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CapriciousCapricorn
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posted May 13, 2016 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I thought I understood this connection in synastry, meaning Moon/Pluto but I guess we really should pay close attention to the signs of the planets involved, not just the nature of the aspect. If you have a Moon/Pluto conjunction with someone, you really want this relationship to work out because if it doesn't, it will be very difficult to forget/get over/move on. That's what Moon/Pluto does to people - creates unhealthy attachment. Now if both Moon and Pluto are in Scorpio..imagine that! Its weight is times amplified compared to conjunction of the same planets in Libra. So yes, do look at the signs. And the next step? Look at the houses. Same principle.

Has anybody experienced a Moon/Pluto here to confirm this thinking? Aspect, house, signs?

Pluto would be in Libra or Scorpio I guess. I don't know how young someone with Capricorn Pluto is, probably too young. Pluto is very powerful and more obsessive in Scorpio. Libra naturally has a deep need for harmonious partnering..but Pluto and harmony? Well, I guess the Libran Pluto would still be less pushy than Scorpio one hence less intensity in whatever aspect.

For squares - Moon in Cancer or Capricorn; Leo or Aquarius. Out of these, logically, the square would be tough on Cancer Moon but I'm not too sure here.. Who handles emotional stuff easier: detached Aquarius Moon and cold Capricorn Moon or emotional crybaby Cancer Moon and open-hearted Leo Moon..? We all know how bad bottling up emotions and feelings is for us (Capricorn Moon) or feeling something deep but not being able to connect with it and process it accordingly (Aquarius Moon). At least Leo and Cancer Moons let it all out.

Oppositions, sextiles and trines are nice, no need to discuss. Just enjoy them

As for houses, all water houses + cardinal houses + angles will add to the weight of the aspect.

Orb. Tighter = more strongly felt.

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posted May 14, 2016 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 14, 2016 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cap we always looks for the signs involved the aspect and the house placement and rulership indeed. I am still learning about PLUTONIAN relationships. I was watching a video on PLUTONIAN relationships when I finish it I will come back to give you my opinion but from what I've understood with conjunctions to pluto there can be strong power struggles coming from pluto. Have you read the mythology on Pluto and Persephone? This story describes very well PLUTONIAN relationships involving all the hard aspects.

I have had a moon/pluto relationship before and it was defently unhealthy and I certainly felt dominated perhaps vulnerable by pluto (I was the moon).
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posted May 14, 2016 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon- Pluto is the b**ch
Cant live with or without each other. Starts absolutely magical and incredibly passionate, a deep bond is formed. And then , after the two victims are bonded, it turns into a compulsive, toxic liason plagued with insane jealousy and power games.
We have the conjunction,
exact degree, in my 7th house and his 1st. Im the Pluto.

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posted May 14, 2016 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Orange:
Moon- Pluto is the b**ch
Cant live with or without each other. Starts absolutely magical and incredibly passionate, a deep bond is formed. And then , after the two victims are bonded, it turns into a compulsive, toxic liason plagued with insane jealousy and power games.
We have the conjunction,
exact degree, in my 7th house and his 1st. Im the Pluto.

<3 sounds crazy...

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posted May 14, 2016 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Orange,

I've read that conjunction is better if Pluto is male.

Who is more obsessed, is it you ('insane jealousy and power games')? I've already painted myself a mental picture of powerful, controlling and jealous Pluto in 7th with heart on the sleeve perceptive and vulnerable Moon in 1st.

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posted May 14, 2016 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
Orange,

I've read that conjunction is better if Pluto is male.

Who is more obsessed, is it you ('insane jealousy and power games')?


both in my opinion. and sometimes with pluto its not always abour obsession. it is uncovering deep fears especially on the part of pluto. pluto sets themselves up for failure or disaster because they want the planet person so much that they project there fears onto the planet person and then it becomes a reality well im just talking about the unhealthy side of pluto in synastry...power games also likely to happen..but not always usually fears of some kind at least in my experience dealing with pluto and reading the mythology of Pluto (Hades).

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posted May 14, 2016 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Orange:
Moon- Pluto is the b**ch
Cant live with or without each other. Starts absolutely magical and incredibly passionate, a deep bond is formed. And then , after the two victims are bonded, it turns into a compulsive, toxic liason plagued with insane jealousy and power games.
We have the conjunction,
exact degree, in my 7th house and his 1st. Im the Pluto.

this happened to me but i didnt have the conjunction Orange, i had the quincunx formed in a YOD and you described to a T with me and my ex.

