posted April 17, 2016 01:36 AM            

But what does it actually mean? If it were true literally, all women would be looking to date their Sun sign, or even guys with the same birthday for Sun conjunct Sun. But that's rarely what we see.

So what does a woman's Sun and Mars want? Her Sun or Mars touching his Moon or Venus? Asc? How about Decendant? Are trines good enough or do we need conjunctions?

We can't all be Venus/Pluto DW. I'd have to wait another 100 or so years till Pluto entered Cancer again to pull that draw.

posted April 17, 2016 03:39 AM            

His Sun is too far to conjunct my Sun-Mars-Pluto. However, his Sun-Venus-Pluto falls in my 8H

posted April 17, 2016 04:48 AM            

Sun and Mars - Masculine
Moon and Venus - Feminine

Mercury - Both

posted April 17, 2016 06:35 AM            

I've found that the 5th (Romantic sparks), 7th (Partnership and affection), and 8th houses (intimacy), in the natal chart are better at showing the actual signs we're attracted to.

Using myself as an example, I've got Mars in Leo (the male lion has a fine mane) and I've always had a thing for guys with slightly over grown hair, sort of just above shoulder length. Shaven heads and crew cuts are not my thing at all. The same guy is always more attactive to me with sligthly longish hair versus a crew cut. I've also always been really attracted to outgoing types, someone who can handle being center of attention. My Mars in Leo seems to describe some of the physical and character traits that I'm drawn to.

However, if you go by sign, I'm much more attracted to the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses. I've got Jupiter in the 7th house, Gemini Dsc ruled by Mercury in Sagittarius, and I'm really attracted to Sag energy. Aries is on my 5th house cusp and I'm very attracted to that sign too. Sign wise, I'm much more likely to go for Sag, Aries, and Gem, then Leo. A Leo planet or two certainly wouldn't turn me off though. My 8th house ruler in the 8th house in Cancer attracts me to Cancer and Scorpio energy too. I quite like a Moon in Cancer or Scorpio on a guy.

It's worth mentioning that the gender planets represent different aspects of masculine and feminine. The Sun is a father/husband/king archetype and shows that sort of guy you look up to and respect. The sort of guy you admire. The Moon is the mother/wife/queen archetype and shows the sort women you trust to support and nurture you, as well as the vulnerable emotional one you'd want to protect. The Sun and Moon seem to show more mature phases of masculinity and femininity. They are like a husband/wife or mother/father team.

Mars and Venus though, are the young lovers. Venus is the beautiful young maiden, and Mars is the hot and dashing young man. These planets describe more about what turns you on in romance and courtship.

There's also something called the secondary house of Mars or Venus. This is something I've personally observed over the years. If a guy has Venus in Gemini, that means he likes Gemini/Mercury energy on a women, and it also means he's attracted to his 3rd house because these women bring him the communication he enjoys from the feminine sex. This would be so even if a sign like Pisces were on the 3rd. In a similar fashion, if a women has Mars in Capricorn she'd then also be attracted to her 10th house, even if she had a sign like Gemini on the 10th. This is because a guy filling up her 10th house would still give her that feeling of 'authority' that she likes. The 3rd and 10th houses respectively, would also be good at describing more details about image each has in their mind of the ideal man or women. They tell more traits and characteristics that we like in terms of gender related behavior.

I've previously done an entire thread on this topic. Here's an excerpt.

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Okay so I’ve been giving this a lot of thought and I think I’ve noticed another ‘pattern’ with regard to how to determine what traits a person’s ideal man or women would have using house cusps… now, this is not exactly the same as one’s romantic type… which I see as being connected to a person’s primary and secondary 5th, 7th, and 8th houses (as well as aspects to the vertex axis, and to some extent what is shown by the asteroids Juno, Eros, and Psyche)… but rather it refers to our unconscious perceptions of how the ideal man or woman is supposed to behave….

It relates back to our natal positions of Venus and Mars…

The Sun and the Moon seem to refer to the Masculine and Feminine archetypes in their entirety… like the full spectrum… where as Venus and Mars seem to refer to specifically the notion of a man or a women as a love interest…

Venus is the beautiful sweet young maiden, and Mars is the aggressive heroic young Man…

Here’s what I’ve noticed… the Sign of Venus or Mars seems to relate to a particular house cusp... this house supplies more information about what our views on the ideal man or women are in courtship type situations…

Anyway to summarize…

THEORY: That the condition of our natal Mars and Venus refers to our Primary Masculine and Feminine Ideals… especially in a courtship sense…, and that the house symbolically connected to our Mars and Venus signs shows more information about these ideals… thus the house symbolically connected to our Mars and Venus signs shows our Secondary Masculine and Feminine Ideals…

