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Elysia
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posted August 30, 2016 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

Can you guys tell me how this plays out? --
Two exact aspects occurring simultaneously (among others, but I want to study these first):

Female (A)'s progressed moon conjunct Male (B)'s natal Sun
at the same time,
Male (B)'s progressed Sun conjunct Female (A)'s natal moon.

^Who does/feels what here? What role do they play? In both these aspects, the female's moon is being aspected by the man's Sun. Reinforcement of a certain pattern?

For reference, the natal aspects are:
A's Sun sextile B's moon
B's Sun semi-sextile A's Moon
A & B's Suns are squared, moons are sextile.
All orbs within 2°

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mir
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posted August 30, 2016 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Female (A)'s progressed moon conjunct Male (B)'s natal Sun

^ that's the very key for a relationship start.

But without some other progressed biggies like Sun/Venus - Venus/Mars - Venus/Venus I'm not so sure anymore.

Is this you Elysia?
I'm curious if (you) both share some of the other aspects I mentioned. And also at which point the connection between both currently *IS* (with or without those aspects).

You can interprete the aspects as you normally would in synastry.

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Elysia
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posted August 30, 2016 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for responding, mir.

Relationship start? That's

Yeah, that's me lol. Trying to stay objective by calling them persons A & B.

As for the other aspects, in our pr charts, we have a Venus-Mars trine DW. His progressed mars squares my natal Venus & is on my natal IC. Also, do we consider Pr Saturn? It's also trine my Pr Venus.

The stage we're at is the very beginning - I'm not even sure I want it to progress! It's sorta freaking me out, coz he was making Thanksgiving plans a couple weeks ago (and it's August!). We only just met 2-3 weeks ago. He invites me to stuff, or asks me take him along to where I'm going.. Pretty mellow that way, no pressure. But still, a little weird for me. And the situation is sorta complicated. Don't wanna get into that kind of mess again.

Was debating whether or not to continue talking to him or keep my distance.

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** Just realised, Tr Sun & Tr NN are on my Venus-Jupiter today. No wonder I'm all about the "relating" today.

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mir
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posted August 31, 2016 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ very interesting and his 'invitations' are exactly what we would expect to see during a pMoon conj nSun syna wise; the start of a relationship.

But now this..

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As for the other aspects, in our pr charts, we have a Venus-Mars trine DW. His progressed mars squares my natal Venus

Can you give the exact degrees & signs of those ^.

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posted August 31, 2016 12:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Well, my Venus trine his Mars is 2°. The rest are wide though, like 3° and 4°. Nothing to worry about until next year when they progress further, hehe!

Amongst close aspects, his Pr Juno-Valentine on my Pr NN, 1.5° and 1° resp. Maybe it's a case of time-goggles highlighting it for now.
^ For these in, natal we have my Juno-BML on his Sun, and his Juno on my Eros, sextile Mars (is that even a valid pairing).

But Saturn squares! In natal synastry, we have Saturn DWs. My sun-mars-merc is already squared by my own Saturn, so, don't particularly enjoy a repeat of that in synastry. Mostly why I don't usually get along with my own age group, I guess. They just replicate my natal squares. Including moon-pluto. But with this one, there's Saturn from my side too, although nicer aspects than squares.

Funny thing is, he's a Taurus mars. Aren't they supposed to move *sloowwwwww*?

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mir
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posted August 31, 2016 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ yes but even for a Taurus mars, this pMoon conj nSun is a super strong magnet. It signifies THE time starter in progressed synastry. I'm very inclined to say it's NOW or NEVER between you both. That's why I am so curious about how this currently plays out. PLUS there's a pVenus/pMars applying (I suppose) trine in the progressions by 2 deg, exactly what we also wanna see. Another of 3 degrees coming up is great too. I guess there's a progressed composite applying Venus/Mars conj/opp too?

Which aspect is your progressed Moon making to your natal AND progressed Sun?
And his?
Are they in a 4th harmonic (conj/square/opp) aspect coincidentally (globally)?

