posted December 04, 2016 12:08 AM            

Here are the charts:

Yes to points one and two! I'm grateful you took an interest in my synastry because I never really gave much thought to my husband's mars. What you wrote inspired an epiphany moment. So much makes sense now! Leo energy can A.N.N.O.Y me. Lol. I hate that it does, and I don't really understand why it does, but it does.

I don't quite relate to the wall analogy though. It feels more like a balancing act... think seesaw. In our case, one end is heavier than the other, so it's imperative that we both engage our lunar qualities and develop emotionally. I think I used the word overwhelming or exhausting in a prior post to describe my perspective of our dynamic, and it is! It has been emotionally draining for me, but it brought me to a point where I knew I needed to confront my fears, and I think this relationship prepared me for that. It wasn't in a fairytale way where he nursed me to emotional health; he was/is a challenging presence in my life. Critical. Impulsive. Incessant. This drove me to take more responsibility for myself. The question is, would I have done that without these square energies? Could a more supportive dynamic have been as effective? I cannot definitively answer that because I haven't experienced it. What I will say though, based on my chart, (and based my behavioral patterns) I have moon square mars and Saturn... My go to solution to these "unpleasant" energies is Venus. Not only are trines sometimes described as lazy, but so is Venus and especially when Venus is in Taurus!!! I don't think I would have!! I think I would have ignored what needed/needs to be done and surrounded myself in comforts instead. Tell myself: tomorrow, later, one day, it's ok (when it's not), eat too much, drink too much... you get the picture! It's probably why I have issues with Leo energy (or anything that disrupts my peace!)... it's me not them!!

I read what you said about relationships being work and wanting something that wasn't soooooo much work... if there is anyone who understands the frustration behind that sentiment, it's me!!! I want to be able to enjoy my partner, have fun with him, want his company, but I don't and I don't feel like I can. LionFish said:

"I also agree with Bluejay that 7 years is not a failed marriage, but maybe with Saturn involved in your t-square the reason for ending was that you had learned all you could from each other."

For me, there's truth in these words. This is the conclusion I've come to with my marriage. Maybe Saturn on my DSC means the time has come to make this realization a reality.

In my husband's case, while trines may be helpful with alleviating the concentration of energies, I don't think it provides the kind of focus or balance a conjunction or square to his moon would. I say these energies can be healing because i believe, if a person is developed or mature enough to navigate these forces, it can be contained and wielded constructively instead of collapsing into chaos and instability. I would tell people that my husband brings out the worst in me, but without confronting those parts of myself, I don't know how else I'd be the best me. Bluejay's last sentence is pretty insightful.

posted December 04, 2016 09:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
If people have heart to heart--Moon to Moon--they can talk about their problems and work through them.

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posted December 04, 2016 06:20 PM            

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
CC -

Leo energy can A.N.N.O.Y me. Lol. I hate that it does, and I don't really understand why it does, but it does.

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posted December 04, 2016 06:42 PM            

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
CC -

I have moon square mars and Saturn... My go to solution to these "unpleasant" energies is Venus. Not only are trines sometimes described as lazy, but so is Venus and especially when Venus is in Taurus!!! I don't think I would have!! I think I would have ignored what needed/needs to be done and surrounded myself in comforts instead. Tell myself: tomorrow, later, one day, it's ok (when it's not), eat too much, drink too much... you get the picture! It's probably why I have issues with Leo energy (or anything that disrupts my peace!)... it's me not them!!

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Lol, ok, I get it

posted December 04, 2016 06:49 PM            

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
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I've read that to resolve a tSquare you have to integrate the energy of the missing leg. In our case, it would be the rational detachment and ingenuity of Aquarius and the nurturing center of a cancer. Once I became familiar with our tSquare dynamic, the missing leg theory made a lot of sense. A tSquare is a closed pattern not a complete one. For a long time, we were trapped in this dynamic because I didn't understand it. I was still learning, but once I "detached" (yes, Gemini is detached too, but I mean aquarian detachment. New perspectives. Out of the box approach!), and *allowed* myself to feel what I felt, things changed. A cardinal tSquare is said to be resolved or handled appropriately with "correct action". A fixed tSquare by "humbling the will." These two concepts were key.

