posted June 25, 2016 03:41 AM            

Q: Haven't we already done this?

A: We have. Don't mistake me -- I have tremendous respect for the prior research; in-roads made by fantastic astrologers like iQ, and later, all who participated in the Twinflame Astrology thread a few years ago. However, this research was found incomplete by way of a faulty premise. Our hypotheses were bad, so our results can't be valid. Sadly, they weren't. We received many false positives where there was a 90% confidence rate, leading to confusion that's best avoided in the future.

Q: How was the previous research done?

A: With the prior research, hypotheses were largely based upon points of mythological significance factoring prominently in the astrology of twin flames. This was not the case. We saw this occur in many types of soul connexions, including karmic soulmates. Whereas we expected certain mythological pairings to operate as markers in twin flame charts exclusively, we did not see this. There are those charts which prove the hypothesis, but the success rate was too below the threshold to be considered a viable methodology.

Q: What would make this different?

A: The opposite approach is being taken with compiling the United Twin Flame Astrological Database. I have received accurate, complete birthdata from several twin flame couples -- who are 'in Union' -- married, or otherwise cohabiting in a committed relationship, where they both identify as the other's twin flame, and are very public about their role. We will derive our potential markers, signatures, and configurations from these natals, synastries, and composites, rather then employing the old method.

Q: What do you hope to find?

A: First of all, patterns. Anything from repeating degrees in signs, to aspects. Ideally, natally which are then completed in synastry. Thus far, actual twin flame charts have NOT been abiding by any of the previous rules, or prior hypotheses, so I hope to discover some common denominator, if any does exist.

Q: Is there any way I can be a part?

A: Absolutely! If you identify as a twin flame yourself, and meet the qualifications to be included in the database, I would love to include you. This is a global initiative, and I hope to expand beyond English in time.

Q: What will you provide?

A: Ongoing research. In this thread, I will be 'working aloud' with the members of LL who are also interested in assisting me with analysing the data, finding whatever patterns may exist, and deriving conclusions. With hard work, and a little luck, we can finally crack the 'twin flame astrology' code, better understanding what makes a twin flame a twin flame -- in astrological terms.

Is this perhaps a pipe-dream? Maybe. But I'm going to give it my best shot.

Join me!

Watch this space for my progress, and, again, feel free to contribute if you qualify.

posted June 25, 2016 07:56 AM            

Glad to see the patterns included here

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posted June 25, 2016 08:04 AM            

However, I am sceptical of so called "proved twinflame relationships". This would need an actual definition of what a twinflame relationship is. And that definition does not exist. (well there exist several theories of course).

BUT more important than this label to me is if you will find out certain patterns that most lasting loving happy socially and spiritually responsible relationships (Which seems to be your current perspective on twinflames) have in common.

posted June 25, 2016 08:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:

I hope the researchers are not going to tailor the "twin flame discoveries" by their own synastries and composites,validating their partners as twin flames, or something exclusive like that, in the way it happened with the last "research".

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This is why I prefer researching lasting loving happy couples (as far as we can say that abuot anyone), without putting any other label to them.

It doesn`t matter if two people are labelled as twinflames, soulmates, karmamates or earthmates, as long as they love and respect each other, and share their lives as partners with a lot of support, too, and by doing so accidentally also influence their environment in a positive way by their example (just by being, not because they actually set out to lecture anyone)

posted June 25, 2016 08:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

This is why I prefer researching lasting loving happy couples (as far as we can say that abuot anyone), without putting any other label to them.

It doesn`t matter if two people are labelled as twinflames, soulmates, karmamates or earthmates, as long as they love and respect each other, and share their lives as partners with a lot of support, too, and by doing so accidentally also influence their environment in a positive way by their example (just by being, not because they actually set out to lecture anyone)

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Agreed.

I've been thinking about this for years, since I last used to spend a lot of time on Lindaland (2010). Unless you have strong beliefs about past lives and reincarnation (and I'm agnostic on that stuff), a problem with soulmate or twin flame calculations is that ANY two charts of ANY two people on the planet have tons and tons of connections between them--it's just basic math---your asteroid TwooWuvForever WILL fall somewhere in the chart of every single other person on earth, and theirs will fall into yours, and--just mathematically--you will have strong connections indicated astrologically with zillions of people you'll never meet in this lifetime.

