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mir
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posted August 02, 2016 05:03 PM
  
Ow my gosh.. just see that we have Eros exactly conjunct (asteroid) Robot in our Composite while him having an exact Sun/Robot conjunction natally, Robot ;D.. heard Todd mentioning in another thread that the transiting node just went into the 13th deg of Virgo. Let's see what that brings with our compo Saturn/Node conj. at 12'59 & 12'36 Pisces (and just passed compo Asc Virgo at 15'20) IP: Logged |
mir
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posted August 02, 2016 07:51 PM
What a miracle.... (related to ^ transit node)~!Well, I woke up today and although we talked yesterday night (reassuring but not enough) I felt the big need again to share all my fears regarding sex & him (with him). After that I opened up here on this thread.
So, all out in the open I started to WRITE.... totally honest. Guess what... When I STARTED... transit Node: 12'58'23 Virgo OUR composite Node: 12'59'23 Pisces
Well, that's a special thing I guess! PLUS T node had JUST passed our compo node by a minute!
It's even more special that I just found a long letter back from him, written 2 hours later .. with so much understanding & love that it swept me off my feet! Was that HIM? reassuring to the core? Salving my wounds like THAT? I don't know him like that. OK, So guys... at least for how I see it NOW, it's a great thing to have T node conjunct/opposite your COMPO node! (despite having Saturn conjunct it) And another special thing is that I share the exact same transit here with ChildofVenus, and she spontaneously gave me her email, WOW!  ----- Yun, just ignore me when you have other things on your mind with your guy now, I can really understand that. And I always love to read you. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted August 03, 2016 02:15 PM
"Me
- Mars Aqua 19,5
- North Node Aqua 14,5
- Uranus Libra 10 (only a sextile to my Sun within 3 deg when staying with the ptolemaic aspects, which ofcourse is less interesting when seeing the amazing resonance in minor alignments of Uranus to both our Luminaries as a whole)It becomes even more interesting in the progressions. My Aqua Mars went finally direct in 2011 after 40 years, so a verrry slowww mover; - Mars Aqua 12'02
- North Node Aqua 14'06
- Uranus Libra 12'29 ^ all applying. It's btw interesting that you asked specificially about Mars & Uranus.. you can't see it more clear than with those in the progressed realm." -mir Fascinating, definitely! You are learning a lot a lot in this lifetime about the expression of passion when it feels absolutely right and for everybody involved... I'm tearing up a bit just thinking about it actually. I'm so so glad he responded in kind! When we truly open up and are honest and sincere with our partners, instead of scared or strategizing and maneuvering, miracles can indeed happen!! I'm really glad to hear that the reverse nodal return is working out for you! It's wild that you didn't see it coming, and now see everything lining up like that  and yes it is interesting that you've been discussing this with us and perhaps it helped open things up... The nodes seem truly to do with groups, the way others catalyze changes and developments and how we respond to and interact with others/the group/the cosmos... really they're kinda everything. ... well.. not eeeverything. The transiting north node will be opposite my north node on October 31st.... this recent new moon yesterday was on my ic/mc axis... And his.... lots of crazy stuff going on... Anyway... Mars has FINALLY entered Sagittarius for good, hence the breakthrough and the breath of fresh air. Yesterday/last few days was the culmination of this enormous Mars in Scorpio thing... I'm relieved... I didn't turn on my phone until today or log on to LL as I was indeed in the throes of trying to figure things out with him... It's really hard right now though... I kind of want to give up. He can be so mean... And it is catalyzing intense revelatory things for me, as in I get into meditative states where I truly see that I don't blame him and have this compassion born of the understanding that he is me and