posted June 27, 2016 08:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Not rude in the least. As I've already said, Faith, I'm ... uh ... ... Yeah. It's kind of insane how much of it's become commercialised within the past -- what, 2 years? If that?

Don't get me wrong -- I've made friends with some VERY cool folks. But I've also encountered plenty of ... well ... less savoury types.

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Glad you understand.

Some of the Vloggers look nice but they present themselves as authorities and yet they are disorganized and boring.

Four questions, just ignore me if this is inconvenient to answer:

1) Are you noticing a high number of water luminaries...and Chinese water signs?

2) I wonder if anyone has a list of the times when those asteroid pairs have been conjunct?

Then if we see the distance between our birthday and that date, and create that distance on the other side of the date, voila, we find someone with whom we are compatible?

3) Also, do you use uncorrected Davison?

4) Have you checked draconic? (Please)

posted June 27, 2016 08:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Vixen:
And when it comes to "Twinflames Inc.", I'm too kinda frustrated by all that "runner vs chaser" bullsh*t. I'm not saying that something like that is not at all possible between Twinflames. But this crap looks like something desperate individuals could say to themselves to soothe their pain. This could even lead to delusional disorders like Erotomania...
And those sick f*cks in TF-bussines are exploiting people like that for their own gain. Disgusting.
I've even bumped into blog that says something like:
"If doctors think that you have Erotomania, you can be 100% sure you're twinflames." !!! I have no words...

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WOW

Yeah a lot of it looks cultish and demented...

I adore weird, New Age occult stuff until the people start acting truly fake, insisting they are lofty advanced 5D people when they can't even put together a watchable video, and you can hear the wind blowing into the microphone more than their voice, or their intro is like three minutes long for no reason, and they really don't have any good insights anyway.

(They really seem to have too much of a sense of their own importance, too little respect for your time!!)

"It hurts when you have a Twin Flame, but you gotta go through it mannnn, stop running away!"

Gee, never thought of anything like that. Glad I watched your hour-long video to learn such amazing things.

posted June 27, 2016 08:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
While this is all [b]so new, guys, I've got to say -- thanks for being along for the ride, and ... here's some very, very preliminary data.

The Davison is showing some patterns.

Oddly enough, in every case for the population I'm presently studying, we're seeing a 2-3º conjunction of either EROS and PSYCHE, ISIS and OSIRIS, and the SUN and MOON.

Huh. Well, the jibes. ALMA seems involved more than to be expected on the average, too. ANGEL sometimes, but not UNION.

More to come. Much, much more. [/B]

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Lol
I don`t want to muddy your research with personal examples, that may or may not fit the criteria, but in my parent`s Davison there is a wide Isis-Osiris-conjunction (3°25) too

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I don't want to do something like that either but I must say that my parents have Osiris-Isis conjunction in their Davison as well! I don't know if they're 100% TFs. But me and my brothers are convinced that they are simply made for each other. But maybe we're just biased, because they're our parents (Please don't quote) Unfortunately, there were lots of huge disagreements between them when it comes to spirituality and religion. They were both Catholics before, but dad has converted do Protestantism (although he refuses to label himself that way) after some time. He started to be kinda fanatical in his beliefs and became chauvinist who thought that woman should blindly "follow" her husband everywhere, whether it comes to spirituality or material things... Mom, having chart ruler and Venus in Aqua, thought thant people should have at least a little bit of individuality inside relationship. I'm no expert on things like this so I'm really not sure if they're TFs....

posted June 27, 2016 12:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Vixen:
And when it comes to "Twinflames Inc.", I'm too kinda frustrated by all that "runner vs chaser" bullsh*t. I'm not saying that something like that is not at all possible between Twinflames. But this crap looks like something desperate individuals could say to themselves to soothe their pain. This could even lead to delusional disorders like Erotomania...
And those sick f*cks in TF-bussines are exploiting people like that for their own gain. Disgusting.
I've even bumped into blog that says something like:
"If doctors think that you have Erotomania, you can be 100% sure you're twinflames." !!! I have no words...

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Wow!!!! I thought a lot about erotomania when I was reading those old soulmate/twin flame threads around 2009.

