posted July 31, 2016 05:06 AM            

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What have been your observations of Juno-Chiron... we may as well call them linkages for fun... but Juno-Chiron interaspects and composite/Davison placements? Specifically the conjunction in composite I'm interested in learning about, if you've ever witnessed it and what you saw, because we have this one and I'd really like to hear other experiences.

I ask because at first I was happy enough with the idea of long term mistresshood... what's the big deal, right? Plus I was just so happy to be with him at all,in any way.... but now am beginning to realize the pitfalls of being with a person who is reluctant to publicly legitimize a relationship, even if that public legitimization doesn't look like marriage... it still matters a great deal whether you are Number One in somebody's life, or only a side dish or an option or a holding space. You might be a very important and needed one, a mistress can fulfill many.important functions... can even be truly loved... But can never expect to be prioritized, can never claim her position as Queen of anybody's heart...

I read recently in the Pullen report in astro.com that Juno is ascribed by him

"Sacrificing one's own personal power for the benefit of a relationship,"

And I have begun to see it as apt. Juno shows us how much to give, where to draw the line, and the ways in which commitment and harmony can be worth a small sacrifice... But depending on aspects, etc., her manifestations can obviously run the gamut... showing us the ideal path to equality in relationship (which may always require some sacrifice, to become equals...), or how things run amok when we over give or over take, or demand something which can't be given, or claim something, or sacrifice ourselves but do not receive a beneficial relationship, only a benefited one which doesn't actually serve us... etc

And with Juno conjunct Chiron I can see how the need to give up some personal power could open the door to profound pain and profound love and healing too... that love you get to through incredible pain... argh.. It's all true it's all happening.

I just got to thinking about the JunoChiron Magi theory, and it got to me... The conjunction is on his natal ascendant, so he really carries a lot of this energy into the relationship, and holds space for this particular struggle, as well as embodying it... his father had many mistresses, and he witnessed the dishonesty and such as a child... he is still working through the complexity of all of this now of course.he's doing the best he can why what he's got and I love him, though it's pretty darn hard on me.

posted July 31, 2016 05:28 AM            

I recently asked a horary question, which was whether we'll ever be happily married... My significator, Venus, was applying to square his significator, Mars, which indicates my pursuit and eventual gaining of desire, according to Lilly... but a lot of turmoil in the marriage etc., and him being the dominant partner (Mars was in Scorpio and Venus in Leo, there was mutual reception by face only though).

Interestingly the Venus Mars midpoint in that horary chart is exactly square... (or conjunct.. can't remember) the Sun Moon midpoint. the chart also had nice aspects from Sun to Moon and other nice stuff but the square stands out pretty dominantly and is actually interrupted by transference of light by Mercury... I think that's what's going on.. Still learning horary, but anyway, the point of that ramble is that maybe I just love him and want him more... my Venus applying to square his Mars like that...

And then, to return to the topic more soundly, my Chiron is more activated than his in the synastry, and if we are playing the Magi game, then we could posit that I love him more than he loves me... Which is probably true and always has been... And I can deal with it I think, I mean I guess I have to. I would rather love them more than the other way round...

But that's all rather silly maybe... very coloured by my.present frame of mind...

To continue with Magi stuff, we have a huge amount of compelling Juno aspects, his Pluto sextile my Juno and my Pluto trine his, his Mars trine my Juno, my North Node conjunct his Juno....

And yeah, the tightest aspect in our composite is a Venus-Juno sextile, 0'02 degrees or something.

I am very curious still to learn all the manifestations of Juno. I know she behaves very differently depending on where she falls in a natal chart, how she is aspected, etc. So I'll probably see a different face every time I try to get to know her...

Dawn Bodrogi says she is about fighting for equality. I note now that she doesn't say she's about Equality itself... But the fight for it... I think that is a good clue.

posted July 31, 2016 05:50 AM            

Composite Chiron is the one more tightly conjunct his natal ascendant, 0-3 degrees... Juno is further off.

Interestingly composite Boda is conjunct composite Juno by 3 minutes of orb. Curiouser and curiouser... are we married to mistress status and sexuality? Or...???

In case any of this changes anything

... sigh...

I'm overwhelmed tonight and jest needing to understand and vent and find support and really appreciate the board for just being here. Thanks board.

posted July 31, 2016 06:04 AM              

BUT she is also about power and intensity, and THAT is where her strongly passionate vibe comes into play.

though I am not always totally certain the passion is really because of some form of attraction or passion for creating an equal relationship.

