posted June 10, 2016 02:18 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
Aubyanne I completely understand there needs to be multiple aspects to the natal luminaries or personal planets or points etc. to say if this person feels love but however I am just talking about this SINGLE ASPECT ALONE that's all.

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Sorry, Angel. I get it. I'm just trying to be real here, you know? Stuff I've observed over time. It's like we've got to have certain other things in place before we feel other things. So if the question is, 'what does this aspect mean?' my initial conclusion is, 'possibly nothing'. And if you're feeling something IN connexion to it, it MAY actually be in connexion to something else -- you know?

I think we're approaching this backwards when we start by looking at minor points in the composite but aren't looking at what conjunctions are made to personal points in either natal -- preferably luminaries.

A composite doesn't have to hit EVERY part of someone's natal, but in long-term relationships -- good or ill -- people that affect each other, deeply -- there's some strong link between personal points in the natal to the composite.

For example, my mom's SUN and MOON are conjunct the cMOON, which is also conjunct my father's MOON. The cSUN is conjunct his ASC, with my mom's VENUS conjunct the cASC.

Sure, the cSUN is square both of their SUNs and MOONs, but the conjunctions and angle involvement is so binding.

BTW: this isn't a relationship, is it?

I ask, because:

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... natal Venus and moon and sun is completely unaspected to the composite ....

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That gets me. 75% of their personal points aren't being hit by the composite AT ALL?

Granted, it's only the cDSC that's conjunct my twin's MOON, but cASC is also conjunct his MARS -- and my SUN. The cSUN only hits (by conjunction, 1º-0º) my ISIS and his JUNO, but it's likely our luminaries across the angles that activate the rest of the composite.

Take, for example, the composite with my karmic soulmate -- remember that insane one that led IQ to conclude we must be twin flames? All Scorpio -- and no play? (I had to.) That composite practically drenches my natal chart, because all of its significant personal points -- along with VALENTINE -- are all over my personal points: MOON, MERC, MARS. It was rough. We all remember how I behaved in that -- which, at best, was complicated. At its worst, ultimately unrequited. Not really for anyone's fault, either. He's a sociopath. I was his closest friend and confidante. Elsewhere, it may've gone further. But we're here. This is what we got.

Incidentally, while the composite did hit me, deeply, all that Scorpio did was square his Aquarius, (MARS/PSYCHE), and conjunct his SNODE/KARMA/SATURN.

A relationship which essentially is filtered through your SNODE? KARMA? And SATURN? Wow. Can you imagine? It really forced him to wrestle with his shadow, clear out old contracts, and everything that was obsolete in his life. When he did that, we were good. When he fought it -- we were awful. The essence of a karmic relationship -- intensified and highlighted by our SATURN/SNODE/KARMA conjunct MOON.

Unfortunately, that's exactly how it played out; I underwent a total emotional transformation, as he dredged emotion in me that few could, and he was constantly facing delays, restrictions, frustrations, his karma, debts, and his shadow. In the end, I became connected to these things, because they felt inextricable for him -- I'll forever be the representative of everything he tried to run from, which he was finally forced to confront -- because of me.

I guess, because it was only my MOON that's conjunct cVALENTINE, only I really felt that part of thing. Otherwise, it activated his SATURN/SNODE/KARMA again.

Anyhow, the details DO matter. I think we get led astray when we try and interpret a composite with very little foundation in the way of activation through strong aspects -- by conjunction -- to the natal. Because we naturally perceive 'relationship' from composite, as it's the combination of two separate natal charts. Without SOME kind of strong link between the composite and natal, however, I think it's smarter than we interpret it more like synastry: how does the individual feel in regards to the perceived interactions which may or may not be afforded them (as I hesitate to call it a relationship at that stage).

My final answer: how do they see themselves connected to AMOR in the composite?

posted June 10, 2016 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
for us Atropos is conjunct chiron exact on the last degree of Aries.