Also back when I was reading those threads, I "tested" the asteroid conjunctions using my database of charts of friends and relatives....lots of the strangers I tested (my aunt in the Midwest and the guy I had a crush on, two of my friends who had never met each other, my boyfriend and my massage therapist, etc) had those soulmate asteroid conjunctions. I think possibly a great astrologer could come up with meaning in them, if the particular methodology really resonated with him/her and he/she was using the science mixed with intuition in a nuanced way---but for most of us, it's going to be bunk. At least for another 1000 years while we figure out how those asteroid energies actually manifest.

And it's sooo fueling to erotomaniacal fantasies---"he feels 'it' too!!! That's why he's running scared!!!"

When I put random and not-random charts in my database into soulmate calculators, there was no rhyme or reason to the scores that came up.

I was just reading an article in the forum on Linda Goodman's life that talked about how, after her young lover ditched her, she set a place for him at her table every night waiting for him to come back. Don't get me wrong, I love Linda---and I love my attachment-disordered self, too!!!---but I guess I really don't believe that this kind of ideation or behavior has anything at all to do with spiritual practices or unconditional love......it's JUST about limerance, family-of-origin abuse and trauma issues, obsessive tendencies and disordered attachment.

It feels unjust to me on the part of the "runner"----it says, Even though you've chosen not to be involved with me, you can't REALLY choose that. You saying and deciding that we're not meant to be doesn't mean we're not meant to be!!!! It's creepy, like the psychic equivalent of "she asked for it because she was wearing a short skirt." It's full-on erotomanic thinking. I bet most of us who go there (or who go anywhere near there)--by "go there," I mean being a chaser....I mean checking to see whether our Valentine conjuncts the Union of someone who IS NOT IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH US, or someone who has left because he really wanted to, and is not coming back to the plate put out for him at the lonely dinner table....or we will the person back to us and spend time with someone who's not an easy, happy, loving partner, telling ourselves it's meant to be.......have some abuse and trauma issues in our pasts.

posted June 27, 2016 01:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Vixen:
I've even bumped into blog that says something like: "If doctors think that you have Erotomania, you can be 100% sure you're twinflames." !!! I have no words...

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I ... have no words, either ... So ...

posted June 27, 2016 01:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
WOW

Yeah a lot of it looks cultish and demented...

I adore weird, New Age occult stuff until the people start acting truly fake, insisting they are lofty advanced 5D people when they can't even put together a watchable video, and you can hear the wind blowing into the microphone more than their voice, or their intro is like three minutes long for no reason, and they really don't have any good insights anyway.

(They really seem to have too much of a sense of their own importance, too little respect for your time!!)

"It hurts when you have a Twin Flame, but you gotta go through it mannnn, stop running away!"

Gee, never thought of anything like that. Glad I watched your hour-long video to learn such amazing things.

I think it makes the whole New Age community look bad. (Look worse I mean

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I have so little patience. I've put a little safe haven for brazen thoughts and wild and crazy ideas, (the likes of which can include, 'man, isn't this just a LITTLE too wild and crazy?') of which I'm quite proud. It helps maintain a smidgin of sanity in what feels like a whole industry -- erm, 'community' -- gone mad some days.

posted June 27, 2016 01:51 PM            

Although I'm a 100% non-believer - I do not believe in any concept beyond this life - I would like to add my findings (Auby is my guideline here ;D)

I went for 1/5 through my DAVISON database...

^ couple I know through a friend of mine. They were together for 35 years and are NOW going through a divorce. They seemed like the perfect match to all around.

Our... KURT (cobain) & Courtney ^.

Interesting to see an Uranus/Pluto conjunction in both cases above involved, not? That's because both couples share the same years of birth. 1967/1964.

Is this the way to go Auby?

^ verrry special case. A girl was married for 23 years with a man she got 2 kids with - not through the 'natural way' of intercourse btw. But she became mentally/physically sick for many yearss during their marriage and NO one could lay a finger on what she had, one big mystery (hospitalizations etc.). UNTIL... she met again - after yearss of deep suffering - the girl who solved the puzzle. Turned out she was Lesbian and could never forget about this girl she had some short encounters with in the past. But she never ever spoke about it, I suspect a totally suppressed case for herself too somehow. The meeting was life-saving to her and she and the girl are now living together for almost 2 years, that is their ^ psyche/eros connection. Btw, her husband was a GREAT guy and did all the things he could to help her through those years of suffering.