I don't think it necessarily means that if you did meet those people, they would be your dear friends and lovers. But, on the other hand, I do think there can be value and accuracy in synastry/composite readings.....I just think one probably-inescapable flaw in the methodology is that you can draw up charts for ANY pair of people on earth, but not every pair on earth will ever have any kind of relationship. And even when two people meet, they may never have a friendship, business relationship or romance with each other---but their composite and synastry will indicate SOME kind of relationship. And thst's misleading. Person A's TwoooWuvForever asteroid WILL fall in one of Person B's 12 houses---while in real life, an accurate reading of their non-relationship would be better mapped by showing ZERO of person A's planets or asteroids falling in any of Person B's houses.

On astrology websites, I often see "karmic relationship" used as a euphemism for bad relationships that don't work out and that cause one or both people suffering, at best----and for ridiculously one-sided relationships at worst, where someone with an obsessive crush is using asteroids to find out Does This Pisces Love Me, We Have a Pluto-Venus Conjunction, about someone who won't ever be interested in them.

Synastry/composites don't adjust for scale---your connection with a person whose arm you brush one day on a crowded city street when you're 39 and never see again, your husband of 70 years, the married guy at work you are attracted to, your mother, and each of your children are all measured in the same way.

posted June 25, 2016 09:10 AM            

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A: The opposite approach is being taken with compiling the United Twin Flame Astrological Database. I have received accurate, complete birthdata from several twin flame couples -- who are 'in Union' -- married, or otherwise cohabiting in a committed relationship, where they both identify as the other's twin flame, and are very public about their role. We will derive our potential markers, signatures, and configurations from these natals, synastries, and composites, rather then employing the old method.

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I think you should also use comparative groups:

-100+ pairs who have one-sided or semi-one-sided attractions/obsessions that may or may not be "secretly" mutual, but that NEVER result in cohabitation/marriage or any mutually-declared awareness of being a committed couple

-100+ random pairs of people who are never likely to meet in real life--deceased people are fine, too---and don't match them in age-appropriate couples. Use, say, a four-year-old boy living in Varanasi and a man happily married for 57 years and deceased for 14 years living in A cron, Ohio USA. If you studied thousands of random pairs like this as a control group, I think statistically you would find plenty of people who will never meet and never can with the same strong synastry/composite/asteroid connections as the happy, mutual romantic couples who identify themselves as Twin Flames.

posted June 25, 2016 09:18 AM            

When I talked to TF ( the one we discussed) in the astral plane he told me he would call me. We will see, I will let you know but I think it may not be till July or August. This was just before the new moon in Gemini this was the divine intervention for twins aspect. I am sure it included other twins as well. But I only saw me and mine In the Yod the right hand of God so to speak with his name and mine exact on the yod with the part of fortune on his SN and my MC Pointing to 14 Gemini almost 15 is that the Galactic center I can't remember ? Btw... The asteroid Medea was conjunct 14 Gemini at time of new moon with Venus. !!!!! Saturn was at 12 on my Neptune which sits on my Eros / psyche midpoint with his name trine his ASC, and Valentine with my Eros and trine my sun, psyche. Setting off the ( grand trine) soulmates interesting !!!

I am anticipating my soulmate returning but feel unsure I was devastated when he left me and it has been a long time. Plus the abuse the ex karmic person inflicted and lies he told, holding on and not releasing then on top of everything my twin dealing with a false twin who he is leaving. Maybe my soulmate is not coming back and my twin is stepping in I truly just don't know anymore.

posted June 25, 2016 03:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Lucia23:
If you studied thousands of random pairs like this as a control group, I think statistically you would find plenty of people who will never meet and never can with the same strong synastry/composite/asteroid connections as the happy, mutual romantic couples who identify themselves as Twin Flames.

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posted June 25, 2016 04:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lucia23:
[b] If you studied thousands of random pairs like this as a control group, I think statistically you would find plenty of people who will never meet and never can with the same strong synastry/composite/asteroid connections as the happy, mutual romantic couples who identify themselves as Twin Flames.

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My suspicion---although it would be really fascinating to test this hypothesis by looking at, say, 100,000 couples where both parties are in a mutual marital/cohabiting relationship and self-identify as each other's "twin flames", and then a control group of 100,000 totally random charts of people who haven't met----and you would of course have to exclude couples in an arranged marriage who used an astrologer from the self-identified twin flame group-----is that synastries and composites can map trends in the energy of the relationship with some accuracy, but can't be used as the whole picture.

Dynamics in each natal chart, and dynamics in each person's life that I suspect might not be mappable by astrology at all, also play a big role. I suspect that mathematically and statistically, every human on earth has a lot of exact asteroid conjunctions with a lot of strangers they will never meet, and also with people who might not want a relationship with them, and a lot of probably-inaccurate rationalization is required to make it all check out.