FINDING OUR SECONDARY FEMINIE IDEALS FOR VENUS IN…

Aries… look at the condition of your natal 1st house
Taurus… look at the condition of your natal 2nd house
Gemini… look at the condition of your natal 3rd house
Cancer… look at the condition of your natal house
Leo… look at the condition of your natal 5th house
Virgo… look at the condition of your natal 6th house
Libra… look at the condition of your natal 7th house
Scorpio… look at the condition of your natal 8th house
Sagittarius… look at the condition of your natal 9th house
Capricorn… look at the condition of your natal 10th house
Aquarius… look at the condition of your natal 11th house
Pisces…. look at the condition of your natal 12th house

When you look at the natal house connected to your Venus sign, it gives extra information about the traits you admire in women, especially in courtship situations, then Venus by sign and house alone can give. For a man it may show more about the type of women that he wants, and for a women it may show more about the type of women she that aspires to be….

FINDING OUR SECONDARY MASCULINE IDEALS FOR MARS IN…

Aries… look at the condition of your natal 1st house
Taurus… look at the condition of your natal 2nd house
Gemini… look at the condition of your natal 3rd house
Cancer… look at the condition of your natal house
Leo… look at the condition of your natal 5th house
Virgo… look at the condition of your natal 6th house
Libra… look at the condition of your natal 7th house
Scorpio… look at the condition of your natal 8th house
Sagittarius… look at the condition of your natal 9th house
Capricorn… look at the condition of your natal 10th house
Aquarius… look at the condition of your natal 11th house
Pisces…. look at the condition of your natal 12th house

When you look at the natal house connected to your Mars sign, it gives extra information about the traits you admire in men, especially in courtship situations, then Mars by sign and house alone can give. For a women it may show more about the type of man that she wants, and for a men it may show more about the type of man he that aspires to be….

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posted April 17, 2016 08:28 AM            

Yes, you have to look at your Sun and Mars to see what kind of man you are attracted to.
There are few things to consider.

Suppose you have a Capricorn Sun and a Pisces Mars.
One possibility is that your partner has the reverse placements - Capricorn Mars and Pisces Sun, that is. They don't have to conjunct your planets, the same sign is enough.

He could have his Ascendant in Capricorn and Mars in twelfth house, for example.

posted April 17, 2016 08:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
As for myself - all my partners either had Aqua Venus or Aqua Moon (and my daughter has Aqua Moon conj. Uranus, too). But I have zero Aqua in the chart. Nevertheless I'm often described by friends/partners in Aquarian terms (spacy, aloof, eccentric, and also some of the positive Aqua stereotypes). So I take it that the sum total of my chart influences somehow combines to give me an Aquarian overall feel for some unknown reason, which other people react to.

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Do you have any of these:

posted April 17, 2016 10:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
So, women look for men like their Sun and Mars. Guys look for their Moon and Venus in a woman. At least, so "they" say...

But what does it actually mean? If it were true literally, all women would be looking to date their Sun sign, or even guys with the same birthday for Sun conjunct Sun. But that's rarely what we see.

So what does a woman's Sun and Mars want? Her Sun or Mars touching his Moon or Venus? Asc? How about Decendant? Are trines good enough or do we need conjunctions?

We can't all be Venus/Pluto DW. I'd have to wait another 100 or so years till Pluto entered Cancer again to pull that draw.

Specifically, when we say a woman wants her Sun and Mars, what does a woman's Sun and Mars want?

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it think this come from old school when roles between men and women were so separated that each one projected their feminine planets into the woman and masculine planets into the man. nowadays this is not so clearcut. a woman in the past developed her solar purpose through projecting it into the man of her life (father, husband), but this is not the case anymore. I dont buy that women fall for men of their sun-mars or men for women of the venus-moon sign... unless they do project too much of these planets...

in my example i have sun-mars-venus stellium in cancer near the 3rd house. i have never never been attracted to a man with mars in cnacer. two times i tried when i met them online and one in person "no chemistry at all" weird, isnt it? my venus conjunct his mars in both cases and i felt no attraction...

instead, neptunian men (piscis moon, piscis venus, piscis AC and combined aspect of neptune to his personal planets) are just enough to get me crazy.. i have neptune in 7th...

my 4house is in Leo.. and I am always attracted to Leo mars. I have no planets in leo. it may be my moon in Gemini sextile the mars and the fact that is the depositor of my mars-sun? or the fact that the 4th house has the symbolism of cancer? that may be a way to look at it.

then the point would be to look at the moon-venus and sun-mars from multiple perspectives. for instance, my venus conjunct mars-sun and I am always feel attracted to men who are gentle and very venusian (libra, piscis types rather than taurus)

I am also very much attracted to uranian types or men who needs lot of space. my uranus in 5th square my moon, depositor of sun-mars..

posted April 17, 2016 10:50 AM            

This is curious, haha.
There is also the thing with Kim Kardashian.
Somehow many of her guys have a Venus-Mars conjunction: Reggie Bush, Kris Humphries, Kanye West.
But she doesn't meet any of the criteria either that I have mentioned except that her Mars conjuncts her Asc from H12 and it is wide, the orb is 7.

posted April 17, 2016 11:06 AM            

You have Neptune in your H7, this explains to some extent why you are attracted to men with Piscean placements.