I am him, just as we all are... The illusion of separation is the cause of suffering... But I lose sight of that... It doesn't all change in a day.. It's like for this relationship to work I have to be PERFECT. his Saturn on my ascendant... Michelle Obama's Saturn is on Barack.Obama's Ascendant and sometimes I think I'm with him because I can't afford ANY slip ups on my life path and this is the most intense training... But it is exhausting and I just want to be vulnerable.. Which is actually what being perfect should entail... total softness... But then it gets messy cause it doesn't do anybody favours for me to be a doormat... And then I'm suspicious and trying to get things. Go my way... I'm just wanting to let go off all of it, totally release all desires... Buddhism again... And Taoism.. I truly see the merit in it but I've not practiced long enough. You can't expect these things to stick after one revelatOry day following sleeplessness... that's another tenet of Taoism... taking it easy lol... taking it slow... not celebrating victory prematurely, remaining humble to the nth degree... a major challenge, my major challenge... this darned plutonic sun, my egoism... it holds me back from serving the world... And being true to myself... all I really want to do, Pisces North Node in the 4th... But I can't disengage from the opinions of others... Mir, I rambled, too! I always always enjoy reading you too, every single post is a gem. I learn so much and value your honesty and realness very much. Feel like crying again. I don't really know about Vasya moons, I've heard the term. Do we have that? Please do send a link I am reluctant to hope with him.right now, I don't want to think anything about him, it's been so hard  But talking to you all and exploring the astrology helps me re balance and get perspective. I agree about the sexual aspect being a foundational thing for this kind of relationship... I'm so crazy into him that way, it just isn't going away. But it's not enough and he's been wondering if our relationship is too much, too painful, if we should stop causing each other all this pain. Our composite is really intense with Pluto conjunct South Node in Scorpio square the Sun Venus Mercury thing... And then it's his Saturn on the South Node and his Mars Mercury on the North Node... that north node is on my descendant.. so I get to thinking maybe the thing is kinda really edging away from encouraging my self expression... But then it's also the boomerang point of my natal yod, the composite north node... I over do it. Not very taoist of me.  ... Jupiter sextile Mars, both quincunx ascendant-vesta... The pain shows us the way through. He should know of anyone, with his Chiron conjunct Venus, and all he has been through and put himself through, etc., you don't really get love without pain... unless you're enlightened... And desireless... etc... even then though... Anyway... IP: Logged |
mir
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posted August 03, 2016 11:00 PM
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.. not celebrating victory prematurely,
That is so right. Nice today but the next day it's reduced to ashes.
Even Long lovely letters... Usually I prefer to refrain from being too enthusiastic here ;D IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted August 03, 2016 11:42 PM
It is wise.IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted August 04, 2016 03:02 AM
My issue... ok one of my issues lol... is seriously my Jupiter Mars ascendant yod... I way way over do it, regularly. Oh well... learning! Quincunxes are hard ok? IP: Logged |
12muddy
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posted August 04, 2016 05:51 AM
My mother has the sextile in her natal. Her juno trine his chiron. There is a semisquare in the composite. They were married, neither had serious relationship prior to the marriage. IP: Logged |
mir
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posted August 04, 2016 09:13 AM
You should be a comedian Yun. They associate the quincunx with comedians, I guess because of the tension it creates inside. Hm.. can't find that link now.. "Mine" also has a natal pretty tight Yod, Mars at the apex to Neptune/Pluto.