But she comes up strongly in longterm relationships, and also in those that are cyclic in nature (which fits her story with Jupiter, as there was quite a bit of separation- reconciliation involved in their marriage. Well she never officially split with him of course, but at times she took a "time out" and left temporarily; and the times she was SERIOUS about it, it was him chasing after her again and getting her back home, partially by the use of some parlor tricks to make her jealous, and it worked).

posted July 31, 2016 06:13 AM            

He and I both have the Jupiter Juno square natally, so it turns up in composite too of course. Still figuring that one out, but I imagine it's an intensification of the stress dynamics in that mythological relationship, as well as a huge compulsion to address them, and by sign shows how the female and male aspects of the psyche will be expected to act... as well as husband and wife, probably...

Like, my Virgo Juno is super high and mighty about relationship equality, and I make it known that I need things to be PERFECT. Whereas my Jupiter in Gemini is way more loosey goosey and acknowledges the need for everybody to do their own thang so long as it works for them...

posted July 31, 2016 06:20 AM            

Lindaland is MAGIC!!!

posted July 31, 2016 07:01 AM              

My parents actually have a Juno-Jupiter-DW in synastry (sextile and opposition I think) and a close trine in the composite.

They do have their occasionaly (okay regular ) verbal banter, but beyond that they are just a team. Sort of like Jupiter-Juno makes an unit, and event hough there might be disputes occasionally within the unit, it is an unit. Period.

posted July 31, 2016 07:07 AM              

Paul Newman and his wife had the out of sign trine in composite.

posted July 31, 2016 02:57 PM              

I have the conjunction of his Chiron to my Juno. There is secrecy. It's interesting, the number of ways someone can play the role of a "mistress". You don't have to be an escape from another woman, but you can be an escape from a commitment or responsibility to a cause, or an escape from a burden or some baggage the other is unwilling to let go of.

I think Juno partners herself with her Chiron partner's pain, makes a commitment to the pain maybe even more than the person sometimes. Juno finds herself facing Chiron's pain more than anything else, when she addresses the steps that need to be taken to solidify the partnership. Juno thinks she can shoulder the burden, and believes she can save Chiron through the partnership. But in the end it is probably Chiron teaching Juno, aware or not, how to be a true lover and partner to herself. I don't think learning this lesson needs to break the relationship. You can get through it with a lot of suffering I think. You might just find yourself wondering if that is the best path for everyone.

I'm just shooting from the hip with this.

posted July 31, 2016 03:21 PM              

Chiron shows where pain is. Sometimes the the very intimate relationship a person has with something is through pain.

If my Juno is in Gemini and I love an intelligent and generous communicator, I may not get this with Chiron, but I will feel psychically maybe his intense relationship with that house and sign through suffering.... Chiron can be a genius and master of the house and sign, but I think at his best he's operating on a level that Juno can't understand. Maybe where Juno wants to build an empire, evolved Chiron is looking another side of the reality of that sign and house and wants to be an ascetic giving all he has away to the people. And then naturally Juno feels she is playing second fiddle.

posted August 01, 2016 06:44 PM            

Lots of very interesting thoughts! No need to apologize for edits, but I apologize for taking so.long to get back here. I want to quote everything and give it all big thumbs up...

I don't know if Juno cant understand Chiron tho.. I think she could probably, and as you say can benefit hugely from his wisdom, especially with the conjunction or easy aspects between the two. Maybe Chiron's wisdom forces Juno to open up to the pain she has inherent in her... and yeah as you say, she might think she is puting up with a lot and putting up with a lot but actually that very thought is what she might eventually have to face as being untenable... sacrifice in Relationship if it isn't worth it, or if it is resented, would be very very painful... and then there's that inner knowing that we can never truly possess another person, that no matter how much we sacrifice ourselves for the sake of the relationship, the relationship itself, like all things, must eventually pass away. Juno, her very existence is rooted in the relationship itself. So I think Chiron probably challenges the ideas which Juno cherishes which are not realistic, brings up her woundedness and vulnerability, and ultimately has the capacity to heal them... through the power of infinite unending unconditional love...

posted August 01, 2016 06:57 PM            

Chiron in Aries and Juno in Pisces

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
(I have little astrological objectivity in my times of pain and strife, but things have been very nicely resolved now and I feel better (a little sleep deprived... or a lot). And now I can see how this aspect actually could be interpreted.)

[b]Child, what signs are they sextile from, dear? Is this synastry or composite?[/B]

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posted August 01, 2016 07:16 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
What degrees? Those signs are semisextile.

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posted August 01, 2016 07:22 PM            

So with that in mind, the things I wrote above would apply perhaps, as they are connected for sure if sextile. Chiron sextiles are also a challenge for me to interpret! Because of personal blockages. Certain things are pushing the limits of my present understanding and you've just offered me some. Thank you.