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Orange
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posted July 23, 2016 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you check and see if in your progressed Composite Charts the rulers of the 1st and 7th houses ( both the regular composite and the progressed composite rulers) were active at the beginning of the relationship - in my examples, the 1st-7th angle rulers were conjunct each other OR were in conjunction with the Sun or Venus at the beginning of the relationship.

for example - I was looking at the progressed composite for the time when our relationship started, and nothing in particular grabbed my attention until I saw that Mercury was in exact conjunction to Saturn. I didnt pay much attention to Mercury until I realized that Mercury is the 1st house ruler in our regular Composite and Saturn is the ruler of 7th house in the progressed Composite ( the progressed axis is Cancer-Capricon, the regular composite axis is Gemini- Saggy).

Then I looked at other progressed Composites and the 1st-7th axis rulers were always in conjunction to an important planet like Sun and Venus or conjunct each other when a relationship began.

Do you have that too i your composites?

The birth times of the people need to be known, thou, not just speculative.

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posted July 23, 2016 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With former fiance, midpt composite

ASC ruler Venus 22Sco32 conj POF 20Sco00 and DESC 25Sco45.

DESC co-rulers Mars 22Aqua30 conj Chiron 22Aqua25 near MC, and Pluto 11Sag11 conj 7H BML 12Sag00.

How could there be a prog composite chart at beginning of relationship?

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Originally posted by Orange:
Can you check and see if in your progressed Composite Charts the rulers of the 1st and 7th houses ( both the regular composite and the progressed composite rulers) were active at the beginning of the relationship - in my examples, the 1st-7th angle rulers were conjunct each other OR were in conjunction with the Sun or Venus at the beginning of the relationship.

for example - I was looking at the progressed composite for the time when our relationship started, and nothing in particular grabbed my attention until I saw that Mercury was in exact conjunction to Saturn. I didnt pay much attention to Mercury until I realized that Mercury is the 1st house ruler in our regular Composite and Saturn is the ruler of 7th house in the progressed Composite ( the progressed axis is Cancer-Capricon, the regular composite axis is Gemini- Saggy).

Then I looked at other progressed Composites and the 1st-7th axis rulers were always in conjunction to an important planet like Sun and Venus or conjunct each other when a relationship began.

Do you have that too i your composites?

The birth times of the people need to be known, thou, not just speculative.


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posted July 23, 2016 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
com,

set the progressed composite chart for the date the relationship started ( on astro.com_. Progressed charts evolve every day but you need to see how it looked like on the day of the beginning.

btw, you still didnt tell me my synastry's synergy number or ratio ...

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posted July 23, 2016 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oran, the composite begins on the date the relationship manifests; that's the date I used to compare. This is not a current relationship ("former fiance")--so there is not a progressed date.

Our synastry potential scale value is 90%. We were madly in love during the entire year we spent together; it was like heaven on Earth.

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com,

set the progressed composite chart for the date the relationship started ( on astro.com_. Progressed charts evolve every day but you need to see how it looked like on the day of the beginning.

btw, you still didnt tell me my synastry's synergy number or ratio ...


I don't see a synastry overlay here; please post, and I'll give you a value.

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posted July 23, 2016 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
can I email it somewhere?

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posted July 24, 2016 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're right Orange.
Our 1st ruler Mercury (in regular compo) was conjunct the Sun in our progressed compo (within 2 appl.) and it's still applying. Slow movers there.

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posted July 24, 2016 06:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will do a check of my parents, best friend and my brother. That should be an interesting (small) research.

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posted July 24, 2016 06:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my parents
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when they first met (and they pretty much began dating within days)
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nc-1st ruler: Sun
nc - 7th ruler: Uranus (Saturn)
nc - ASC: 14 Leo
nc - Sun: 19 Sag
nc - Venus: 1 Sag
nc - Uranus: 7 Cancer
nc-Saturn: 28 Virgo

pc-1st ruler: Sun
pc-7th ruler: Uranus (Saturn)
pc ASC: 29 Leo

pc-Sun: 9 Cap
pc - Venus: 4 Sag
pc- Uranus: 7 Cancer
pc- Saturn: 29 Virgo


pc-Sun (1st ruler) opposite. pc Uranus (7th ruler) 2 degrees separating:
I guess they should have met 2 years prior.

To be honest this is not a really strong progressed picture.

However they also had pMoon square pSun exact 2 months prior.
And around that time pMoon was also passing over the Sun/Uranus-mp in the progressions (the point of integration for 1st and 7th house rulers)


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at the time of their marriage

nc-1st ruler: Sun
nc - 7th ruler: Uranus (Saturn)
nc - ASC: 14 Leo
nc - Sun: 19 Sag
nc - Venus: 1 Sag
nc - Uranus: 7 Cancer
nc-Saturn: 28 Virgo

pc-Sun: 13 Cap
pc-Uranus: 7 Cancer

pc-ASC 1 Virgo
pc Mercury: 10 Cap
pc Neptune: 18 Libra
pc Sun: 13 Cap
pc Venus: 6 Sag


nc 1st house ruler Sun sextile pc 7th house ruler Neptune: 1 degree

nc Venus square pc ASC and DESC exact, hence nc Venus falling onto the ASC/DESC-mp


but they also had

pc Sun on 13 Cap in applying opposition to n Moon 14 Cancer.