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posted June 10, 2016 02:36 PM            

"If you want to know how someone is affected by a composite look at their MOON."

I had this exact thought the other day. "But what about our moons and this composite?" It does seem totally crucial... his seems underaspected to me, at least as far as the app I'm using this moment goes...

His Moon septile composite Mercury, biseptile Uranus, and trine c. Saturn and Mean/True Black Moons. Obviously it's activated by midpoints too but anyway, that's kind of it. His Moon 0 Aries is widely sextile composite Sun 6 Aqua and very widely trine comp Venus 8 Leo though. Probably not totally negligible?

posted June 10, 2016 03:44 PM            

A composite doesn't have to hit EVERY part of someone's natal, but in long-term relationships -- good or ill -- people that affect each other, deeply -- there's some strong link between personal points in the natal to the composite."

I agree with that.

Though before we can see it all intertextually (is that a word? In German it is. lol), we need to be able to interprete isolated aspects too.
What I did was just putting the symbolism together, of course we have to check what else is going on in the composite!

And yes, luminaries, and in relationship context VENUS, as well as ruler of 5th, 7th and 8th house, along with the angles and nodes, need to be linked to the composite (not all of them obviously, but some).

I had not read the bit about the luminaries nor Venus overlaying the composite, to be honest that would make me pause a while and check VERY carefull what link really IS there.

While I find our composite-natal in terms of Valentine and Amor interesting, this is not where it started for me.

The thing that really grabbed my attention was rather simple.

composite Sun falling onto his Sun/Moon-mp
composite Moon falling onto my Sun/Moon-mp
- granted this happens whenever there is a synastric Sun-Moon-conjunction.

But also it caught my attention for when we met Tr Juno as conjunct composite Sun by one minute (and on his mp) and TR Jupiter was conjunct composite Moon on my midpoint.

and also it got my attention that my Sun-Mercury and his Sun-Moon-MC are conjunct composite Sun; and that his Venus is conjunct composite Moon and my Antivertex is composite Moon.

along with my DESC-ruler conjunct composite Sun
and his 5th house ruler conjunct composite Sun; his DESC-ruler conjunct composite BML (which I find important, considering she is a lunar point and calculated point) and opposite composite Jupiter; his intercepted 7th house ruler conjunct composite Moon, his 8th house ruler conjunct composite Mars-NN, with Mars being ruler of the SN and conjunct the NN, indicating clearly there is something left to work out, to address it again.

This is really what got my attention at first, but when it did, the other points and overlays became intriguing in that they were fleshing out the details more.

I guess it is NOT a coincidence that there is Amor on the NN and on his 8th house ruler, and not some other asteroid.

Well actually this is because his Amor squares my nodal axis and my Amor squares his nodal axis, and since they are in opposing phases, it results in the conjunction in composite.

Of course Cupido is there as well, so it`s not all just strictly the platonic thing I guess.

However there are no underlying Cupido-Node-synastric aspects. it`s just the same angular distance that results in the composite conjunction (about 11 degrees).

posted June 10, 2016 04:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Who does that hit natally, Ceri?

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Well composite ATROPOS: 0°09 Taurus
c-CHIRON: 29°49 Aries

maybe most noteably it opposes our UNION-UNION-conjunction
his UNION: 29°28 Lira
my UNION 29°50 LIbra

also my hCUPIDO 29°28 Libra
and my Uranus 1°21 Scorpio

- well of course those are probably more directly aligned with c-UNION as these are all conjunctions.

in terms of conjunction there is:

my 5th house cusp: 1°35 Taurus

his VESTA 2°59 Taurus, though I deem that too wide for an asteroid.

but I guess the thing that intrigues me the most is:

his CHARIKLO 0°02 Taurus

just 7 minutes of c-Atropos, and also closely aligned with c-Chiron,

and it intrigues me even more, as we have the reverse as well

c-Chariklo: 18°18 Aries
my Chiron: 20°02 Aries

So HIS Chariklo is conjunct c-Chiron
and MY Chiron is conjunct c-Chariklo

This just intrigued me cause after all Chariklo was Chiron`s wife, and despite all the abuse (emotional and physical) chiron had been through, their marriage was a happy one, and Chariklo was actually a great healer herself. So of course that was interested to me.