^ A couple I know. She helped him 15 years ago during a verry bad & black period of his life. He said to me: I will never ever leave her, she gave me my life back. They're also living together since then.

^ My ex @ I. Nothing special hahahah. 17 bloody months together. I talked about him a lot some years ago here. He was an addict and although I did everything I could to keep us together it didn't work.

^ hm.. I might be a TF after all (kiddin guys).. this is one of my current favorites for the past few years.. but that's IT.

posted June 27, 2016 05:55 PM            

I'm thinking we're going to see ISIS/OSIRIS when transformation through the balance of the masculine and feminine is a thematic component.

Conversely, I think EROS/PSYCHE will be present if the couple exhibits a more traditionally minded relationship style. Potentially if there are 'maternal issues' prominent in some way -- we'd have to investigate that further.

Interestingly enough, I've noticed that EROS/PSYCHE 'unions' tend to involve a very public, worse-than-average, intense hatred of the MIL for the wife.

ISIS/OSIRIS 'unions' have a dominant theme involving some very hardcore, transformative, potentially even life-and-death stuff. It may also be linked to couples involving spiritual movements, though I'd NOT say it's any kind of 'twin flame marker'. We could see this in many types of such relationships.

posted June 27, 2016 06:06 PM            

While I've got the 0º conjunction ISIS-ORISIS with my ex-producing partner, the 'catalyst' / 'karmic soulmate' in composite, we DON'T share this in Davison.

I was looking at the Davison with my twin last night, actually. While ISIS and OSIRIS are not conjunct, they share the sign of Scorpio, OSIRIS is on my MOON, with ISIS on his SNODE. ISIS is also conjunct my SUN/MOON Midpoint.

It's also interesting that we have a PSYCHE/EROS parallel, though no conjunction exists.

It's possible there is a connexion between how their relationship plays out, given these influences. We may explore the midpoints, too.

posted June 27, 2016 09:09 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Agreed!
There's a twin flame blogger who constantly 'reminds' readers that in order to reunite with your twin you need energy clearing meditations tools to get rid off all the self limiting beliefs, negative forces etc that are keeping runners running and chasers chasing in a never ending cycle for years. she conveniently sells this energy clearing pack on her blog and reminds readers in every newsletter.
Hmmmmmmm.....

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They're all doing it. It's tough, because I'm friends with some, and not with others. I've even been honest about how I'm not a fan of charging the desperate for services like that.

posted June 27, 2016 09:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
What do you suggest should be the minimum amount of time being together in terms of looking at a TF couple? it would be good to go past that initial rosy bloom most new relationships have, and focus on couples that are settled in a relationship.

Also, I was wondering, why would TF relationships be so rare? Did the Creator made some souls TF and others, just regla souls? Or could it be that we all have a TF but it takes a certain level of spiritual evolution to reunite with our TF in a particular lifetime?

We may not be able to answer those questions...

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I'm presently looking at couples who have been together for 3 years or more. Even if they've only married within the last year, they were together for longer.

As to rarity -- yes, we may not be able to know those answers, as it comes down to origin, and those remain unclear. In my most humble thinking, I'd think that twin flames are here with clear spiritual goals and the need to contribute to humanity in some profound way -- whether it's through art, education, or charity.

The other thought is that twin flames are a prototype for the next evolution of humanity, in the metaphysical sense. Those in the community which have not commercialised it are more focussed upon seeing hundreds of twin flame couples unite to share a universal message of compassion, spirituality, unconditional love and authenticity.

posted June 27, 2016 09:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
2) I wonder if anyone has a list of the times when those asteroid pairs have been conjunct?

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Actually, yes! I pay close attention to when there are conjunctions of ISIS/OSIRIS, EROS/PSYCHE, and SIVA/PARVATI.