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posted May 14, 2016 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by angel4845:
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I have had a moon/pluto relationship before and it was defently unhealthy and I certainly felt dominated perhaps vulnerable by pluto (I was the moon).


Which houses?

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posted May 14, 2016 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
Which houses?

my moon is in the 7th house in aries and her pluto in the 2nd house in scorpio. But this was configured in a YOD dont know if you are familiar or experienced YODs in synastry..?

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posted May 14, 2016 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You said quincinx so it must have been a very tight orb. Moon in 7th - wanting to please partner in order to achieve harmony in relationship. Pluto in 2nd - as bad as Pluto in 8th? 'gotta have that Moon, mine miiine.'

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posted May 14, 2016 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
You said quincinx so it must have been a very tight orb. Moon in 7th - wanting to please partner in order to achieve harmony in relationship. Pluto in 2nd - as bad as Pluto in 8th? 'gotta have that Moon, mine miiine.'

yes it was exact the orb like exact ! lol

hahahaha omg yessssss i felt i needed to do everything possible in order for her to be happy but what about me? it was never about me i always felt that way it wasnt fair and i felt pressured to be her future wife later on in the relationship, i mean in the beginning we talked about marriage we were so in love we were jealous that we had sex before we met eachother we wanted to be each others first kiss that's how bad it was....hahahahaah!

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Yes, yes, its equally obsessive for both.

First is the Pluto, Pluto wants the Moon so bad, it comes after it full force. It doesnt take long until the Moon is completely overtaken and under the spell of the Pluto passion. Moon is responsive, flattered, emotional, quickly goes into a "Jessus, take the wheel" mode , and the two lovers submerge into the sea of love.

Then after so much passion, both partners starts to freak out that " all good things come to an end" , and both starts playing mind games trying to control the other. In this second phase, Pluto gets the better part of the game. Pluto calls the shots because the Moon has become addicted to that high level of plutonic intensity .Little by little, Pluto takes Moon's sanity away by employing the notorious " withdrawl of affection" game, similar to taking the drugs out of a drug addict. ..
Then it all spirals in a crazy up and down hill. Break ups, make ups...
If the two manage to stay put and survive the rollercoaster phase , then after that the things start to settle down and the road is less bumpy.

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posted May 15, 2016 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gracha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am pluto 4th house late degrees libra, he was moon 29 degree libra. I didn't know this birth time. He was Very obsessive and possessive towards me, controlling and manipulative. He played mind games to try and get me under total control but I saw his crap coming miles away and would ignore his plays for attention/power. Best darn lover I've had to date, we were planning our lives together but he left me, no good bye or anything and I never tried contacting him, I just let go and moved on. Unfortunately I'm still trying to get over him, but he will never know.

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posted May 15, 2016 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, signs/houses do matter.

For instance, an Aqua moon squaring a Scorpio Pluto - ouchy ouch! Unless the Aqua moon is used to getting some Pluto action in the natal itself.

Moons that need to be *drawn out* and aren't particularly expressive in and of themselves (say an 8th or 12th house moon, or an earth moon), might find themselves simultaneously loving and hating the Pluto attention. Earth moons might be used to being emotionally 'together' in front of other people, but under the influence of Pluto, they find themselves unraveling. It introduces them to emotional highs and lows and depths of despair that they didn't know existed, or could feel. -- This is the famed Pluto 'transformation', that they are left more *aware* of their own emotional nature than before.

With a water moon, making flowing aspects to someone's Pluto..the merging of feelings might seem like 'coming home' and feeling understood. It's rare that they find someone who can engage with them at their level of emotional depth. Pluto is willing to offer that depth and then some. It can be deeply comforting, and cathartic.
With the harsh Pluto aspects to water moons, yeah -- double dose of drama. There's nothing to 'contain' the moon's extreme reactiveness to Pluto, it is instead, intensified. If the Pluto is an airy one, they might find the effect they have on the moon person baffling at best, and overreaction at worst.

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posted May 15, 2016 07:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Orange:
Yes, yes, its equally obsessive for both.