I think synastry and composites are useful as tools for looking at possibilities, symbolic energies, areas of harmony or challenge----they aren't complete nonsense---but I am very skeptical that they can be accurately used as tools to predict that any two people are twin flames. skeptical, but interested and excited to learn more/hear research findings.

i just think that statistically, based on the probability of an aspect in the composite and the number of people on earth, you'd probably get a lot of false positives.

Twin Flames who find each other in this lifetime are supposed to be incredibly rare and incredibly highly evolved---I suspect a lot of the self-declared Twin Flames who found each other might just be ordinary people who are in romantic partnerships with people they love, and it feels good to them to believe that the connection is special and fated. But it would still be exciting if, say, 97% of the couples in the sample of 100,000 self-declared Twin Flames Who Found Each Other couples had an exact conjunction between asteroid TwooWuvForever and asteroid Karma in their synastries, and 4% of the control group of random strangers had that conjunction.

My suspicion would be that if you did the large-scale statistical research with a proper control group, there would be some trends differentiating people in actual relationships (60% of the real couples with exact planet-angle conjunctions, for example, versus 35% of the control group).....but nothing like exact, consistent markers.

The astrologers here are excellent---but I'm very skeptical about the hypotheses.

posted June 25, 2016 05:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Lucia23:
My suspicion---although it would be really fascinating to test this hypothesis by looking at, say, 100,000 couples where both parties are in a mutual marital/cohabiting relationship and self-identify as each other's "twin flames", and then a control group of 100,000 totally random charts of people who haven't met----and you would of course have to exclude couples in an arranged marriage who used an astrologer from the self-identified twin flame group-----is that synastries and composites can map trends in the energy of the relationship with some accuracy, but can't be used as the whole picture.

Dynamics in each natal chart, and dynamics in each person's life that I suspect might not be mappable by astrology at all, also play a big role. I suspect that mathematically and statistically, every human on earth has a lot of exact asteroid conjunctions with a lot of strangers they will never meet, and also with people who might not want a relationship with them, and a lot of probably-inaccurate rationalization is required to make it all check out.

I think synastry and composites are useful as tools for looking at possibilities, symbolic energies, areas of harmony or challenge----they aren't complete nonsense---but I am very skeptical that they can be accurately used as tools to predict that any two people are twin flames. skeptical, but interested and excited to learn more/hear research findings.

i just think that statistically, based on the probability of an aspect in the composite and the number of people on earth, you'd probably get a lot of false positives.

Twin Flames who find each other in this lifetime are supposed to be incredibly rare and incredibly highly evolved---I suspect a lot of the self-declared Twin Flames who found each other might just be ordinary people who are in romantic partnerships with people they love, and it feels good to them to believe that the connection is special and fated. But it would still be exciting if, say, 97% of the couples in the sample of 100,000 self-declared Twin Flames Who Found Each Other couples had an exact conjunction between asteroid TwooWuvForever and asteroid Karma in their synastries, and 4% of the control group of random strangers had that conjunction.

My suspicion would be that if you did the large-scale statistical research with a proper control group, there would be some trends differentiating people in actual relationships (60% of the real couples with exact planet-angle conjunctions, for example, versus 35% of the control group).....but nothing like exact, consistent markers.

The astrologers here are excellent---but I'm very skeptical about the hypotheses.

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I respectfully disagree, Lucia there is a big difference between the charts of a couple and the charts of a non-couple. The argument that we have close aspects with people we never meet in person doesn't stand, in my view, considering that astrology is a mirror of reality, and only the people we do meet matter and the fact that we meet those specific people and not the other millions with whom we have the same aspect is not random.

There are many statistically identifiable markers for long-term happy couples, because the archetypes of love and relationships are reflected and comprised in the astrological myths and archetypes.

Once Venus becomes a love symbol for the human mind, for example, it will always embody the cycles and torments of love.

Also, everything happening in life is astrologically visible. Otherwise, it would be like denying astrology, but it works.

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posted June 25, 2016 05:32 PM            

If you know of any statistical studies comparing marital markers to a control group, could you please link to them (or cite them, if they're not online)? I haven't found anything that holds up statistically, but I'm not an astrologer and I don't know a lot of the literature.