Also, she seems to be indicative of transcending boundaries, and it couldn´t be any more descriptive of what happened to me since I met him, and also it seems he`s unable (and increasingly so) to keep up (artificial) boundaries with me, and yes I know this pinches and stings, but I can´t spare him this experiences, as it seems to be initiated simply through my presence alone (and apparently sometimes even through my absence).

As for ATropos, well I never really know if she is the end or simply pointing to a fated TURNing point, that cannot really be averted. Maybe both at different points in the development.

posted June 10, 2016 04:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
As for ATropos, well I never really know if she is the end or simply pointing to a fated TURNing point, that cannot really be averted. Maybe both at different points in the development.

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That's also what I have been trying to research. I really wonder about our Composite Amor/Karma/Atropos and Mars right on his ASC. What do you think of this?

You have some very interesting aspects there Ceri. You two always do anyway hehe

@yun Wow you guys also have Composite Karma in the mix" I don't know what to make of ours yet. Hmmmm.

posted June 10, 2016 08:56 PM            

@Ceri, your description is correct and it does resonate it really does! It really explains his behaviour towards me and unfornately I'm a bit DISAPOINTED by it but at the same time there are other things in the composite that aren't so hot there is lots of karma let's just put it that way. Not to say aubyanne is incorrect that is just her opinion but she did say that if I feel like there is connection then it's okay and I do and YOUR INTERPRETATION really said the truth to my situation and how he feels but that's just ONE PART OF THE STORY

posted June 11, 2016 11:29 PM            

If YOU feel something to it, then you should investigate the charts as if they're synastry, as that's more truthful in terms of evaluating what's in relationship to you.

posted June 12, 2016 07:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Not really what I said, Angel ... I'll clarify.

If YOU feel something to it, then you should investigate the charts as if they're synastry, as that's more truthful in terms of evaluating what's in relationship to you.

But to say that it has objective meaning, I feel, in this case, is a misnomer.

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I understand however what i think is that it does have a part in the story that I'm living in with this individual and it makes sense to me. I would love to tell you my story to explain further but this is public forum and i would like to talk about it privately. As i believe every aspect or connection in relationship synastry, composite, transits, event charts etc. tells a story of the situation between 2 or more people, obviously.

And i have investigated the composite charts numerously comparing to natal and also by progression so....i don't know what else to say.

There 7th ruler sun/venus/mars & neptune is formed by a YOD with mars at the APEX. The composite ASC & 7th RULER (MERCURY in the 1st house) conjuncts the midpoint between there sun/venus & neptune which is opposing there natal MARS RX in the 4th house. That's pretty much from the top of my head the only major aspects there receiving from there person planets/luminaries either than that they are just receiving minor aspects which i won't consider that much.

posted June 12, 2016 08:07 PM            

"Sorry, Angel. I get it. I'm just trying to be real here, you know? Stuff I've observed over time. It's like we've got to have certain other things in place before we feel other things. So if the question is, 'what does this aspect mean?' my initial conclusion is, 'possibly nothing'. And if you're feeling something IN connexion to it, it MAY actually be in connexion to something else -- you know?"

Yes i understand please be real i respect that ! well i guess ill have to look more into the charts to see if its something else that I'm feeling

"I think we're approaching this backwards when we start by looking at minor points in the composite but aren't looking at what conjunctions are made to personal points in either natal -- preferably luminaries."

Yes i understand I'm just trying to understand the configuration of there natal YOD that is majorly aspecting the COMPOSITE.

