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Topic: Mars Conjunct Pluto in Synastry (or Mars Pluto Synastry)
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GrlyGirl200
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posted August 18, 2016 03:56 PM
  
Hey all,
I have this aspect with a coworker, and things between us are super tense to say the least. It almost seems like my mere existence upsets them or causes them to react. I was wanting to know what are your experiences with Mars Conjunct Pluto (or Mars Pluto) synastry when you aren't in a relationship with the person?
Is there anyway that this person can ever just NOT react to you in a strong way? Or is it much like most Pluto stuff apathy isn't possible. I'm Pluto, and they are Mars and my desire to keep the workplace not hostile (Moon in 7th) is the reason I want to find a way to deal with this aspect. From my perspective there is this weird energy that feels almost like tension...but it could just be me. Thanks! IP: Logged |
cchampliss2
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posted August 18, 2016 07:08 PM
Hey there, this is a difficult aspect to have with someone else in synastry. My experience has been similar to yours where I was the pluto person, and I have a lot of contacts to my pluto in my natal, so I'm used to the energy. When I worked with the other person, I felt that very familiar tension associated with pluto/mars aspects. Just being in the employees lounge having lunch together was tense. I think that the Mars person (especially) if they're not used to the energy, feels like that pluto beam is closing in on them and it's hard to feel easy in that. I never quite figured out how to work them because the time period was so short between us. What I did notice though, is that it was just the pluto/mars conjunction that was hard. When my pluto makes another aspect to any of their other planets, like sun or moon, along with their Mars, it is still intense but it seems more rounded out, especially in easier aspects. But the conj. And square to only Mars, is hard. There's something about trying to tear down Mars and rebuild it that people just don't like off the bat. Especially at a very unconscious level that is always pluto. Good luck! IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 18, 2016 08:49 PM
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mereiposa
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posted August 19, 2016 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by cchampliss2:
Hey there, this is a difficult aspect to have with someone else in synastry. My experience has been similar to yours where I was the pluto person, and I have a lot of contacts to my pluto in my natal, so I'm used to the energy. When I worked with the other person, I felt that very familiar tension associated with pluto/mars aspects. Just being in the employees lounge having lunch together was tense. I think that the Mars person (especially) if they're not used to the energy, feels like that pluto beam is closing in on them and it's hard to feel easy in that. I never quite figured out how to work them because the time period was so short between us. What I did notice though, is that it was just the pluto/mars conjunction that was hard. When my pluto makes another aspect to any of their other planets, like sun or moon, along with their Mars, it is still intense but it seems more rounded out, especially in easier aspects. But the conj. And square to only Mars, is hard. There's something about trying to tear down Mars and rebuild it that people just don't like off the bat. Especially at a very unconscious level that is always pluto. Good luck!
I would agree. I have the conjunction in synastry with someone I am interested in, and had it in my marriage. Their pluto, my mars. But it is not tense, maybe because it is trining my moon. It could get intense though in my marriage. He was very calm, but I (mars) would get so mad so fast! I have it the other way with someone new, but no experience as to how it plays out. And this time his mars is conjunct my pluto, and square my moon. IP: Logged |
comdoc
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posted August 20, 2016 03:11 AM
My beloved first wife's Pluto is conjunct my 1st House Leo Mars. One of the two best sexualoves in my entire lifetime. Peace and love together. Pluto can be positive, fueling transformation, regeneration, renewal. IP: Logged |
GrlyGirl200
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posted August 22, 2016 07:45 AM
Does anyone have any experience with their being an extreme amount of anger or unpleasantness between the two individuals. Like I said I work with this person, and let my anger get the best of me to the point where I cussed them out and yelled at them (off the clock). I was sent home as a result. I actually decided to file a formal complaint against this employee, not because I want to. But because I have to. The work environment has gotten so bad that even if I don't say anything, interacting is near impossible. It is literally like everything I do (even if it is me being civil) is met with hostility. How are you supposed to deal with this? IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted August 23, 2016 09:58 AM