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Orange
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posted July 24, 2016 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ceri,
your parent's birth time is not rally confirmed so the progressed angles might be different.
let's see about your friend and brother, that would be more accurate

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posted July 24, 2016 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course my parents birthtime is confirmed (and rectified).

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posted July 24, 2016 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you were speculating once that your mother's asc might be shifted.
Rectified, I am not so sure about it
needs to be from a birth certifcate

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posted July 24, 2016 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually no, doesn`t need to be from birthcertificate, though it would be nice if it did.

But well my rectification put her angles in the spotlight (minutes of orb) to progressed planets and major transits at really cutting events in her life (including the death of her brother, her mother and her marriage), the rectified ascendant responds like clockwork to progressions and transits, so my rectification is at least as good as a birthcertificate.


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posted July 24, 2016 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nevertheless

my friend and her husband:

approximately when they got together (hard to tell since they slid from friendship into lovers mode)

c-ASC 10 Libra
nc Venus 7 Scorpio
nc Mars 14 Leo
nc Sun 15 Scorpio
nc Moon 15 Pisces

pc-ASC 5 Taurus
pc Venus 7 Sag
pc Pluto 11 Libra
pc Sun 10 Sag
pc Moon 11 Aqua


pc DESC conjunct nc ruler 1, Venus 2 degrees applying

pc Moon sextile pc Sun 1 degree separating
(Moon is her natal ASC-ruler and his natal DESC-ruler, with Sun ruling his intercepted 7th house)

and apparently a 3 degree conjunction of Sun and Venus in progressed composite, applying, and I guess becoming exact over the next 2-3 years.


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marriage


pc ASC 11 Taurus
pc Venus 12 Sag (exact conj. Neptune)
pc Sun 14 Sag
pc Pluto 11 Libra
pc Moon 8 Aries


pc Moon conjunct c-DESC 2 degrees applying
pc Venus trine c-Mars 2 degrees applying
c-Mars trine pc Sun exact (Mars ruling the DESC in natal composite)

pc Sun square c-Moon 1 degree applying

pc Venus still applying to pc Sun 2 degrees

pc Venus sextile pc Pluto 1 degree separating


birth of first child
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pc ASC 14 Taurus

pc Venus 16 Sag
pc Pluto 11 Libra
pc Mars 24 Leo
pc Sun 17 Sag
pc Moon 10 Taurus

pc ASC square c-Mars exact
(their first born child is an Aries-son/sun )

pc DESC conjunct c-Sun 1 degree applying

pc Venus conjunct pc Sun 1 degree applying


BTW their progressed composite Sun-Venus-conjunction was exact in 2014.


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posted July 24, 2016 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my brother and his girlfriend
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when they got together


c ASC 10 Aries
Mars 1 Aqua
Venus 23 Pisces
Sun 21 Pisces
Moon 3 Scorpio


pc -ASC 23 Taurus
Venus 21 Aries
Pluto 29 Libra
Mars 11 Aqua
Sun 13 Aries
Moon 26 Leo

not much really, as far as I see (they were having pSun sesisquare pMoon though).

this year, as they are expecting their first child
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pc ASC 7 Gemini
pc Mercury 3 Taurus
pc Jupiter 26 Sag
pc Venus 3 Taurus
pc Mars 14 Aqua
pc Sun 23 Aries
pc Moon 15 Cap


° pc Mercury conjunct pc Venus and both oppose c Moon
Mercury ruling the pc ASC and Venus the c-ASC


the lunar phase is an applying last quarter Moon (will peak next april, and doing so with the Sun conjunct her natal ASC).

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posted July 24, 2016 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok, so in your brothers case, their PROG Composite Sun moved on top of their Composite ASC/DSC when they started going out.

And their Composite Venus at 23' Pisces was in exact trine to their progressed composite DSC at 23' Scorpio

that's good, especially the conjunction to the progressed ASC/DSC

how long they have been together? It looks like more than 10 years, based on the degrees of the progressions.?

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posted July 24, 2016 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Orange:
ok, so in your brothers case, their PROG Composite Sun moved on top of their Composite ASC/DSC when they started going out.


No. It had been on top of it 3 years before them starting to go out.