But you also have to look at the hard aspects your Sun and Mars make as well as the hard aspects your Dsc ruler makes (Pluto?).

posted April 17, 2016 02:30 PM            

Love Libra Moon and Leo Venus. Leo is fave sunsign. So her Moon in my 3H, Venus in my 1H conj my Mars, Sun in my 12H conj my Pluto or 1H conj my ASC.

1st wife (7 yrs) Libra Moon (in my 3H), 10H Cap Mars near her MC, and in my late 5H, 8H Sag Sun--Venus in my late 4H, and trine my Pluto-Saturn-Mars Leo rising stellium.

Fits Theory: her Moon in my 3H (my Gem Venus), her Sun in my 4H (my Gem/Can cusp Moon), her 10H Cap Mars (my Saturn-Mars conj).

THEORY: That the condition of our natal Mars and Venus refers to our Primary Masculine and Feminine Ideals… especially in a courtship sense…, and that the house symbolically connected to our Mars and Venus signs shows more information about these ideals… thus the house symbolically connected to our Mars and Venus signs shows our Secondary Masculine and Feminine Ideals…

posted April 17, 2016 04:39 PM            

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Originally posted by HelixID:
@nordicsoul

You have Neptune in your H7, this explains to some extent why you are attracted to men with Piscean placements.

But you also have to look at the hard aspects your Sun and Mars make as well as the hard aspects your Dsc ruler makes (Pluto?).

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my mars-sun aspects jupiter (sextile wide orb) and conjunct venus (all in cancer)

my pluto square moon-mercury and it is in 5th. i tend to own more my plutonian energy and project less in others, so i dont attract too much the plutonians as i do with neptunians..uranus also in 5th conjunct pluto sqaure my moon-mercury.. i attract a combination of uranian-neptunian with some venusian-libra placement

posted April 17, 2016 10:22 PM            

It's not that I don't find ladies with other signs attractive... Virgo, Pisces, Taurus, heck, Aries has the whole warrior princess thing and my Aries is empty.

It seems though, for anything to "click", there has to be a connection to my Moon, Venus, or Mercury. But how much is the old axim, and how much geometry? My Moon is 10th house and the focus of a T square with Neptune and Jupiter. My Venus is in a grand trine with Saturn and my Asc, and conjunct the NN. My Mercury is the focus of a T square with Uranus and Saturn (and with a 4° orb, Pluto), conjunct my Vertex, Sun sign ruler, and final depositor. Whew! Anything touching those three planets are going to get a lot more of a kick than mearly placing a planet in a house.

So, what I'm getting at... when I look at the chart of someone I might be interested in, I can usually see what in her chart would catch my eye. But what in mine would catch hers? The only two planets without major aspects in my chart are Sun and Mars. Strictly speaking, both are unaspected, though my Sun is parallel Venus. My Taurus Mars and Jupiter and Decendant might as well be in Antarctica as far as Taurus women are concerned, and the ladies with Gemini Sun usually are either responding to my Mercury, or have Cancer placements. The greatest success I've had as far as I can tell, is with ladies having Mars in Leo, or something in Sag that likes my Moon in Leo or hits my aVx.

posted April 17, 2016 11:01 PM            

Is it possible that, given the strength of the aspects involved, that aspects trump houses in this case? Or maybe it does work but the forest is hidden by all those trees in my case...

5th house, Pisces on the cusp, only placement is Chiron. Ruled by Neptune Rx Scorpio/1st

7th house, Taurus, placements Jupiter and Mars, ruled by Venus Rx Cancer 9th.

8th house, Taurus on the cusp again, placements Sun and Mercury in Gemini, ruled again by Venus Rx Cancer 9th

posted April 18, 2016 01:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
My Sun conjuncts Mars in Scorpio 8H
And yes, the man I've been "in love" with for years is a Scorpio.

His Sun is too far to conjunct my Sun-Mars-Pluto. However, his Sun-Venus-Pluto falls in my 8H

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I have Sun in Virgo and Mars in Leo and have never fallen in love with a virgo or leo...

If we are going to talk about falling in love like in the deep romantic sense of the word OR deep true love it appears I like Aquarian suns or mars, my ex has sun conjunct uranus and my ex lover is an aquarius, my first boyfriend was an Aquarius too and I thought I was so in love with him and wanted to marry him. My husband himself has Mars conjunct Uranus right on his DC and Uranus conjuncts exact my chart ruler Jupiter.