First is the Pluto, Pluto wants the Moon so bad, it comes after it full force. It doesnt take long until the Moon is completely overtaken and under the spell of the Pluto passion. Moon is responsive, flattered, emotional, quickly goes into a "Jessus, take the wheel" mode , and the two lovers submerge into the sea of love.

Then after so much passion, both partners starts to freak out that " all good things come to an end" , and both starts playing mind games trying to control the other. In this second phase, Pluto gets the better part of the game. Pluto calls the shots because the Moon has become addicted to that high level of plutonic intensity .Little by little, Pluto takes Moon's sanity away by employing the notorious " withdrawl of affection" game, similar to taking the drugs out of a drug addict. ..
Then it all spirals in a crazy up and down hill. Break ups, make ups...
If the two manage to stay put and survive the rollercoaster phase , then after that the things start to settle down and the road is less bumpy.


And THAT must be one of the best descriptions of this aspect I have seen so far. Thank you for that.

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posted May 15, 2016 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gracha,

Moon at 29 degrees - anaretic degree. I have this and I can agree with description from AstrologyWeekly.

"The Moon rules your emotions, so having the Moon at 29 degrees can show someone who struggles to control and expose their emotions. They can have upsets and fits, or shove everything away, running from their feelings. You need to focus on your emotions, learn the channel them in healthy ways, and open up to others. "

I guess he ran. Good for you - a weirdly kind Pluto. Is it softly aspected in your chart?

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posted May 15, 2016 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gracha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Gracha,

Moon at 29 degrees - anaretic degree. I have this and I can agree with description from AstrologyWeekly.

"The Moon rules your emotions, so having the Moon at 29 degrees can show someone who struggles to control and expose their emotions. They can have upsets and fits, or shove everything away, running from their feelings. You need to focus on your emotions, learn the channel them in healthy ways, and open up to others. "

I guess he ran. Good for you - a weirdly kind Pluto. Is it softly aspected in your chart?


That description fits him, kept his emotions under control. My pluto trine moon natally and his. So we had dw moon pluto. Also I have pluto opposite taurus venus. He definitely ran. I thought I'd met my one. I currently have progressed sun conjunct natal venus. But moon pluto is tough. I had this aspect with another friend where I was pluto and he's scorpio moon 0 degree, he'd never reveal his feelings. Scorpio is something else.

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posted May 15, 2016 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gracha,

You don't know his birth time. You can't tell his Moon degree as it travels fast during the day. His Moon could be even in the next sign. You might not even have a Moon- Pluto aspect. Pluto aspects need to be tight - mo more than 2 1/2 degree

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posted May 15, 2016 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gracha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Orange:
Gracha,

You don't know his birth time. You cant tell his Moon degee as it travels fast diring the day. His Moon could be even in the next sign. You might not egen have a Moon- Pluto aspect. Pluto aspects need to be tight - mo more than 2 1/2 degree [/

Actually he told me his birth time and I do remember looking at his chart and seeing that aspect.

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posted May 15, 2016 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Orange,

Agree. I think 2.5 degrees orb max is a very good guideline. Wider orbs will work too but you will only notice and understand their dynamic years later. That's how weak they are. I've compared other Pluto aspects with different people, some I have exact to a degree, others 5 degrees. The exact aspects are felt immediately.

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Pluto falling in partner's 4th house opposite partner's Moon/MC in 10th house could support Moon's ambitions. As the Moon I have active Pluto in my chart so the power plays are not long in distracting from the insight Pluto provides.

At first Pluto's attempts to control are just annoying, but you know, a person's obsessive reaction to something does not necessarily negate the reality of a thing or the legitimacy of perception (though likely just a little skewed). Since I'm not worried about my freedom or independence, I am usually willing to test run submission to Pluto's desires to see how it works for me...achieving middle ground with Pluto usually amounts to personal satisfaction with the balance achieved in the expression of my Asc and MC aspects which are square and competing.

Moon/Pluto will always be intimate and deep, but the house and sign give other opportunities for expression.

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posted May 16, 2016 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 16, 2016 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Selenite,

You ok?

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posted May 17, 2016 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sunnya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have the square. He is Moon from early 4th, I am Pluto from late 11th. Ah and the orb! The orb is 0º.

No power games. Ridiculously intense, but the Moon seems to be the one more out of control. Moon is not able to hold the emotions in.

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