Do you have some hard Saturn aspects with this person?I've never experienced the Mars/Pluto conjunction in such a hostile way... Although I have the conjunction natally. Someone's Pluto on my Mars is barely noticeable to me, most of the time. Sometimes it creates sexual attraction and some power struggles (emotional ones especially) but what you're describing sounds like Pluto and Saturn combined, or something like that. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee
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posted August 23, 2016 02:06 PM
GrlyGirl200, Mars conjunct or parallel someone else's Pluto (or vice versa) is challenging, and best handled by two mature people whose sex drives, ambitions, and egos have settled down. I don't know that this is the main synastry factor that forms the basis of conflict with your co-worker, because it may be that you also share a mostly negative synastry (a greater percentage of negative inter-aspects).For your part, I am proud of you for holding to an ideal of peace. Just set your mind on that in a meditative moment before arriving at work and see it happening (like smiles on your faces, good humor, etc). It may not come right away, but eventually it will. This is also the subtle creative power of trans-personals Uranus (psychic), Neptune (vision) and Pluto (total consciousness). ------------------
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posted August 23, 2016 07:58 PM
I had this with someone who I dated and is a part of my work. I hate his guts. I'm pluto conjunct his mars. I find him so immature and foolish and it annoys me. I rarely react but he tends to freak out around me. He's not in control of himself....just totally primitive...like a stupid ape IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted August 25, 2016 05:48 AM
Damn... so much hostility.
*takes notes for future reference that anyone whose Pluto conjuncts my Mars might hate me*
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Aubyanne
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posted August 25, 2016 02:43 PM
:: munches popcorn, watching the thread ::We've got it 0º. Hasn't been a problem for us. UNLESS we're not having a sexual relationship. Then -- holy God -- the passive-aggression IS REAL. I think if either of us were less polite, it could be an all-out war. But we're luckily quite evolved, and we love each other deeply. But, yes, the fur can certainly fly. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted August 25, 2016 03:16 PM
He said something to me back when we were first working together, and considerably before we approached a relationship.We were doing a read on a particular scene, more of a scene study, as it was the two of us. He got this look upon his face, as if he was suddenly having a serious thought. Of course, I enquired. 'I was imagining you naked and serving me tea.' Mind, he said this, as if he'd just said, 'I'm pondering the workings of the universe.' Deeply contemplative, and bizarrely matter-of-fact. I'm lucky I wasn't actually trying to consume anything; I'd've choked on it. I just stared at him, as my brain warred with itself, debating if something REALLY just happened, or maybe I'd slipped into an alternate dimension. I KNOW that's not in the script, and there's nothing remotely like it, either. REMOTELY. During my processing, as I stood there like a CPU attempting to divide by zero, he appeared to snap out of it, then asking me what page we're on. Ohhhh. Right. Because now I'm not thinking about something else entirely. I both loved and hated that about him. And he STILL manages to do it to me -- on occasion. 'I was thinking of making a few changes to the ending scene of [his script].' And goes onto explain what. I'm retrieving his cup of Throat Coat tea from the microwave, because, vocal performers. 'Oh, wow, I like that. Yes, I think that's a stronger choice.' 'Mm. Same.' I hand him his tea. 'I'm going to do terrible things to you this weekend.' He takes it. I've lost the ability to both cogitate and speak. He loves doing that to me.  So, yeah, the PLUTO-MARS thing can swing both ways, depending upon circumstances. At least I don't have to lock myself in the bathroom, stare at myself in the mirror and silently scream anymore. I don't miss that.  IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted August 25, 2016 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by GrlyGirl200:
Does anyone have any experience with their being an extreme amount of anger or unpleasantness between the two individuals. Like I said I work with this person, and let my anger get the best of me to the point where I cussed them out and yelled at them (off the clock). I was sent home as a result. I actually decided to file a formal complaint against this employee, not because I want to. But because I have to. The work environment has gotten so bad that even if I don't say anything, interacting is near impossible. It is literally like everything I do (even if it is me being civil) is met with hostility. How are you supposed to deal with this?
