posted December 02, 2016 02:33 PM            

"It is really worth looking through our synastry and composite charts, and noting these configurations, observing how a particular individual drives our self-development or perhaps just drives us crazy!"

posted December 02, 2016 03:05 PM            

So if you have opposition in your chart, then somebody's planet squaring both planets in opposition will create a t-square.

posted December 02, 2016 03:06 PM            

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posted December 02, 2016 03:18 PM            

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
Oh, I also have it with a friend that..I am no longer friends with, because we could not get along no matter how much we tried. Constant arguments.

But you see, my ex did not mind this t-square then because he never wanted our relationship to end. He wanted to work at it.

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Did you have good moon synastry with your ex. Moons trump most things imo.

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posted December 02, 2016 03:28 PM            

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posted December 02, 2016 03:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Did you have good moon synastry with your ex. Moons trump most things imo.

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posted December 02, 2016 03:32 PM            

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posted December 02, 2016 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
How close were these aspects, C?

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posted December 02, 2016 04:35 PM            

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
This is good:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004767.html

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posted December 02, 2016 06:08 PM            

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
ReachingForTheStars,

thank you for sharing! So you think it's not easy but worth it in the end, correct?

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posted December 02, 2016 06:34 PM            

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
I don't know if I will be in this marriage forever, but I did get to know myself better because of it and I believe I will be better for it. Transit Saturn is currently on my descendant opposing my sun, so I've been in a state of reflection and reevaluation.

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You know, I can totally relate to that! I've learnt so much about myself through my t-squared marriage. Of course it didn't have a happy ending..I mean it's a happy one when it's Not ending, right? But I feel like this union was needed to prepare me for the better future, with whoever it may be.

posted December 02, 2016 08:21 PM            

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
You know, I can totally relate to that! I've learnt so much about myself through my t-squared marriage. Of course it didn't have a happy ending..I mean it's a happy one when it's Not ending, right? But I feel like this union was needed to prepare me for the better future, with whoever it may be.

Wow, tr. Saturn on Dsc AND opposite Sun! What a test. Unlike me, I think you seem to have made friends with Saturn, you just sound so measured, calm, collected and mature about 7th house matters. Thumbs up!

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Haha! That's funny because I think of my experience as preparing me for something better as well. Isn't that the gem that all that friction and pressure creates? Hopefully, this will prove to be more than wishful thinking.

posted December 03, 2016 12:39 AM            

I saw the other thread that got really off track and ugly, so I didn't comment there. But I wanted to say that a 7 year relationship is not a failure. If anything I think it proves that hard aspects can draw people together, but it won't necessarily be easy. With Saturn involved it's guaranteed to not be easy, but the purpose is to learn life lessons, and come out of it(together or not) with a greater understanding and a lot of personal growth.

I seriously cannot stand the cookie cutter good vs bad aspects. Some people lack the ability to understand the complex nature of relationships, and instead choose to see the world in black/white and good/bad. That is such a myopic view of human nature. Even years of studying charts and psychology cannot separate such a person from their preconceived, inside the box thinking.

I haven't had the easiest relationships, including my own family members, but these relationships have made me the person that I am. I would never want to be in an easy relationship that didn't challenge me in some way, or offer a little drama now and then. I have a lot of Scorpio and 8th house in my chart including a Moon/Pluto conjunction, so an easy going relationship would be boring and suffocating to me. I also have Venus conjunct Saturn in the 8th, so I guess I inherently feel that any love worth having is hard work and worth fighting for.

People with challenging aspects are bound to meet others that hit all of those planets with soft OR hard aspects, otherwise they would not be interested in the other person to begin with. As a matter of fact the hard aspects are more likely to be felt early on, drawing two people together. It's all about personal growth and learning to relate to those that bring out the best and the worst in you, AND learning how to compromise.

posted December 03, 2016 01:57 PM            

I wanted to apologize to you for what happened on the other thread and I didnt think you'd be back to read it, so I'm posting it here. I did not mean for you, or anyone else for that matter to feel offended, I just wanted the argument to stop so what I had opened the thread for could be addressed. I am sorry if I came off as rude. That was never my intention.

As for this topic, I think that how a t-square will affect a relationship and the people involved greatly depends on the planets involved in said t-square. I also agree with Bluejay that 7 years is not a failed marriage, but maybe with Saturn involved in your t-square the reason for ending was that you had learned all you could from each other.

posted December 03, 2016 05:30 PM            

So you have something similar to what I have (different planets). I want to do a little T-square autopsy of yours (T-square! . Tell me if this is how it works. Or tell me if this is Not how it works! I’m trying of get to the bottom of it.

