posted March 16, 2017 03:08 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
This is by far one of the worse aspects a man can have in his chart.

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Either the material you've been reading is seriously off balance, and/or or you have cherry picked from it to fit a negative view. It represents absolute impoverishment of astrological insight.

There is nothing -- absolutely zero -- about Moon and Venus in any aspect that in any way implies "secret hate for women".

Any such opinion wrongly characterizes the square aspect as necessarily negative.

Important principle: No aspect dynamic ever changes the nature of the planets involved, only their relationship. The planets should first be considered. A square aspect cannot turn need (Moon) or affection (Venus) into hate.

Better to observe and let someone show you who they are than to prejudge based in single astrological factors. And better to not use astrology at all than to use this kind.

Firstly, consider the Moon: it relates to the inner subjective self, the inner feminine, the inner well of feelings and memories, the subconscious, and our needs for touch and connection. Moon relates to mother, and women generally in the charts of men.

Secondly, consider Venus: it relates to affection, values, and the form in which we wish our ideals to materialize. It is also admiration.

Thirdly, consider the square: it brings energies of strong pressure which relate to deep drives and needs originating in one's early or pre-life necessary to drive one forward. This relates the principle of the Asc at right angle (90°) to 4th cusp/Lunar principle and 10th cusp/Saturn principle. With these two planets its speaks to strong need for affirmation, affection, and beauty.

With these two planets together the need for love, affection, beauty, affirmation is strongly emphasized, possibly to the point of craving or over-indulgence. That is the one negative potential of these two sweet energies together: a sweet tooth for potential indulgences (food, ladies).

Moon square Venus energies can be used in various ways. But it may be true that a lot these men expect a lot from a woman or from women generally if they don't have a healthy creative outlet that remains fertile and feeds back into their own self-worth. Creative activities should be applied ongoing by those with this aspect so as to support a self-esteem that needs to be regularly affirmed emotionally.

This is an aspect of artistry. You can find it in the birth charts of poet Robert Browning, author James Joyce, actor Don Johnson, musicians Alice Cooper and Dwight Yoakam. Females include actresses Katie Holmes and Greta Garbo.

Here is a more reasonable coloration of this aspect: http://cafeastrology.com/natal/moonvenusaspects.html

posted March 16, 2017 04:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Either the material you've been reading is seriously off balance, and/or or you have cherry picked from it to fit a negative view. It represents absolute impoverishment of astrological insight.

There is nothing -- absolutely zero -- about Moon and Venus in any aspect that in any way implies "secret hate for women".

Any such opinion wrongly characterizes the square aspect as necessarily negative.

[b]Important principle: No aspect dynamic ever changes the nature of the planets involved, only their relationship. The planets should first be considered. A square aspect cannot turn need (Moon) or affection (Venus) into hate.

Better to observe and let someone show you who they are than to prejudge based in single astrological factors. And better to not use astrology at all than to use this kind.

Firstly, consider the Moon: it relates to the inner subjective self, the inner feminine, the inner well of feelings and memories, the subconscious, and our needs for touch and connection. Moon relates to mother, and women generally in the charts of men.

Secondly, consider Venus: it relates to affection, values, and the form in which we wish our ideals to materialize. It is also admiration.

Thirdly, consider the square: it brings energies of strong pressure which relate to deep drives and needs originating in one's early or pre-life necessary to drive one forward. This relates the principle of the Asc at right angle (90°) to 4th cusp/Lunar principle and 10th cusp/Saturn principle. With these two planets its speaks to strong need for affirmation, affection, and beauty.

With these two planets together the need for love, affection, beauty, affirmation is strongly emphasized, possibly to the point of craving or over-indulgence. That is the one negative potential of these two sweet energies together: a sweet tooth for potential indulgences (food, ladies).

Moon square Venus energies can be used in various ways. But it may be true that a lot these men expect a lot from a woman or from women generally if they don't have a healthy creative outlet that remains fertile and feeds back into their own self-worth. Creative activities should be applied ongoing by those with this aspect so as to support a self-esteem that needs to be regularly affirmed emotionally.

This is an aspect of artistry. You can find it in the birth charts of poet Robert Browning, author James Joyce, actor Don Johnson, musicians Alice Cooper and Dwight Yoakam. Females include actresses Katie Holmes and Greta Garbo.

Here is a more reasonable coloration of this aspect: http://cafeastrology.com/natal/moonvenusaspects.html

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posted March 16, 2017 05:01 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Well you said men with this aspect can be over indulgent with ladies. So basically this can be a cheating aspect for men and I was right.