Hey, Grly, it's not that guy -- right? IP: Logged |
cchampliss2
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posted August 25, 2016 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
:: munches popcorn, watching the thread ::We've got it 0º. Hasn't been a problem for us. UNLESS we're not having a sexual relationship. Then -- holy God -- the passive-aggression IS REAL. I think if either of us were less polite, it could be an all-out war. But we're luckily quite evolved, and we love each other deeply. But, yes, the fur can certainly fly.
How about when there is no sexual relationship? Is it still intense?
I'm trying to find out how two people who have this work this out. Like two people of the same sex that are in a platonic relationship. How does this work out?
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Aubyanne
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posted August 25, 2016 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by cchampliss2:
How about when there is no sexual relationship? Is it still intense?
I'm trying to find out how two people who have this work this out. Like two people of the same sex that are in a platonic relationship. How does this work out?
If there's no desire for a sexual relationship from either, the energy tends to be 're-routed'. There may be more energy and activity between them. Could be great for projects that requires a long haul, as you'd have momentum and drive for it. But if there are primal sexual dynamics in the relationship, it's a problem. Well -- lacking an outlet, it invites trouble. IP: Logged |
GrlyGirl200
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posted August 26, 2016 01:37 AM
Yes, Aubyanne it is that guy. Turns out he actually did like me. So that's where our issues started. I'm over that I just wanted him to stop being so cruel and callus at work. I said hi to him he literally made eye contact, said nothing, then violently slammed an object down. It was the first time I was actually afraid of him. He hates me and I'm not sure why. To be honest I'm terrified how he will respond when he finds out I contacted corporate about his behavior. May I ask are you Mars or Pluto?
Doux Reve, there is a lot of power struggles. And yes emotional ones but again I don't know why. There is a lot of nasty Saturn between us. Double whammy Sun and Moon Saturn. Also there is Mars Square Saturn.
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Aubyanne
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posted August 26, 2016 02:52 AM
He doesn't hate you, sweetie; he's deemed you off-limits -- but wants to do you. Sorry to be so blunt. Sounds like a drama king. I fear I'm dealing with something similar, which may've been why someone bolted. IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted August 26, 2016 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by GrlyGirl200:
Yes, Aubyanne it is that guy. Turns out he actually did like me. So that's where our issues started. I'm over that I just wanted him to stop being so cruel and callus at work. I said hi to him he literally made eye contact, said nothing, then violently slammed an object down. It was the first time I was actually afraid of him. He hates me and I'm not sure why. To be honest I'm terrified how he will respond when he finds out I contacted corporate about his behavior. May I ask are you Mars or Pluto?
Doux Reve, there is a lot of power struggles. And yes emotional ones but again I don't know why. There is a lot of nasty Saturn between us. Double whammy Sun and Moon Saturn. Also there is Mars Square Saturn.
How did you find out that he actually did like you? IP: Logged |
GrlyGirl200
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posted August 26, 2016 05:57 PM
Lucia...we actually ended up having a conversation about it. So we were on speaking terms. At least he was nice to me work wise when I would say I had feelings for him. Otherwise I couldn't get him to be responsive work wise. Aubyanne....that does make a lot of sense. I know I have heard of Mars Pluto creating a huge amount of pressure and that it does need to go somewhere. If it's not channeled into sex or something. I didnt realize that Mars Conjunction Pluto could create such strong desires (on the Mars side). I thought that Mars would get over it, and move on. Especially after we resolved our issues (or so I thought we resolved them). I have to admit that I'm afraid of him and how he will respond when he finds out about corporate. To be honest I thought it was me in the past who strongly desired him only and I thought I was the issue. After all isn't Pluto the one who feels desire. After all was said and done work became unbearable in which he either flat out ignored me and inquiries related to work or stared at me. In addition to openly ignoring me in front of coworkers staring at me in front of coworkers being rude and disrespectful to me and customers, and refusing to answering inquires about his area. It seems like his behavior had been purposeful and done out of hate. But I really want to scream and shout with frustration if the reason his behavior has been so hostile to me is so simplistic and down to the fact he wasn't able to do me. IP: Logged |
GrlyGirl200
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posted August 26, 2016 06:35 PM
So in synastry is it Pluto or Mars who tends to be violent. I know this aspect can create violence, but who is the one the violence is directed towards. IP: Logged |
Orange
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posted August 26, 2016 06:52 PM
Remember The Astronaut Love Triangle that exploded a few years ago, involving a male astronaut and a female astronaut and another female ( fiance of the male)... Well, the two astronauts were lovers in space ( literally) but later they broke up and the male got engaged.