When I see a year with a LOT of these conjunctions -- such as 2015 -- I definitely pay attention. The New Moon with the VENUS/MARS conjunction and the EROS/PSYCHE conjunction (in February) followed by the ISIS/OSIRIS, and SIVA/PARVATI -- for example.

posted June 28, 2016 01:32 AM            

^ This is ours and yes we're together.

posted June 28, 2016 02:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
though I'd NOT say it's any kind of 'twin flame marker'. We could see this in many types of such relationships.

Very interesting thus far!

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While we do not fit your criteria, Mr Sag and me have that in DAvison as well

ISIS 25°22 Leo
OSIRIS 25°18 Leo
Vertex 24°59 Leo (Might also be 25 Leo)

and personally I like the Sabian
"After The Heavy Storm, A rainbow

I`ve had that isis - Osiris in composite with two others before (in one case coupled with an Eros-Psyche-opposition on a Neptune_Karma-opposition), and while very significant of their own, it`s felt different.

posted June 28, 2016 03:01 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Wow I'm almost gonna see a true mystery behind those specific asteroid pairings AND I see a new dimension in the heliocentric Davison realm. I'm amazed. Just by a sudden unexpected look at it;

^ This is ours and yes we're together.

The heliocentric realm feels/sounds as a match for the midpoint in space & time (davison), somehow.

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posted June 28, 2016 02:05 PM            

Ow guys, I made a big mistake yesterday with this couple;

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^ couple I know through a friend of mine. They were together for 35 years and are NOW going through a divorce. They seemed like the perfect match to all around.

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posted June 28, 2016 02:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

But I honestly think this 'movement' has been in the works through generations prior to the millennials mostly involved in this -- but not entirely. There are a handful of older couples, but many are in their mid-twenties.

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posted June 28, 2016 02:28 PM            

I would not pick this new moon as the start of anything I would want to have lasting value. The new moon in Gemini was square Neptune & Jupiter, and opposite Saturn. From these aspects, I would gather it would signify delusions leading to loss of faith (square to Neptune), blind optimism, over the top and lack of restraint (square to Jupiter), and a hard slap in the face from reality, resulting in loss of faith (opposite Saturn).

posted June 28, 2016 02:31 PM            

Those of us with debilitated Venuses or afflicted 7th houses are SOL I am afraid.

posted June 28, 2016 02:33 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Wow I'm almost gonna see a true mystery behind those specific asteroid pairings AND I see a new dimension in the heliocentric Davison realm.

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Potentially. I think few grasp the Helio because they're unaware of the polydimensional nature of their relationship, if you follow. It's almost like zooming way, way out on an image; you can see so much more, but you may not be able to tell just what it is you're seeing unless you know what you're looking for. It can become confusing to people, who aren't yet sure what they should even expect, outside of the more basic configurations that're likely to be there.

We don't actually have any such conjunctions in Helio -- except for one. MADHATTER/LIDDELL.

Seems legit.

The further out you go, the more basic the nature becomes. The rest is pretty much filler for us. But that? That's intrinsic to our very being. It's what we are, essentially. The red-teaming outliers. A union of logic and insanity, equally playing both roles as needed given the context. We strike the balance between them, because of it.

posted June 28, 2016 09:09 PM            

To compare;

Now I live a heliocentric davison Eros/Psyche conjunction - also: an exact heliocentric Venus/Mars syna conj in which me Mars.

With my ex (the one before that ^ one) I lived the geocentric davison Eros/Psyche conjunction - also: an exact geocentric Venus/Mars syna conj in which me Mars.

Interesting follow-up ^

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AUBY: Conversely, I think EROS/PSYCHE will be present if the couple exhibits a more traditionally minded relationship style. Potentially if there are 'maternal issues' prominent in some way -- we'd have to investigate that further.

Interestingly enough, I've noticed that EROS/PSYCHE 'unions' tend to involve a very public, worse-than-average, intense hatred of the MIL for the wife.

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^ taking this literally; with ex his mom didn't like me at all, she tried to exclude me after my first visit there. And ofcourse, she felt the power to do so as her son was still trying to get rid of his 'black sheep' family label. Long story short: I finally took my revenge with a 3 pages long and painfully honest letter to her. Ooww and how he wished I would be the (very first) one his mom could get along with (he said when we broke up).

So, spot on I would say.