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todd
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posted July 19, 2016 03:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Lucia23
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posted July 19, 2016 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(((Koniucha)))

I read this this morning and wish I could surround you and daughter with love and healing and protection and great happiness and ease.

Composites don't resonate with me as much as synastry, and I don't really know how to read them myself---but surely they represent possibilities and probabilities and red flags rather than what's literal and exact? As a researcher, I've looked at child sexual abuse and it is rare for someone to literally give an eight-year-old alcohol. Any dynamic where a child has an alcoholic parent or a more-often-than-not absent parent (sadly, speaking from experience as a nine-year-old, not a researcher here!!!) can be toxic and bring up hard-to-deal-with dynamics---if you have a good and right counselor, counseling is never a bad plan in any family with alcoholism----I wonder if the chart could also be read as covert dynamics?

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posted July 19, 2016 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koniucha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have not lived with him for about five years now. Prior to that, I was a stay at home mom for about two years, just going to school. Even now, he only comes over to see her at my home, with me there.

She has always been very honest and open with me. She tells me everything. I asked her if he ever gave her alcohol and she said no. I really don't believe anything like this has happened.

Could all of this be 'potential to happen'?

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Koniucha
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posted July 19, 2016 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koniucha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 19, 2016 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun square Mars--may need something active that she like to focus anger/aggression like martial arts.

With children, an activity they love can transform their lives

I had that with music.

With her, she may struggle /be afraid of her anger and aggression, as most of us are, but Sun/Mars in hard aspect may have a harder time.

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posted July 19, 2016 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koniucha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Sun square Mars--may need something active that she like to focus anger/aggression like martial arts.

With children, an activity they love can transform their lives

I had that with music.

With her, she may struggle /be afraid of her anger and aggression, as most of us are, but Sun/Mars in hard aspect may have a harder time.


I agree. She is very active in gymnastics for the past year. She is so natural there. I will do some karate for her too. She does get quite angry. But I just let her go and then try to get her to relax after.

One day she got very angry, then had to lay down because her head hurt. I think her blood pressure rose.

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todd
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posted July 19, 2016 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mobile did you not show the second page my mistake

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posted July 19, 2016 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koniucha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Your husband is abusing your daughter I posted a full interpretation and it has been deleted I suggest you stop allowing her to go to his house if he wants to see her make him come to your house do not allow him unsupervised visitation
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I saw your post. He is not my husband, we have been not lived together for over five years now. She has never gone with him alone to his house.

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posted July 19, 2016 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koniucha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will ask him if he has ever given her alcohol and see how he responds.

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posted July 19, 2016 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted July 19, 2016 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koniucha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Something is radically wrong when a child says she hates her mother .I have counseled many recovering alcoholics and virtually all the women had been sexually abused as children it is very common to have alcohol involved with systematic abuse. You mentioned your ex was always drunk. do you believe he doesn't drink when your daughter is with him. you say your daughter tells you everything, then there should be no problem, simply ask her why she hates you.
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Ok, thanks.

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posted July 19, 2016 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koniucha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have asked her and she doesn't have a reason for me.

I will say this, that even though she tells me this, she does hold my hand when we go to the store and is always hugging me. She always calls me when is with my mom to just talk.

I don't feel any hate from her.

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posted July 19, 2016 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Todd, I posted a father-daughter composite in a different thread and would be grateful to hear your thoughts. I can't read composites.

@Koniucha, I wanted to ask if your daughter is an animal lover (with that Pisces Moon, Sag rising, and being nine)--if she is, that would be another high-vibe thing you could do together, hang out with some gentle animals.

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posted July 19, 2016 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koniucha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@Todd, I posted a father-daughter composite in a different thread and would be grateful to hear your thoughts. I can't read composites.

@Koniucha, I wanted to ask if your daughter is an animal lover (with that Pisces Moon, Sag rising, and being nine)--if she is, that would be another high-vibe thing you could do together, hang out with some gentle animals.