I swear, this guy has to be on stage, I even tried to encourage him. IP: Logged |
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posted August 04, 2016 09:15 AM
I read this whole thread last night.(((hug))) yun... I was crying a lot for a similar reason the other day. My husband made me feel second-best...something he has never done before. Took me a while to get my footing again, and even now I'm like: "WTF just happened???" He wishes he could take back things he said but....I'm still under the influence of an allergic reaction to that sting. Anyway, I hope you feel better  ...checking your other thread to see how it's going now..... IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted August 04, 2016 01:48 PM
Ahhhh no Faith I wrote a big long thing to you and my phone glitched I had to close the browser... darrnit.You are amazing. The mother of his children, the maker of his food, the sharer of his bed, the beauty and grace in his life... don't doubt it if he tries to reassure you... You two are TRIBE, big time... and even if you could be overtaken, well, you would find somebody who should overtake him... because what is special for one is special equally for both... I believe that... It's weird but I do... if it's real, you know...? D. invited his ex out to his family cabin as retaliation sort of, his natal yods really get the best of him and I need to learn to go easy on him... I had told him.I.would be hanging out with a past lover and he quietly secretly FLIPPED OUT. He, Taurus stellium, me, Scorpio stellium... I really don't mind his jealousy much, I want.tobe possessed... lol... But it's the twisted way he chose to go about making himself feel better that really got me. And I shouldn't have let it. Because it was just his sad fumbling with his Venus / Pluto * Neptune yod, and his SaturnPluto-Moon * Venus yod.... but still... anyway... We have figured it out finally. It was the last gasp of Mars in Scorpio and I do firmly believe we are finally out if it. The fresh air of Mars in.Sag is EXHILIRATING Actually I realized our relationship started getting bumpy right around January 4th when Mars entered Scorpio. Really excited to see how we do going forward. I mean, I know the issues will still be there... But I.think we did well. Mars was just at his.yod release point at 28 Scorpio, no wonder it was intense... IP: Logged |
mir
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posted August 04, 2016 04:53 PM
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I had told him.I.would be hanging out with a past lover and he quietly secretly FLIPPED OUT. He, Taurus stellium, me, Scorpio stellium... I really don't mind his jealousy much, I want.tobe possessed... lol...
Yun, do I smell VASYA there ^ ? haha Well, I wanna be possessed too, it must be our Scorp luminary thing. But I was suddenly thinking.. better to NOT have a vasya connection from the guy in my case, after all they become so sexually aroused by my (vedic) libra moon that it must be completely unbearable to deny their passions. I feel as a feather at the moment, after googling "sex is overrated" and ending up on a BB board where most guys were united in the thought that sex is way way overrated. Never had a look in the other sexes' perspective like that. Very interesting. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted August 04, 2016 04:57 PM
There do exist men who are not obsessed with it. I'm glad you found some evidence of this I'm personally a bit obsessed with it... but only when I have a specific person to focus my passion on... I'm happily celibate otherwise. Obsessed is a strong word, but basically I could probably have sex several times a day and be very very happy. Again, with the right person... cause it's blissful..and good for self expression. It is important that sex be enjoyable. If it isn't, if it's mechanical, if it's devoid of love, if it's informed by mouldy old cultural constructs, then yeah, definitely overrated... But as the fresh pulse of life force and love and bonding incarnate? Doesn't really get much better than that... But my Mars is in.Aries in the 5th house ... I've had my share of misadventures and bad sex, but still maintain my enthusiasm. Especially since this guy... he is truly a good man... hard to find in this age. IP: Logged |
mir
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posted August 04, 2016 05:16 PM
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.. he is truly a good man... hard to find in this age.
very verry true Aqua-Mars in the 6th here.
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In fact, the Mars in Aquarius Friend is so terrific that after a while any partner of a Mars in Aquarius individual may start wondering why they ever wanted a Lover!
(^ an inspiring thing I found on the web ihih) IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted August 04, 2016 07:09 PM
Awwe yes I would be content with a really excellent friend if I were them too. You are so brilliant, your energy is so beautiful and wise. You deserve all the love for being just who you are and how you are and how you feel like being.And speaking of that... it's one of those things... I find in terms of sexuality, it is when.I relax and feel fully accepted and not pressured but wholly welcome to take my time and do whatever I want that I become truly aroused and begin enjoying myself... So maybe that's a lesson for all people who feel like theyneed to ppressure anybody into it... a lesson in all things.. if you want it, release the desire for it completely... and if it's right, it might just come IP: Logged |