But all the guys I mentioned also have Scorpio influence. My Ex has Sun conjunct Uranus in Scorpio, Husband has Mars conjunct Uranus in Scorpio. First boyfriend was an aquarius with moon in scorpio and my ex lover is an aquarius sun square pluto.

However if you look deeper you see my husband's sun falls in the 6th and conjuncts his Saturn and I have sun in virgo in the 10th lol. My ex has Sun conjunct uranus in the 3rd house with virgo rising and my ex lover has mars in the 3rd house so mercury ruling my sun and my 7th house definitely factors in but that consistency with uranus and pluto been involved in the sun or mars of guys I get involved with is very intriguing.

posted April 18, 2016 05:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
@Lotis White

Is it possible that, given the strength of the aspects involved, that aspects trump houses in this case? Or maybe it does work but the forest is hidden by all those trees in my case...

5th house, Pisces on the cusp, only placement is Chiron. Ruled by Neptune Rx Scorpio/1st

7th house, Taurus, placements Jupiter and Mars, ruled by Venus Rx Cancer 9th.

8th house, Taurus on the cusp again, placements Sun and Mercury in Gemini, ruled again by Venus Rx Cancer 9th

But none of this explains Leo or Capricorn...

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Your Dsc is Taurus, so that means the 2nd house (Taurus traditonally rules the second house) can show partner details as well.

Also, do you have Saturn or the Sun strongly aspecting any of your house rulers. There was a lady on on this site a while back who had Saturn square her 7th house ruler, and she was married to a Cap.

posted April 18, 2016 07:39 AM            

Okay, Sun in the 8th definitely has a Leo vibe for in terms of 8th house attractions. Especially if you combine this with a Leo Moon because the Leo Moon already inherently gives an affinity for Leo-ish females.

Another thing that stands out to me, is that your 7th house ruler is Venus, and you have a Venus trine Saturn aspect. The tighter the aspect, the stronger the 7th house pull will be to Cappy types. Also, both the Moon and Venus in your chart have a bit of a Cappy vibe. Venus is trine Saturn, and Moon is in the 10th house. Again this gives an affinity towards Cappy influenced females.

Without connections to the 7th and 8th houses these influences on the Moon and Venus may have just served as objective descriptions of attractive female characteristics to your mind. Seeing as they are connected with your relationship houses though, this pulls the actual signs themselves into the relationship arena for you.

It's like the gender planets show an objective description of our type, while the relationship houses magnetize certain signs into our lives. The 7th house ruler trine Saturn and Sun in the 8th are what's pulling the actual signs of Leo and Cappy into your life. The influences of Moon and Venus are simply reinforcing and enhancing this tendency for you.

Also... Your 7th house ruler is Venus, and interestingly enough, Venus happens to be ruled by your Moon in Leo in the 10th house. Your Moon is influencing your Venus taste by rulership, while Venus in turn rules your 7th house. Your Moon injects some Leo/Cappy into your Venus/7th house ruler. It all kind of adds up together.

posted April 18, 2016 11:26 AM            

I've spent most of my romantic life with Leo suns with Virgo planets.

Virgo matches the formula: my 6H sun and Mercury-ruled Mars both like Virgo.

But Leo is the prominent sign. How do we get Leo from my sun and Mars?

posted April 18, 2016 11:53 AM            

Faith,

it`s not complicated in your case.

Dispositor of Sun AND DESC in Leo. Case solved.

posted April 18, 2016 11:59 AM            

But I see what you mean.

posted April 18, 2016 12:09 PM            

I get it now.

posted April 18, 2016 12:57 PM            

Aspects>>>placements

(and perhaps a corollary aspects>>>placements>rulers)

But my chart is so aspect heavy that it's only natural I'd feel that way. How must it feel to someone that doesn't have all the planets aspecting each other? Liberating? Free to do whatever planet strikes their fancy without all the other planets ganging up saying "STOP!"? Lol!

But I digress... The question still remains. As I browse for the umpteenth time through the dating app of the day looking at ladies I may be interested in, some of whom thoughtfully provided their birth date in their username... how do I leverage my astrology knowledge to determine if I may be someone they may be interested in? As you may surmise, few of them provide a TOB to go along with a birthday, so a house ruler system doesn't offer much assistance.

And as a bonus question, how to tell if my eight house Sun is going to be bored to tears trying to engage them in conversation? Or my Leo Moon will be snubbed? *sigh*

Mars is turning retro within a half degree of my aVx, thus opposing my Mercury and completing my mutable grand cross for something like a week now. I think it's wearing a little thin...

posted April 18, 2016 12:58 PM            

Well I treat the modern one as main dispositor (so far), but the traditional ones are still giving information. Also Saturn definitely disposits your Sun.