"A composite doesn't have to hit EVERY part of someone's natal, but in long-term relationships -- good or ill -- people that affect each other, deeply -- there's some strong link between personal points in the natal to the composite.

For example, my mom's SUN and MOON are conjunct the cMOON, which is also conjunct my father's MOON. The cSUN is conjunct his ASC, with my mom's VENUS conjunct the cASC.

Sure, the cSUN is square both of their SUNs and MOONs, but the conjunctions and angle involvement is so binding.

BTW: this isn't a relationship, is it?"

No it is not a relationship at all. It is far from a relationship and i don't see myself forming a relationship with them and i don't think it will ever manifest. I' am just trying to understand the past with this individual.

I ask, because:

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... natal Venus and moon and sun is completely unaspected to the composite ....

That gets me. 75% of their personal points aren't being hit by the composite AT ALL?

Yes that are receiving aspects but minor aspects nothing major at all, however there 4th/5th & 8th ruler is conjunct composite 12th ruler pluto in the 12th house and sextile the IC exact. There natal moon trine composite 3rd ruler uranus exact.

"Granted, it's only the cDSC that's conjunct my twin's MOON, but cASC is also conjunct his MARS -- and my SUN. The cSUN only hits (by conjunction, 1º-0º) my ISIS and his JUNO, but it's likely our luminaries across the angles that activate the rest of the composite."
thats nice

"Take, for example, the composite with my karmic soulmate -- remember that insane one that led IQ to conclude we must be twin flames? All Scorpio -- and no play? (I had to.) That composite practically drenches my natal chart, because all of its significant personal points -- along with VALENTINE -- are all over my personal points: MOON, MERC, MARS. It was rough. We all remember how I behaved in that -- which, at best, was complicated. At its worst, ultimately unrequited. Not really for anyone's fault, either. He's a sociopath. I was his closest friend and confidante. Elsewhere, it may've gone further. But we're here. This is what we got.

Incidentally, while the composite did hit me, deeply, all that Scorpio did was square his Aquarius, (MARS/PSYCHE), and conjunct his SNODE/KARMA/SATURN.

A relationship which essentially is filtered through your SNODE? KARMA? And SATURN? Wow. Can you imagine? It really forced him to wrestle with his shadow, clear out old contracts, and everything that was obsolete in his life. When he did that, we were good. When he fought it -- we were awful. The essence of a karmic relationship -- intensified and highlighted by our SATURN/SNODE/KARMA conjunct MOON."

wow it sounds like there was a lot of karma to be dealt with and lessons it seems so.

"Unfortunately, that's exactly how it played out; I underwent a total emotional transformation, as he dredged emotion in me that few could, and he was constantly facing delays, restrictions, frustrations, his karma, debts, and his shadow. In the end, I became connected to these things, because they felt inextricable for him -- I'll forever be the representative of everything he tried to run from, which he was finally forced to confront -- because of me.

I guess, because it was only my MOON that's conjunct cVALENTINE, only I really felt that part of thing. Otherwise, it activated his SATURN/SNODE/KARMA again."

ohhhhh wow that's insane how your moon was conjunct the composite valentine you tustve felt that love and nurture within the two of you, and yeahhhhh i can feel it when you mention it aspecting his saturn/south node and karma once again..

"Anyhow, the details DO matter. I think we get led astray when we try and interpret a composite with very little foundation in the way of activation through strong aspects -- by conjunction -- to the natal. Because we naturally perceive 'relationship' from composite, as it's the combination of two separate natal charts. Without SOME kind of strong link between the composite and natal, however, I think it's smarter than we interpret it more like synastry: how does the individual feel in regards to the perceived interactions which may or may not be afforded them (as I hesitate to call it a relationship at that stage).

My final answer: how do they see themselves connected to AMOR in the composite?

They don't. Really, I don't care if it's the chart-ruler. If you want to know how someone is affected by a composite look at their MOON."

okay.