Yes, she is an animal lover. In fact, the other day she was with my mom, my mom told her that she killed a scorpion and my daughter was crying for it.

We have many pets; a horse, dog, cat, fish.

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posted July 19, 2016 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are doing all the right things!!!! Unconditional love, limited contact with the alcoholic dad, stable home with animals, caring enough to be willing to do whatever's needed to be there for her. I would just wait until tUranus stops opposing her Mercury and tSaturn clears your 12th house---should bring some healing and peace, I hope.

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posted July 19, 2016 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koniucha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lucia23:
You are doing all the right things!!!! Unconditional love, limited contact with the alcoholic dad, stable home with animals, caring enough to be willing to do whatever's needed to be there for her. I would just wait until tUranus stops opposing her Mercury and tSaturn clears your 12th house---should bring some healing and peace, I hope.

Thank you.

I just don't know what to think about what todd said. I really don't feel like that happened. I don't want to accuse anyone of something like that, if they didn't do anything. I asked my daughter this morning if he ever gave her alcohol and she said no.

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posted July 19, 2016 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think (from your descriptions of her dad and the situation, not from the composite, since I can't read composites) that it could be an accurate reading of the potential of the situation and covert psychological dynamics in the situation---all kinds of inappropriate dynamics can flourish in an alcoholic situation. Due to your good mothering, your daughter isn't stuck in that situation with a regular home life with her dad.

The single mother/only daughter/crappy and/or mostly-absent father dynamic is unique and very intense and insular and inherently painful--there's nothing any mother can do to make it not suck. I do think it's normal for a child to have complicated feelings towards both parents in that situation, and to lash out at (paradoxically and ironically) the closer parent--the safe parent who isn't going anywhere! I think the sex abuse red flags could describe some covert Freudian vibes hanging around the situation, rather than overt sexual abuse....and the alcohol red flags could describe toxic alcoholism in the situation more generally (or other manifestations of afflicted Neptune--lying, escapism, unreliability? I wish I could read composites too)......it's hard for me to believe your ex would be literally plying his 8-year-old with alcohol. Also the part about making her addicted, and that causing her to be in his thrall??? His time with her is very limited. And the composite applies to a relationship over the course of a lifetime, right? If I COULD read composites and I saw that stuff in it, I would probably read it as:
-his drinking around her causes a toxic dynamic
-when she's older, she'll have to take care not to become alcoholic due to the family-alcoholism legacy in this relationship--if she does abuse alcohol, it could connect to toxic sexual behavior due to the legacy of having a yucky father


I personally think charts can show probabilities and possibilities and potentialities, nothing definite. Sex and sexuality--the relationship between vibes/covert undertones and overtones/Freudian dynamics and actual incest--is complicated to read in natals and synastry (both of which I do read). Maybe complicated in composites also.

if you found a wonderful counselor, there'd be no harm in seeing someone--I'm a believer in counseling just as a life-improvement tool, whether or not there's a problem. In the place I used to live, I knew a therapist who was trained in animal therapy, using horses to help teens and preteens work with their emotions.


I wouldn't accuse anyone of sexual abuse based on astrology alone, and I wouldn't grill your kid about this stuff when I think she DOES love you and is having issues around talking about feelings---what Faith said about her picking up on your feelings goes both ways, with your watery moons the emotional dynamics are complicated. What I would personally do in your situation, if I had the resources and could find the right person, is see a really good counselor MYSELF who has expertise in alcoholic family dynamics, sexual abuse, parenting etc. I would get advice from that person about the best ways to help my daughter navigate her family dynamics and feelings.

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posted July 19, 2016 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also I don't think it's too weird or rare or a kid to have ambivalence about relatives over the course of a lifetime---and telling a parent you hate her is not that unusual, in my opinion.

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posted July 19, 2016 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koniucha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Lucia

Thank you

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