Taking into account what you're saying about "only the people we do meet matter," and meeting them isn't random.....I have seen a LOT of people posting on sites like this one, "Is this Scorpio my Twin Flame? My asteroid ImSoDesperateAndTherapyDoesntHelp is exactly conjunct his Union!!! He told me to stop contacting him. He gives me lots of intense eye contact, almost like he's frightened. That must mean the intensity of our connection is too much for him!" And then people look at the synastry and say things about karmic relationships.....

Not only will each of us, statistically, have relationship markers with strangers.....we'll also have them with people we meet. So it's easy to misuse these technologies to fantasize some special fated romantic connection that does not exist. That's one reason why the Twin Flame Astrology Initiative 1.0 came up with soooo many false positives that this thread is about scrapping it and trying again.

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posted June 25, 2016 06:40 PM            

Lucia, I love how your mind think. Imo this research needs unbiased approaches like the ones you are suggested.

I suggest only studying people who have been together for at least 20 years. Historical couples are also a good subject even if we may not have the crucial information of their birth time.

Also, among the researchers, a good mix of believers, non-believers and neutral on the subject of Twin Flame will help maintain the integrity of the research.

posted June 25, 2016 07:32 PM            

LeeLoo, I haven't read that whole thread, but in the 5-6 pages I looked it, it seems to have a lot of tests where the astrologers have a 50% chance of being right....and also where astrology is used in ways I'm not skeptical about----(the year that someone who actually did get married and divorced got married or divorced;; which siblings who are actually related to each other and really exist get along better--we know that they're a family).

In my personal experience, an astrologer here (IQ) gave me a reading of my synastry and composite with someone that was so uncannily accurate that it predicted things I never could have imagined, and was more accurate than my intuition and my intellectual analysis of a situation dear to me/person i knew in real life--and I have an 8th house stellium, usually-accurate intuition and am not stupid! I have no doubts that astrology can work, although I do doubt it can completely map the world---

There's just a huge difference between using it to look at complex dynamics in a natal chart or synastry, predicting trends towards life events.....and using asteroids that fall into 100% of people's charts to indicate something that by all accounts is incredibly rare---finding one's Twin Flame in this lifetime. Even if you aren't skeptical about the concept of Twin Flames, it's supposed to be very very rare and only happen to highly-evolved people, so the right markers for it to work statistically *would not exist AT ALL* in most of our natal charts---whereas, the things we look at in synastries/composites when we just want to understand likely dynamics of existing relationships, not score and rate them on a scale or use them to validate our fantasies, DO belong in all of our charts.

I do believe that astrology works predictively when used in a nuanced way, but I think it's a map, and a map is not the territory. That's why this thread is heading in a more fruitful direction than the one years ago,---it will point to interesting markers common in synastries/composites of people who FEEL like "Twin Flames" in their relationships and who have mutual, long-term relationships.

posted June 25, 2016 08:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Lucia23:
Thank you, Belage and LeeLoo!

LeeLoo, I haven't read that whole thread, but in the 5-6 pages I looked it, it seems to have a lot of tests where the astrologers have a 50% chance of being right....and also where astrology is used in ways I'm not skeptical about----(the year that someone who actually did get married and divorced got married or divorced;; which siblings who are actually related to each other and really exist get along better--we know that they're a family).

In my personal experience, an astrologer here (IQ) gave me a reading of my synastry and composite with someone that was so uncannily accurate that it predicted things I never could have imagined, and was more accurate than my intuition and my intellectual analysis of a situation dear to me/person i knew in real life--and I have an 8th house stellium, usually-accurate intuition and am not stupid! I have no doubts that astrology can work, although I do doubt it can completely map the world---

There's just a huge difference between using it to look at complex dynamics in a natal chart or synastry, predicting trends towards life events.....and using asteroids that fall into 100% of people's charts to indicate something that by all accounts is incredibly rare---finding one's Twin Flame in this lifetime. Even if you aren't skeptical about the concept of Twin Flames, it's supposed to be very very rare and only happen to highly-evolved people, so the right markers for it to work statistically *would not exist AT ALL* in most of our natal charts---whereas, the things we look at in synastries/composites when we just want to understand likely dynamics of existing relationships, not score and rate them on a scale or use them to validate our fantasies, DO belong in all of our charts.

I do believe that astrology works predictively when used in a nuanced way, but I think it's a map, and a map is not the territory. That's why this thread is heading in a more fruitful direction than the one years ago,---it will point to interesting markers common in synastries/composites of people who FEEL like "Twin Flames" in their relationships and who have mutual, long-term relationships.