Let’s say that T-square is a roof held by 2 walls, squares being walls and roof – an opposition. The roof is not ok, walls neither. But roof will stay if we look after the walls. Without resolving the square issues, opposition will remain a key problem.

1) Your Venus opposite his Venus will be dealt with if you both work on your Mars (his) Venus (yours) square and he works on his Venus Mars square.

2) His Moon to his IC, Saturn, Jupiter and Mercury opposition will be taken care of (meaning the problems of the opposition in the context of your relationship) if you both work on your Moon (yours) to IC, Saturn, Jupiter and Mercury (his) square and Moon (yours) to Moon (his) square.

posted December 03, 2016 07:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Bluejay:
@CapriciousCapricorn,

I seriously cannot stand the cookie cutter good vs bad aspects. Some people lack the ability to understand the complex nature of relationships, and instead choose to see the world in black/white and good/bad. That is such a myopic view of human nature. Even years of studying charts and psychology cannot separate such a person from their preconceived, inside the box thinking.

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Bluejay,

Thank you! I don’t know..maybe this is me? You see, I wouldn’t say that I lack the ability to understand the complex nature of relationships. I get it, marriage is hard work. It is! But I don’t want it to be too hard. I don’t want it to be work work work work and no rest, no fun, no fairytale. It’s not good enough for me if something good comes out of something bad (bad for me, maybe not for others who think it’s a good thing!) many years later. It’s just not for me. I am for black and white, yes. There is grey. But that’s middle of the road for me, I’m not good at compromise. Again, most folks are, they learn to adjust. I understand you and other people who explain why they like T-squares. I’m sure that by many people and many couples T-squares are not seen the way I describe them.

You said that you cannot stand the cookie cutter good vs bad aspects. I think now if you ask just about anyone they will tell you this: ‘I don’t like narrow-minded people, I don’t like those people who think everything is black and white in this world, I don’t like inflexible people, people who can’t think a little deeper’. Because we think we’re different to those people. It’s all in our perception. I understood that I was perceived as that person in the thread you mentioned. And I felt very misunderstood. I wanted to explain myself but maybe even my best explanation will still be misunderstood. I pay attention to the words people use in their astro-posts. Hardly anyone uses the words ‘good’ and ‘bad’. Why? Because they know better Because they don’t want to be viewed as narrow-minded and old-school astrology. But there is nothing wrong with those words per se. They just reflect our perception of something. They are not a fact. So many times I reiterate that square has both positives and negatives but still people omit that, they point out I call square ‘bad’, then criticise and label me. Well, I perceive hard aspects as bad. Because you have to deal with them! And I can’t deal with them so for me they Are bad, in that sense. In my chart I have a packed 5th house, all fun fun fun, I’m not good with responsibility, not good with taking on challenges/difficulties/all the hard adult stuff, not good with punctuality, discipline, generally not reliable. At the same time I realise squares in other peoples charts can be a blessing for them! Just like planet placements that I can call ‘bad’, it’s not a fact they are (merely my perception) because a lot of good can come out of them too. Somebody with ‘weak’ Mars in Cancer might turn out a coward or turn out an Olympian medal winner. But I don’t know which of the two the person will become so when I see their chart the first time I will say ‘Mars is weak’, ‘BAD placement for Mars’, ‘And this bad placement might also become your greatest’.

posted December 03, 2016 07:29 PM            

thank you for sharing with me your story too!

You are so Plutonic and also (like ReachForTheStars) so mature (you said Venus conjunct Saturn right?). Well, you are a hard cookie! And you don't like a cookie cutter

posted December 03, 2016 07:51 PM            

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Originally posted by LionFish:
@CapriciousCapricorn

I wanted to apologize to you for what happened on the other thread and I didnt think you'd be back to read it, so I'm posting it here. I did not mean for you, or anyone else for that matter to feel offended, I just wanted the argument to stop so what I had opened the thread for could be addressed. I am sorry if I came off as rude. That was never my intention.

As for this topic, I think that how a t-square will affect a relationship and the people involved greatly depends on the planets involved in said t-square. I also agree with Bluejay that 7 years is not a failed marriage, but maybe with Saturn involved in your t-square the reason for ending was that you had learned all you could from each other.

I hope this finds you well

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LionFish,