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posted December 05, 2016 10:30 PM            

I have similar T-squares with friends who have libra suns/other placements.

posted December 06, 2016 10:05 AM            

About my relationship, there are frictions and sparks, but overall it's nothing I'd consider harmful. With my personality, I like it because that's how I get "intimate", I like sparks, burns, passionate opposition and emotional raw-ness. Cut us open and let our blood mingle. I don't purposely drive us to that point, I just don't control and let it rip. Whereas in friendship, I exert a great deal of control over the way I response to my friends, because I don't require that kind of rawness and heat in friendship.

He likes it the same way I do, often commenting that I drive him nuts in the best of ways. But it's not like we're like that all the time, I think that would be tiring to deal with.

posted December 07, 2016 01:02 AM            

I wonder if the way a Tsquare is completed in synastry affects the outcome.

What I mean by that is this:

Let's take my chart for example. My square is between my Pisces Sun/Mer (25 & 26 Pis) and my Sag Mars/Uranus (22 & 23 Sag). So it can be completed by a person's planet in Gemini or Virgo from about 20-26 degrees.

Now take my friend. Her Moon is at 23 Gemini. Completing my T-square. But then her own natal opposition lies right on top of the oppostion with my Sag placements. And my Sun/Merc completes the Apex of her opposition into the t-square. The completions fall directly on top of each other.

Would we be friends, or have been friends so long, if her Uranus did not create that opposition with her Moon?

Now take that same square between my Sun and Mars/Uranus and say it's completed by a Gemini Moon. But they have no square or opposition to their Moon in their natal. Their Moon has just been thrown into a war zone and all it's ever known is love and laughter with a trine to Jupiter.
But let's say that same person has a natal Leo Sun opposing their Saturn in Aquarius between 4-10 degrees. My natal Pluto would complete that t-square at 7 Scorpio. But without a natal square to my Pluto, there is no overlapping completion.

Do the conjunctions involved in making these overlapping completions make it easier to face the challenges presented by the t-square pattern?

My friend and I have lived together multiple times and cohabitation suits us. We can also go weeks without seeing each other only to love each other just as much when we see each other next. We have Moon-Uranus DW.

posted December 08, 2016 02:09 AM            

We are definitely opposites. And yet still eerily similar. We think very much the same, but I speak what we think where she refrains. The same things make us angry and excited, but again, I show it and she is less expressive. We have been accused of sharing a brain. We have Merc/Merc conjunction. It's exact. Mine is retro, her's is direct.

I feel a kinship with her that I do with few others. She gets who I am and I her. We have been best friends from the moment we met. We both have a Sun/Moon sextile with the Sun/Moon midpoint conjunct an angle in our natals. Her mp is on her Asc and mine is on my MC. Her Sun is conjunct my MC and My Moon is conjunct her Asc.

We have an interesting exchange of Mars energy. We have Uranus-Uranus conjunction and a Neptune-Neptune conjunction because we are born only 30 days apart, but where my Mars is conjunct Uranus, hers is conjunct Neptune.

posted December 08, 2016 02:25 AM            

She understands my need for space and only lets me know she misses me when it's been a few weeks since she's seen me. She knows I'll be there as soon as I can. Not only is she my "sista from anotha mista" but her family is near and dear to me as well and I can't stay away.

posted December 08, 2016 09:34 AM            

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It may be easier to post the charts and just let you look.

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posted December 08, 2016 09:53 AM            

In lieu of my own experiences, though, here is a very cute couple:

Tom Hardy
8 Cancer Mars
13 Libra Pluto

Charlotte Riley, his wife
6 Libra Mars
7 Cap sun

They seem really happy.

posted December 08, 2016 12:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

Tom Hardy
8 Cancer Mars
13 Libra Pluto

Charlotte Riley, his wife
6 Libra Mars
7 Cap sun

They seem really happy.

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posted September 20, 2018 02:31 AM            

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I'm really interested it the T-square configuration in synastry atm. There's a lot around about the "missing leg" to a natal T-square, but not much around about JUST the T-square.