But it won't account for the people in need of a therapist who score high on the Twin Flame list with their colleague who is threatening to get a restraining order (because he's "running away from the powerful connection between us")....,and then people online will explain that he's not the poster's Twin Flame, he's just a soulmate and it's a "karmic relationship"-----when really, it isn't anything but someone obsessive (which I believe will be readable in their natal, and the aspects/placements indicating that could be tested on a large scale and found accurate) using this very alluring idea of a Twin Flame or Soulmate calculator to glorify their relationship or non-relationship. And it's likely to conflate good-long-term-relationship indicators with Twin Flame indicators.

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posted June 25, 2016 09:26 PM            

In terms of my own personal beliefs, I hope very much to find and form (or strengthen) deep, happy, mutually loving relationships in this lifetime--whether they're romantic, platonic, familial or some combination. I'm not that drawn to the idea of Twin Flames--I think at a higher level, we're ALL soulmates and part of the same soul--and at a more everyday level, I love what Ceridwen said--that she prefers the idea of studying happy, loving, lasting couples without putting a label to them.

She also mentioned--accurately, I think--that there isn't an agreed-upon definition for Twin Flame--there are several floating around.

I think some ideas about Twin Flames and Soulmates can be used to pretty up awful relationships ("we were soulmates and it was a karmic lesson" etc etc--when really it wasn't so mystical) and/or for one fixated person to fantasize about and glorify a relationship that really isn't mutual and really isn't even a relationship.

If it's true that, counter to the websites I read, finding your Twin doesn't require any particular level of evolution, that worries me even more----then there's no deterrent or discouragement for people to decide, based on the conjunctions between asteroids Union and Desperate, that the Pisces they met online who slept with them once and hasn't called, or the Virgo colleague who asked them to please leave him alone, is really their Twin and he's just running away because he's scared about the karmic depths of their connection (versus running away because he's scared because they're a loony stalker.)

posted June 26, 2016 01:01 AM            

two people who identify as twin flames and are fully out together as such...

being as it is, I guess that working within that conceptual framework makes sense. Let's study people who adhere to the twin flame theory/melodious. (That was autocorrect. I wrote methodology )... anyway let's study those people, and we'll get a certain kind of person, a certain kind of couple of people.... There might be similarities between these pairs... there might not. A strong emphasis on the importance of deep committed relationship I wouldn't be surprised to see in the natals of those people. The similarities we see between them would be correlated though to the whole twin flame framework... somehow. Their reasons for identifying with the twin flame thing will be different of course... as individual as any unique being in the countless universes...

So of course twin flames could (according to the theories) be people of any variety who have found their twin... so they could be profoundly uncomfortable with the whole concept as it is sold on the Internet, and they might not be "out" about it in any way...

Be that as it may, working with people who identify as twin flames seems like a very sensible starting point if one is going to research this phenomena.

And while it may have a substantial phenomenology, twin flame methodology is largely a conceptual framework, not necessarily an absolute spiritual/physical/consensual reality.. except for the people experiencing it as being true...

Likely we have no way of verifying truth.. that is antithetical...

posted June 26, 2016 04:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Lucia23:
Thank you, Belage and LeeLoo!

LeeLoo, I haven't read that whole thread, but in the 5-6 pages I looked it, it seems to have a lot of tests where the astrologers have a 50% chance of being right....and also where astrology is used in ways I'm not skeptical about----(the year that someone who actually did get married and divorced got married or divorced;; which siblings who are actually related to each other and really exist get along better--we know that they're a family).

In my personal experience, an astrologer here (IQ) gave me a reading of my synastry and composite with someone that was so uncannily accurate that it predicted things I never could have imagined, and was more accurate than my intuition and my intellectual analysis of a situation dear to me/person i knew in real life--and I have an 8th house stellium, usually-accurate intuition and am not stupid! I have no doubts that astrology can work, although I do doubt it can completely map the world---

There's just a huge difference between using it to look at complex dynamics in a natal chart or synastry, predicting trends towards life events.....and using asteroids that fall into 100% of people's charts to indicate something that by all accounts is incredibly rare---finding one's Twin Flame in this lifetime. Even if you aren't skeptical about the concept of Twin Flames, it's supposed to be very very rare and only happen to highly-evolved people, so the right markers for it to work statistically *would not exist AT ALL* in most of our natal charts---whereas, the things we look at in synastries/composites when we just want to understand likely dynamics of existing relationships, not score and rate them on a scale or use them to validate our fantasies, DO belong in all of our charts.