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posted August 05, 2016 12:58 AM
aw thank you yun..yea there might be some potential for us, after all I enjoyed it 2 x with him and I was so glad I could. Wow! And like you we also went through a verry rough period .. he's now having the job he likes and I start to see a big difference in approach to me.. way more attention, sweeter .. yea there are clearly things changing~! I even think I'm capable of giving (well, finally I hope haha) sex purely out of love.. but then the relationship rrreally has to feel GOOD. And that was not exactly the thing until now I would say. So yea.. times might change, I can't let this guy go, step by step he's giving more trust and I think that is indeed ALL. And to not forget I have a life full of relationship experience and dating so I know very well what is available on the market which is, to say the least, sad. By now I want the real thing, someone who's not giving up in a second as that scares the hell out a me. I'm double fixed in my luminary pair, so is he. Fixed cross together aaghhh ;D No past relationship without at least 1 fixed luminary. The same modality is a magnet without exception here. IP: Logged |
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posted August 05, 2016 08:51 AM
Wanted to add my 2 cents.I have strong Juno-Chiron connections to someone I have a special bond with. He is married and I (now) have a boyfriend, but we are like each otherīs eternal(dream) objects. Strong physical and emotional attraction, never fulfilled, only teasing, cat-around-the-hot-porridge, cannot-have-you,-still-have-to-be-around-you blabla for 4 years. Lots of hurt on both sides, both trying to conceal it. Like teenagers, only that he is approaching 60 haha. In synastry my Aries Chiron cj his Aries Venus by 5 degrees and my Uranus opposes it. But in declinations all this bunch is tight parallel-contraparallel - his Venus, his Juno, my Chiron, my Juno, my Uranus. In Davidson our Venus-Juno are loosely conjunct and sextile Chiron. Tons of Juno and Chiron action to other planets as well. We have extreme raw sensitivity/emotivity (and thus defensiveness) towards each other and a strong physical attraction. Everything feels too much and thus one party retires and then the other one feels repulsed/abandoned. We cant stay in each others company more than some minutes. I have never experienced anything like that. If we let barriers down a bit we can have very enjoyable convos. Our connection is "secret" (his mars is in my 12th), but our friends know about it. IP: Logged |
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posted June 28, 2019 03:40 PM
The person I am currently seeing his Juno conjuncts exact my Chiron both at 2 degrees in Gemini and this falls exact on our Davison chart ruler Mercury in Gemini at 2 degrees. I would say then the purpose of our relationship is chiron conjunct juno in gemini. In Davison we also have isis conjunct osiris on Regulus on the IC. He does feel like an important soulmate. I feel we do bring out the inner child in each other and this pure heartedness and innocence:PHASE 62 (GEMINI 2°): SANTA CLAUS FURTIVELY FILLING STOCKINGS HANGING IN FRONT OF THE FIREPLACE. KEYNOTE: A rewarded faith in spiritual blessings. The popular allegory refers to the spiritual blessings which come to the "pure in heart," whose consciousness is likened to that of a little child. Polarized by eager expectation and faith in the existence of celestial Powers, the pure consciousness as yet un-solidified by ego and rationalistic arguments experiences the concrete manifestation of what it had imagined. In this symbol, Santa Claus acts "furtively." The gifts from an imagined and intensely believed in spiritual world must not be examined closely or at length by the reasoning intellect. The would-be clairvoyant is told not to look straight and intently at what he begins to "see"; instead he should cast sideways glances at it, since the sharply focused mind would make the apparition vanish. At this second stage of the thirteenth five-fold sequence we have once more a symbol in contrast to the one for the first stage. In order to discover the wonders of the normally unconscious depths of the collective psyche, the individual has to build the proper kind of vehicle (a glass-bottomed boat); but the reception of new blessings from the spiritual realm above (the superconscious) requires mostly faith and purity of heart, and a common type of understanding (stockings) thus a state of INNOCENCE. IP: Logged |
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posted July 03, 2019 05:27 PM
Been having an affair with my married boss for 1.5 years.. My chiron sextile his juno. Make what you will of it. 💁IP: Logged |
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posted July 04, 2019 12:09 PM
Magi cited Prince Charles & Camilla but they eventually got married. 🤷♀️My Aries Chiron exactly quincunx his Scorpio Juno btw, and we didn't last long. IP: Logged |
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posted July 04, 2019 01:07 PM
I get the feeling that this aspect is perhaps an affair aspect but the potential to turn into something legit perhaps. Affairs that last years and bc they last years can eventually led to people actually divorcing and then marrying each other, at least the conjunction (Prince Charles & Camilla).IP: Logged |
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posted June 11, 2023 09:29 AM
I might have this with someone. I'll look into it later. IP: Logged |
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