The female astronaut was so deeply distraught of the break up and the engagement, she drove from Texas to Florida for 18 hours nonstop and alledgedly wore pampers so that she wont waste time at the pitstops, drove streight to the airport where the fiancé to her lover had just landed, and attempted to kidnap her and kill her.Her Pluto conjuncts his Mars ( and his Pluto squared her Moon) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Nowak IP: Logged |
mereiposa
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posted August 26, 2016 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by GrlyGirl200:
Does anyone have any experience with their being an extreme amount of anger or unpleasantness between the two individuals. Like I said I work with this person, and let my anger get the best of me to the point where I cussed them out and yelled at them (off the clock). I was sent home as a result. I actually decided to file a formal complaint against this employee, not because I want to. But because I have to. The work environment has gotten so bad that even if I don't say anything, interacting is near impossible. It is literally like everything I do (even if it is me being civil) is met with hostility. How are you supposed to deal with this?
Despite rough moments of trying to settle our divorce, my ex and I (who have a conjunction of 3degrees) are still somewhat friends. There is no hatred, and anger is usually short lived. It has always been like this. There is genuine caring and friendship that still somewhat exists, and keeps it peaceful. EDIT: We also had Mars (him) square Saturn (me). Our bedroom life sucked, so no mars pluto passion there. But to top it all off, we had composite mars in the 12th. But the good aspects? His pluto trine my moon, his saturn trine my venus, sun conjunct sun, sun opposite moon, sun conjunct jupiter... so we had friendship signs more than passion and love. IP: Logged |
GrlyGirl200
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posted August 26, 2016 07:20 PM
So basically it's me that is going to be the crazy violent one...that makes me feel so much better. I thought it would end up being Mars...after all Mars does represent violence. Does it change if Mars and Pluto are in Scorpio? But then again I am here posting about what to do about him so perhaps I am the crazy one after all. The action they had ended up with was a result of investigating his conduct (he has yelled and argued with customers), and separating us so that we are never scheduled together. Obviously this isn't a feasible long term solution (I know SOMEONE has to go because of he sheer amount of time that will be expended to make sure we aren't scheduled together) but it doesn't seem over. HR is going to talk with him, and even said that I had some valid points in my complaint to corporate (I tried to give my notice and HR said to give it a few weeks and not do anything impulsive). Plus the corporate investigation is still on going. But is that my crazy Pluto to his Mars saying that (that it isn't over). I care for him and didn't want to do this but his conduct to others is rude and hostile. Plus he scares the crap out of me, and is so young. I know he thought he was going to get me fired. Which is crazy because he is far too young to be so extreme.
Can synastry like this ever be peaceful? After all is said and done will this just create long term (Saturn aspects) feelings of hate (Pluto)?
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mereiposa
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posted August 27, 2016 11:46 AM
I think this is beyond synastry. He doesn't seem mature or maybe not in control of his actions. I think what I was trying to say in my above posts is that it can be handled appropriately. You are taking steps to do that very thing, he does not appear to be. And even if the relationship is not close, one person should not provoke such strong feelings in another to the point that he can't be in the same room or space. As an adult, you should be able to deal with not liking someone better than what he is doing. Also, yelling at customers shows he has other issues. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted August 27, 2016 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by GrlyGirl200:
... But then again I am here posting about what to do about him so perhaps I am the crazy one after all.
Ahhh. A moment of sanity. But don't sweat it. We all do this. I'm dealing with my own ... weird thing right now as well. IP: Logged |
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