However it might be that it coincided with them meeting (they met when both had their social year at a school for disabled kids and started out as, well friends, enemies, who can know? lol
Actually he complained back then she had been so moody with him, one day being friendly, the other being a real ***** , giving him a hard time, especially when he was flirting with other girls, but not really having serious intentions, and even more so when he seemed to have serious intentions, it was actually my mom who had to spell it out to him, that she probably was interested in a little more than a friendship. ).

Interestingly, and we are not a good example, I know, I know, Mr Sag and me had pc-Sun conjunct our c-ASC within 2 minutes or so, when he first approached me during a concert, teasing me pretty much all evening through. lol I didn`t quite get it.

Interestingly enough we have a Leo-DESC in composite, So pc Sun represented the progressed DESC-ruler on the c-ASC.

(interestingly currently the pcMC has started to apply to a conjunction with cSun 1,5 degrees applying)


pcMercury is sextile pc Neptune within half a degree applying (Mercury and Neptune ruling the pc horizon) with cVenus right on the midpoint.


I guess such things do not ALWAYS coincide with relationship, but might sometimes simply indicate meetings, or communication or whatever (it is pretty obvious though that our interaction has changed and become more "communicative" for lack of better word)

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posted July 24, 2016 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My brother and his girlfriend have been together officially for 10 years this year.

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posted July 24, 2016 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Woke up this morning and it suddenly went through my mind that my Parents had an exact Venus/Mars conjunction in the progressed composite when it all started.

For sure Venus was the 1st ruler in their progressed composite at that time (and Mars the 7th ruler).
I always thought my mom was born at 10:40... and many years later she suddenly said that it was an hour earlier at about 9:40 and she was SURE about that! Well, that suddenly brought her a LATE Virgo-Asc tightly conjunct my dad's ASC (so yea that made sense) instead of a Libra one. Well, one way or the other, it makes Venus for sure a 1st ruler & Mars the 7th.

My dad's tob is rectified to the minute.

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posted July 24, 2016 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is really cool, Mir.

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posted July 24, 2016 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Mir

Interesting that the composite 1st-7th axiis rulers or the axis itself are activated at the onset of a relationship or at the time of marriage.

In one of my cases, the progressed Composite featured a Moon - Saturn conjunction at the time of marriage, which are the rulers of the 1st and 7 th house in the regular Composite ( Cancer- Cappy).

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posted July 24, 2016 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think though, it makes sense.
What else could be more descriptive of a relationship forming?

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posted July 24, 2016 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And in my example with the Aries love, i had completely ignored the Mercury - Saturn exact conjunction in the progressed Composite at the start of the rlshp, until i realized these two were the rulers of the 1st-7th axis in the regular and the progressed conposite.

As if- the ruler of the 1st progressed thru the years and finally conjoined with the ruler of the 7th and thats when it started

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posted July 24, 2016 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow...the composite chart with the Moon - Saturn conjunction in the progressed composite chart that I mentioned earlier......I just casted the progressed composite chart for the time of the separation, and the Moon and Saturn ( 1st and 7th rulers) were in an applying square ( 1') in the progressed composite at that time of separation.
Amazing stuff..

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posted July 25, 2016 06:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Orange:

As if- the ruler of the 1st progressed thru the years and finally conjoined with the ruler of the 7th and thats when it started


Yes, that is so fitting.


BTW not in terms of a composite, but in my own progressed chart I have pDESC applying to a conjunction with pSaturn (april 2017), and Saturn rules the progressed ASC.

At the current time it`s 0°51 applying, so just having come into one degree orb.

Additionally:

tertiary progressions:

tp ASC Leo,

hence Sun-Uranus being the horizon-rulers


tp Moon opposite n Mercury, DESC-ruler (1st - 5th august)

tp Moon opposite n Vertex (Sun/Moon-mp) 28th july- 2nd august


tp Sun opposite n Venus 31st july - 26th september


tp Moon opposite n Sun 3rd - 7th august (p: 5th august)


tp Moon conjunct tp Sun 25th - 29th august
tp Moon opposite n Venus 25th - 29th august


tp Vx conjunct n Mercury, r7 26th august - 27th october


tp Moon conjunct tp Venus 31st august - 4th september


in october/november tp Moon will cross tp ASC and in june 2017 tp Moon will cross n ASC.


and around the time the pr Saturn conjunct pr DESC Will be exact, in the tertiaries there will be


tp Moon conjunct tp IC 23 Libra
tp Moon opposite tp BML 27 Libra - Aries
tp Moon conjunct n/ tp Uranus 1-3 Scorpio
tp Moon conjunct tp NN 10 Scorpio
tp Mercury opposite n Venus 6 cancer- Cap
tp Venus conjunct n Vertex 21 Cancer
tp Moon opposite tp Jupiter 23 Scorpio

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posted July 25, 2016 07:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri, im rushing for work right now and will look at it later,
But Pitt & Jolie had Saturn on top of their progressed composite DSC when they got together inspite of everything.

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