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Elysia
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posted August 31, 2016 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh wait, sorry - the Saturn-Venus trine is 3°, the Venus-Mars other way is 6°! Lol too much.

In Pr Composite, we have a 3° Venus-Mars trine. A moon-venus conjunction (4°).**

The Pr Comp Mars-Jupiter is square his natal mars though, and square composite Pluto too. Not too good, eh. Dunno if it's worth noting, but this pr comp mars-jupiter is also square our natal composite Venus-Pluto conjunction.

Pr composite sun is now on his natal Juno, but separating. It'll be a few years before it's conjunct his natal sun.

Anyway,
My Pr Moon is exactly square my natal Sun and loosely (4°) sextile my Pr Sun.

Our natal Suns are squared & moons are sextile.
His nMoon sextile my nSun. My nMoon semi-sextile his nSun.


His Pr moon is now in the same sign as his natal moon, but a good 15° away still - can't be sure of the degree of his moon, birth time unknown. His Pr Moon is sextile by sign his own Pr Sun.

**That moon-venus conjunction *could* be on his natal moon - again, not sure of degree.

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posted August 31, 2016 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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My Pr Moon is exactly square my natal Sun

Okay, this is great. You are totally ready for a *NEW START* in your life. We verrry often see this aspect with one or both during the start of a relationship.

The only thing that worries me now is not having a progressed biggie between both within 2 deg applying (Sun/Venus - Venus/Mars - Venus/venus). BUT.. there are no hard and fast rules in astrology and the other things are clearly pointing to a coming closer. Okay, keep me updating about this connection!

Maybe I wanna see your charts in detail one day.

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posted August 31, 2016 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mir:
Okay, this is great. You are totally ready for a *NEW START* in your life. We verrry often see this aspect with one or both during the start of a relationship.

The only thing that worries me now is not having a progressed biggie between both within 2 deg applying (Sun/Venus - Venus/Mars - Venus/venus). BUT.. there are no hard and fast rules in astrology and the other things are clearly pointing to a coming closer. Okay, keep me updating about this connection!

Maybe I wanna see your charts in detail one day.


Oh yes, new start for sure. I've only just moved nearly halfway across the world (for various reasons). It's a new beginning in many ways.

Yeah, the only Sun/Venus & Venus-Venus thing are:
His Pr Venus trine my Pr Sun widely & opposing my nVenus;
my Pr Venus trining his nVenus.
No conjunctions or anything..

Thanks for taking the time to respond here - yes, I'll keep updating you if there's any changes.. Or if my feelings get any clearer, haha.

P.S. I'm rather shy about posting my chart.. But yeah, maybe someday.

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posted August 31, 2016 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just random note:

I was talking to a friend a few days ago, wondering about the attention a performer had payed me (I had never seen him before), to the point that I started avoiding looking at him on stage, cause I felt too much in his focus (been there, done that, still disentangling the mess, so not going there again ), and I checked the progressed synastry for that particular moment.

my pMoon 24°22 Leo
my pVertex 24°13 Leo
my pMercury 25°10 Aqua

his nVenus 24°50 Leo
his nMercury 25°03 Leo
his nSun 25°53 Leo

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my pVenus 28°08 Aqua
his nMars 27°49 Leo

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Of course no relationship started, but even in that most random of cases, the progressed synastry seemed to work at least in the sense of creating attention

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posted August 31, 2016 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow Ceri ^ and yesss that is definitely so!


quote:
Yeah, the only Sun/Venus & Venus-Venus thing are:
His Pr Venus trine my Pr Sun widely & opposing my nVenus;
my Pr Venus trining his nVenus.
No conjunctions or anything..

and o my gosh ^ ... the only thing?
can you share the orbs + applying/separating? this looks fabulous!
No conjunction needed here!

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Elysia
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posted August 31, 2016 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Haha, thanks for the input, mir!