I do believe that astrology works predictively when used in a nuanced way, but I think it's a map, and a map is not the territory. That's why this thread is heading in a more fruitful direction than the one years ago,---it will point to interesting markers common in synastries/composites of people who FEEL like "Twin Flames" in their relationships and who have mutual, long-term relationships.

But it won't account for the people in need of a therapist who score high on the Twin Flame list with their colleague who is threatening to get a restraining order (because he's "running away from the powerful connection between us")....,and then people online will explain that he's not the poster's Twin Flame, he's just a soulmate and it's a "karmic relationship"-----when really, it isn't anything but someone obsessive (which I believe will be readable in their natal, and the aspects/placements indicating that could be tested on a large scale and found accurate) using this very alluring idea of a Twin Flame or Soulmate calculator to glorify their relationship or non-relationship. And it's likely to conflate good-long-term-relationship indicators with Twin Flame indicators.

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I wasn't talking about TFs, but about your claim that there are no astrological qualitative markers of relationships. It's the same with saying relational astrology is non-existent.

The comment about the astrologers on that thread having 50% chances sounds as if it was a random draw, no reason to minimize the research on that thread. But no, you can match a chart to a story precisely because these markers exist. By markers I mean that specific symbolic combinations (represented by the planets etc.) match specific stories. That's how they identified the sibling.

When it comes to TFs, apparently we share the same view. My vision on TFs is linked to Plato's original concept of TF: the highest form of "matching", the perfect, final love. Obviously, only our highly evolved spiritual state, once we get there, will allow us to live this love, in harmony and togetherness. But everybody has a twinsoul and they evolve towards this final union. It's an ideal. I never discuss TFs for a relationship if the two people haven't been in a mutually loving relationship for a while.

The point here is, to me, that first we need to learn to identify true, genuine, lasting and shared love. And we can do it, with astrology. There are astrological markers. Because they reflect the archetypes of love: chemistry, attraction, mental compatibility, shared views and values, compatible personalities, mutual devotion, mutual growth, longtermness and mutual fate.

A TF chart only takes astrological love to another level, close to perfection. But it embodies the same criteria. At this point, it's a theoretical model only, for no astrologer has made a TF research official.

The reason examples like you give happen, and I agree they do, is because the concept has been improperly used in connection to unrequited love scenarios, for monetary or self-justifying/delusion reasons or other reasons, maybe one of them is the return of mythology, which is not bad. Everyone wants to be a superhero, everyone wants a TF.

There is going to be no TF until we are exquisite by ourselves, and when both TFs are ready and they meet, they experience paradise together, not restraining orders.

However, highly harmonious love relationships, which exist and are models to all of us, are the closest to TFs we can get, for now.

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posted June 26, 2016 04:55 AM            

i agree that it would be interesting and fruitful to look at the (tiny) sample of people who are actually living together in one-on-one romantic relationships where both partners self-identify as twin flames.

But does that mean all of the people who believe they've found their twins, but are not actually in relationships with them, and the supposed twin doesn't identify as such (and isn't even involved with them) won't be included?

posted June 26, 2016 05:34 AM            

The twinflame Part is Guess work at best.

Even if two People identify as twinflame it might not always be the truth.

Conversely some couples Who would be considered as twinflame by others might never call themselves that.

I mean for example my Parents Tick all the boxen (except for the drama. They met, Talked, Fell in love and stayed together.no runner, no chaser. They had to face some unusual and difficult life experience but they were in it together. And they changed lokal Society a Bit by the way they handled those circumstances.)

posted June 26, 2016 05:37 AM            

Maybe one of them isn't even aware of the concept, but they definitely would do anything to be with their other half and they can't be with anyone else anymore, forever.

Although based on my experience and the examples I know, and the story itself, one first becomes spiritually aware of the existence of their TF and experiences a personal transformation before entering a TF-stage relationship, because this allows them to make the final preparations for the union.

The very concept of "Twinflame" is a UNION in its absolute form.

You can see why I embrace this idea in my chart Mars in Libra (0) Union in Libra (0) with Mars ruling the 3rd conj Mercury. It's not my idea though, it was conceptualized by one of the greatest minds, but it does exist in all cultures.

And I agree with everything Ceri says, I don't mind discussing the theoretical model of the mythological TF, which has to look like a perfectly compatible synastry + composite, the perfect match between those two people, but before that, we have the couple and there can be no TF analysis if we don't have at least the charts of a great, happy, harmonious, lasting love to even start considering they might be TFs.
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