CC, I know that this is a long time ago but, looking at your grid, I'd take a guess and say that the issue with - not being able to work it out no matter how you tried - had more to do with the EXACT inconjuncts you have between your Suns AND your Marses.

Also, between both people, there are no other outlets: it's the only personal aspect for the horizontal Sun, and the only personal aspect for the vertical Mars. So, neither of these planets had another access way "in" to the other person via these important planets.

posted September 20, 2018 02:34 AM            

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Originally posted by LionFish:
One of my best friends of 20 years (Im lucky enough to have two of them ) shares a t-square in synastry with me. Her Moon/Uranus opposition is squared by my Sun and my Sun square Mars/Uranus is completed by her Moon squaring my Sun and opposing my Mars/Uranus.

I wonder if the way a Tsquare is completed in synastry affects the outcome.

What I mean by that is this:

Let's take my chart for example. My square is between my Pisces Sun/Mer (25 & 26 Pis) and my Sag Mars/Uranus (22 & 23 Sag). So it can be completed by a person's planet in Gemini or Virgo from about 20-26 degrees.

Now take my friend. Her Moon is at 23 Gemini. Completing my T-square. But then her own natal opposition lies right on top of the oppostion with my Sag placements. And my Sun/Merc completes the Apex of her opposition into the t-square. The completions fall directly on top of each other.

Would we be friends, or have been friends so long, if her Uranus did not create that opposition with her Moon?

Now take that same square between my Sun and Mars/Uranus and say it's completed by a Gemini Moon. But they have no square or opposition to their Moon in their natal. Their Moon has just been thrown into a war zone and all it's ever known is love and laughter with a trine to Jupiter.
But let's say that same person has a natal Leo Sun opposing their Saturn in Aquarius between 4-10 degrees. My natal Pluto would complete that t-square at 7 Scorpio. But without a natal square to my Pluto, there is no overlapping completion.

Do the conjunctions involved in making these overlapping completions make it easier to face the challenges presented by the t-square pattern?

My friend and I have lived together multiple times and cohabitation suits us. We can also go weeks without seeing each other only to love each other just as much when we see each other next. We have Moon-Uranus DW.

I wonder.

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LionFish, I love love your thinking here and the depth of of your reflection. We are a good match in that I ponder along similar lines and I love what you've contributed here. Going to that extra depth in astrology is sensational!

I have asked some questions about the T-square elsewhere (think I started a thread?).. I am curious about my Ascendant T-square to a Mars/Saturn Opposition. My Moon widely conjunct the Mars (hubba hubba). Quite different with an ascendant I think. I'm just standing by and watching it play out (or not).

I am also curious about the T-square in the Composite, AND also natals forming T-square to the composite. Great thread

posted September 20, 2018 04:44 AM            

It all started with a bang, the flirting was of the charts! There was so much tension, it made me all dizzy some days!

Then this winter, we started to have crisis. He turned out to be a very very moody person. Lots of subtle power plays, crisis, manupulations, irritation, anger and resentment. But everything was "unspoken" so to speak.

Now, I just feel he is a friend. I know he still is attracted, but he too are not wanting back a "flirtationship". I tried a long time (7-8 monts for us to get back to that energy we had before, but alas, its over.

So it started with fireworks, fizzled down, and now it feels empty, for me. He is still caring and seing me as a friend and we see each other at school almost everyday, lunch etc. But thats about it. I now try my best to not flirt at all with him. Other then eyec contact and smiles.
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We have a big t-square involving 8 planets!
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My other guy friend I have no feelings for, we have no t-squares and our relationship really has grown slowly but steadily to the better. I have had some turning points crisis with him at 1-2 times.

After last one he apologized and thus really won my trust and it made me open up more to him and be much warmer to him etc. He in turn started to be much more warmer and caring, our relationship is drama free and feels "steady". We have a big "rectangle" and a cross with few opposites in our composite.

T-squares in composite seems to indicate crazy attraction, and lots and lots of tension that will really hurt the relationship if its not channeled correctly, what I understand anyway?