But though they're applying aspects, the orbs are too wide, and won't be in effect until a couple years from now (Venus moves what, a degree a year?).. :/

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posted August 31, 2016 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Just random note:

I was talking to a friend a few days ago, wondering about the attention a performer had payed me (I had never seen him before), to the point that I started avoiding looking at him on stage, cause I felt too much in his focus (been there, done that, still disentangling the mess, so not going there again ), and I checked the progressed synastry for that particular moment.

my pMoon 24°22 Leo
my pVertex 24°13 Leo
my pMercury 25°10 Aqua

his nVenus 24°50 Leo
his nMercury 25°03 Leo
his nSun 25°53 Leo


Wow, Ceri.. The exactitude of your orbs always makes go *wow*!
Not just in this example, but always..!

That is so cool, to see the resonance between what was happening astrologically at the time and what happened down on earth.

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posted September 01, 2016 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Elysia, your question compares apples to oranges. Your chart`s progressed positions are yours. Someone else`sare theirs. In addition, progressed aspects are not active until within minutes of arc of culmination.

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posted September 01, 2016 04:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Elysia,

if you are interested in progressed synastry and mostly the research, this is a very recommendable book.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/rev_collide.html


this is his website
http://www.positiveastrology.com/default.asp

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posted September 01, 2016 04:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Elysia
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posted September 01, 2016 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Ceri..!

I'll check those out.

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mir
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posted September 01, 2016 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
verrry worth indeed ^.

I'm reading Westran's blog these days.
http://www.positiveastrology.com/blog.asp

Ow man I wish I could read him all day long.
I'm addicted. I wish I had all the data of the couples he used in his research too.

I bet I have great progressions with him too for some years now.. ok I'll find that out ;D

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posted September 01, 2016 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ow WOW, his Sun and Venus are almost exact conjunt my Moon! by approx 1,5 degree both~! (scorp)

Ok, that at first glance... I'll look later at his progressed chart.

edit@ And my ASC conjunct his ASC by 1 DEG! MC/MC conj TOO (virgo)

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posted September 01, 2016 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mir... you ARE Westran!!!

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posted September 01, 2016 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ haha yea.. I'm just putting up some pics of a random girl here to trick y'all guys ;D

btw, Westran is endowed with the Fountain~of~youth too! I already was afraid I would survive him and not have any inspiration left~!

He's got an *exact* Sun/Neptune (contra-)parallel! Like myself~! (me contra, him none-contra / opposing phases attract like magnets)

* * * * Fountain-of-youth aspect - A Magi Society discovery, this aspect is an enhancement of the Sun by Neptune; the aspect bestows youth and longevity to the native * * * *

^ Kannon should know that

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posted September 01, 2016 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, some years ago he was writing here, too. Just shortly though, but who knows? maybe he still reads from time to time, so Mir, your crush might become known to him.


for example
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/207655.html

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posted September 01, 2016 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Fountain-of-Youth-aspect is bogus though. Or wildly exaggerated.

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posted September 01, 2016 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yea I already aborbed those words of newstar ^ and even remember YOU were the one solving this word puzzle Ceri ;D

I usually don't celebrate my crushes so openly. I wish the earth would swallow me up if they found out. Even the progressions are not very promising between us. Well, just ONE biggie coming up... his pVenus trine my pSun at 3,5 deg applying now. So we might end up together after all

For the rest my pMars at 12 Aqua (slowww one since direct for some years now) will be square his nVenus.

ps OW and Westran is going through an EXACT Full Moon in the progressed Lunar phase realm currently. A time to not forget! New direction in life.

btw it IS striking that my current progressed Lunar Phase is exactly *his* natal Lunar Phase (waning sextile) these days.

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posted September 01, 2016 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just noticed his conversed progressed Sun;
- 25'48 Virgo.
While MY progressed (forward) Venus;
- 25'40 Virgo.

^ applying by minutes at the moment.

This MIGHT be the reason I feel it so strongly these days.

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