posted December 09, 2016 07:44 PM            

The Sugarbabes tell it as it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhRuIqIy7Iw

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posted December 10, 2016 11:46 AM            

I find that hard Pluto contacts (square, opposition, and also conjunction) always, always bring a level of underhanded manipulation, obsession and control. After all, Pluto is not the God of Love, but the God of death, abduction and rape (Hades abducted Persepone to the underworld), and rebirth.

posted December 10, 2016 12:00 PM            

hahahaa...@ Belage and the " refuse to die with their name on my lips"

yes, I have noticed this as well, if the person is not a romantic interest, the Pluto link CAN BE overbearing and hostile, but then again It depends of course.

posted December 10, 2016 12:02 PM            

My pluto is in Scorpio and I avoid my best it conjunct someone's moon, (or hard aspects but especially conjunct). I attracted scorpio moon once, he made it very clear he chased me, but, no thank you that I rejected him twice, he then forever gives me that "look" between f*ck you and uncomfortable mix feelings (I don't know how to describe it).

You know as at a young age, it is rarely to find a mature Scorpio moon, so it is most likely once in a lifetime this relationship can bring a toxic and/or a bad psychological impact to the other especially if the other want a healthy, happy, easy going, less drama, less intense relationship.

As my natal chart full with air and fire mix with only water venus in personal planet, I avoid Moon/Pluto hard aspect (especially conjunct) in synastry, although some say "it is your one and only".

Without Moon/Pluto hard aspect in synastry, I can still have "my one and only" with other aspects in synastry.

posted December 10, 2016 07:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
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hahahaa...@ Belage and the " refuse to die with their name on my lips"

yes, I have noticed this as well, if the person is not a romantic interest, the Pluto link CAN BE overbearing and hostile, but then again It depends of course.

HOWEVER, if the link is of a romantic nature, oh my god...Pluto displaces all other planetary interactions, overrides them and the relationship becomes just ..PLUTO all over. Like a mutation of sort.

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EXCEPT when he (moon) gets all intense with me (Pluto) I totally fall for him, and then he disappears! I just cut the cord again, karmic release...let's see if it's permanent. I'm not obsessing as of the past two days, thank goodness!!!!

We have a pretty much exact moon/pluot conjunct, Venus square pluto exact, and Moon conjunct mars, plus a bunch of other annoying aspects that keep him in my mind. Not sure if he's playing games or just panicked by the connection, but I'm not pushing this. I'm trying to trust and have faith that spirit might be keeping this from evolving for a very good reason, and I need to accept that. Perhaps my lesson is learning to let go and surrender.

So hard, I also conjunct his north node with my moon and my mars. I dunno....it feels so "right". But how can it be when he's just sitting back and doing nothing? As much as I want him, I will NOT chase. I tried to reach out to clear the air (I feel we need some honesty at this point) and he just never responded. Jus like that. This is the third time he has left me hanging like that. I take baby steps (I have intimacy issues so little steps are a BIG deal for me) and then he backs away leaving me feeling dejected.

posted December 11, 2016 07:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Ami, you're so in love with Pluto. lol.

I find that hard Pluto contacts (square, opposition, and also conjunction) always, always bring a level of underhanded manipulation, obsession and control. After all, Pluto is not the God of Love, but the God of death, abduction and rape (Hades abducted Persepone to the underworld), and rebirth.

While some of us may enjoy these types of interactions in our romantic relationships, when the people involved are not romantic partners, things can be difficult, even hellish. I have this unfortunate conjunction with an enemy and let's just say, it's not pretty. I refuse to die with that person's name on my lips.

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posted December 11, 2016 09:08 AM            

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Originally posted by LexusVirgo:
I had moon conjunct pluto with a man back in 2009. I was the pluto , I thought we had a deep connection. But he lied about being single it ripped out my heart because he picked her and I felt really deeply for him.

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posted December 11, 2016 10:17 AM            

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I am probably the minority here but I dislike Pluto contacts in synastry. I know most people love and desire them but I don't like it. Right now with the guy I'm seeing my Pluto is tightly squared his Moon. There is a feeling of being uncomfortable ...it's as if they see through you...I also feel the jealousy already. It's an exhausting aspect.

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Isn't the Pluto rather the one who see through Moon, feel his sensitive side and be aware of someone's fear? I find Moon rather the one who can be hurt by Pluto than opposite, can fall under spell even if is aware there's something wrong.

posted December 11, 2016 11:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Dream, I feel you , girl, i feel you!!!

but yes, if he doesnt respond than it's better to just leave him alone no matter how hard it is to do so.

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posted December 11, 2016 01:40 PM            

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Originally posted by DreamCatcher:
It's so hard Orange!

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Deep SIGH

I know this feeling all too well. I know it is hard to force yourself and pull yourself out of the swamp by your own hair.

posted December 11, 2016 03:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:

Deep SIGH

I know this feeling all too well. I know it is hard to force yourself and pull yourself out of the swamp by your own hair.

Guess you need to live it and see what happens next. Pluto leaves only when no stones remain unturned.

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Orange- YOU will appreciate this. I had a similar scenario with someone else in 2013. Very profound soul connection, but softer- we had mars/trine pluto- amongst heavy sun moon aspects, a lot of 8 house overlays, I even wondered if he was my "twin flame" at that time (if I believe in such things) anyway, I was married at the time but he played a major role in my soul growth (whether he knows it or not) and he knew it was off limits for me to have an affair- BUT OMG the tension! (although I felt he was more obsessed.)

Ironically- I'm over that finally (or so I thought). In 2014 he received a job transfer and left my life , just like that. NO contact since. I emailed him once and he never responded. Guess who I run into last night?? YUP. The universe is definitely messing with me...but- whats the lesson here??? Where's "my" guy??? LOL

posted December 11, 2016 03:24 PM            

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Once needs a distraction. I had a similar situation once and what helped was forcing myself to pay attention to other guys. This can be done through meeting them through friends or joining a dating site and striking up conversations with one or two. It does work - at least it provides a break from constantly wondering. Other distractions will also help, e.g., subscribing to Netflix and watching movies every night or joining courses. And one day you'll notice that you thought of this person hardly at all, or for fewer hours in the day.

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posted December 11, 2016 03:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Once needs a distraction. I had a similar situation once and what helped was forcing myself to pay attention to other guys. This can be done through meeting them through friends or joining a dating site and striking up conversations with one or two. It does work - at least it provides a break from constantly wondering. Other distractions will also help, e.g., subscribing to Netflix and watching movies every night or joining courses. And one day you'll notice that you thought of this person hardly at all, or for fewer hours in the day.

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posted December 14, 2016 10:10 AM            

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Originally posted by colorful butterfly:
So who is the person who feels what? I have my pluto conjunct anothers moon and it is in the composite as well. He doesn't really express his feelings although I sense them but I just go by what he shows.

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The Pluto wants to control and the moon is swept up in the passion. Both feel passionately but the Pluto is more of the controller and the Moon, the recipient.

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posted December 18, 2016 01:47 PM            

The other guy where my pluto is on his moon, his Saturn is conjunct my mars. Just seems like we are either really into each other, argueing to the point of hating one another or totally indifferent to one another. I'm a cancer, we need stability and structure would be nice. Knowing what's what etc. so enjoying the moments are all I can do if I choose to see him.

posted December 18, 2016 11:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Too bad this is a teaching thread instead of a discussion thread. If I tell how moon conjunct Pluto plays out in my long-term marriage, and how much it does NOT fit Ami's description , people will say I'm being contentious. Oh well......

Please don't quote

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