymph aspecting the midheaven.
Nymph on the I.C. is about a very personal sexuality that longs to be shared with a woman who has a strong maternal way. Many men who crave a maternal figure have this aspect. Women with Nymph on the I.C. tend to hold their sexuality very personally and close to the vest.
Nymph in aspect to Venus increases femininity in women and aesthetic appreciation in men.
Nymph in aspect to the Moon is known for creating a love of nature and the solitude of woodland places. You are restored by nature. Many natural gardeners have Nymph in aspect to the Moon.
Nymph in aspect to Chiron is sexual healing or wounding, depends on the aspect.
Not much research has been done on Nymph in aspect to the outer planets.
Nymph in synastry is a fun one to find! This asteroid increases sexual attraction and appetite."
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=435582839855595&story_fbid=768509083229634
I looked up our Nymph in synastry, his Nymph is on his NN conjunct his Karma and my Chiron/Anteros My aries Nymph is on my Lilith and in grand trine with my saggy Sun/Merc and leo Saturn. His AC/Merc fall exact on my Sun/Merc. Our Comp Nymph falls our Mars and my natal Jupiter
Very interesting! Thank you for sharing...
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Ceridwen
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posted August 11, 2016 10:47 AM
Yeah, Nymph intrigues me! I have her on my Vesta as well, plus on the Aries point and my Sun/Venus-mp and Mercury/Venus-mp (and we met when Pluto was transiting there, actually we met under a transiting Moon-Pluto conjunction on 0-1 Cap, falling on all of this in my chart. lol)IP: Logged |
Sunnya
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posted August 11, 2016 11:27 AM
Hi yunHere´s my little contribution for your research. The blank space is my name asteroid (I erased it). I am red, he is blue in the synastry chart. Cupido is the asteroid one (763). EDIT. If you have any observations or questions and I can clarify, I am happy to help.
@Ceri Sorry I did not reply to your email, it has been a very busy time. But all is well sweetheart, thank you.
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yungang_grotto
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posted August 11, 2016 03:08 PM
DP type thing here.  IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted August 11, 2016 03:29 PM
Thank you for sharing those charts, Sunnya! Very interesting to see.Ceridwen... Eshelman sounds fascinating. I've been working with meridian houses a bit these past few months, quite a bit and yes have found this axis to be extremely significant. I'm just blown away by my daughter and mine... her east point is conjunct her moon and my imum coeli, and her midheaven is conjunct my ep... and then D's are on top of that, but a flipped mc/ic, compared to mine, and the opposite of my equatorial axis orientation. It makes sense that we find ourselves parental figures. Our charts are activated at these points by composite planets and my own chart ruler, as well as, importantly, her moon... On another note thou, when working with the exact square to the horizon, is Eshelman using the equatorial axis or the ascendant? There is a name for the point exactly square the ascendant, err... it's a funny name?.. which I forget but which I've dabbled with and found to be quite telling also... Thanks for sharing your findings, I knew there must be people out there who swear by this axis because it's so revealing... IP: Logged |
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