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Not necessarily. You can never pin cheating on any single aspect in astrology. It may just mean they need a lot of affection and attention from any one woman/women in general to point of over-indulging, but not that they will cheat on someone they are committed to just to get said attention/affection. They may just be especially clingy or needy in a relationship.

posted March 16, 2017 05:15 PM            

All these sites say that this aspect is a sign of Infidelity in a natal chart.

http://astrolady.wixsite.com/astrolady/infidelity-in-the-natal-chart
http://www.cosmitec-astrological-compatibility-advice.com/signs-of-infidelity.html

This one talks about how this aspect is an indicator for hatred towards women.

posted March 16, 2017 07:29 PM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
ChildofVenus, you seem to challenge what people tell you when you ask a question. You have to expect when you ask a question like this, you may get answers that differ from your own beliefs. Other people have given you their perspective, but you can choose to believe those articles wholeheartedly if they ring true for you.

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posted March 16, 2017 08:45 PM              

He has moon in Virgo squaring Venus in Gemini, and square Uranus in Sag to top it all off. I think there is a certain 'wanting both' of his Gemini Venus and his Virgo Moon, which can definitely work out. I'm a Sag Sun conjunct his Uranus and I have a Virgo Mars sextile his Venus by degree so there's pieces of me that fit both.

Honestly the biggest love issue with him is not that nobody fits his criteria but that he falls in love with unavailable people, often best friends. And he super super values his freedom above all, just like me

So basically it really depends on the person. Don't be scared if you see the aspect. I have Mars square Pluto opposite Saturn but I can't even kill a bug without feeling bad. Just get to know them. And also, it is said that squares can turn into healthy and strong character traits once they are mastered.

posted March 16, 2017 09:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
Ok my boyfriend has this aspect and he's honestly the sweetest and most sincere guy I've been involved with. No hate for women, actually I can tell he really values women, or femininity, and has like a really great understanding of the values of each gender.

He has moon in Virgo squaring Venus in Gemini, and square Uranus in Sag to top it all off. I think there is a certain 'wanting both' of his Gemini Venus and his Virgo Moon, which can definitely work out. I'm a Sag Sun conjunct his Uranus and I have a Virgo Mars sextile his Venus by degree so there's pieces of me that fit both.

Honestly the biggest love issue with him is not that nobody fits his criteria but that he falls in love with unavailable people, often best friends. And he super super values his freedom above all, just like me

So basically it really depends on the person. Don't be scared if you see the aspect. I have Mars square Pluto opposite Saturn but I can't even kill a bug without feeling bad. Just get to know them. And also, it is said that squares can turn into healthy and strong character traits once they are mastered.

Edit: Oh yeah, he's an amazing artist and eats a bar of chocolate every day. Haha Kannon is right on point

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posted March 17, 2017 12:08 AM            

I think Kannon McAfee makes excellent points here. I'd like to also bring up a few things that haven't been mentioned.

First of all, I believe in the masculinity and femininity of signs and planets, and as well I believe in innate duality in a person, aka everyone has masculine and feminine energy. So this is my take when we consider that traditional ideology to be true: Moon and Venus are the planets of the feminine domicile. The expression of feminine energies in a man's chart can often express itself as projection onto another. When Moon is square Venus, we can see there is a fundamental incompatibility between what feels good for the individual versus what is good for them. In the context of a relationship, this can indicate men who have trouble with their widely varying needs when it comes to a partner. The only potential way in which this could lead to infidelity is if the carrier of this aspect is a scumbag.

Aspects are highly overemphasized in contemporary astrology. The sign and house placement of the inner planets is essential for getting a full reading of how this can resonate in a person's natal chart.

I know of a man who has Venus in Cancer square Moon in Libra in natal. He falls in love with these flighty and unavailable women and he does not understand why his undying love for them does not cure them of their flightiness and unavailability. He does not have a cheating bone in his body, rather it's HE who finds it very hard to keep them. His last girlfriend was a model. Their relationship was off and on due to her schedule and emotional unavailability and that gutted him emotionally. He wanted Venus in Cancer nesting to go with that Moon in Libra beauty and intelligence. That's hard for one person to embody. He was "too smothering" for her (her words!) but eventually he was the one who ended it. What he told me was that "he decided not to invest any more feelings into this." His Venus in Cancer lost out on that one, and Moon in Libra coldly amputated the relationship from his life in the end. This is a tale of his over-indulgence, yes, but without a single shred of infidelity to it.

Moon square Venus in a man's chart creates creative impetus. Due to their widely varying needs in regards to expressing their classically feminine energy, they are more likely to feel alignment with the arts and creativity. For the man I mentioned above, who is a successful songwriter, there is reciprocal sign rulership. He has Venus in a sign with a Moon ruler, and Moon in a sign with a Venus ruler. He is known for being somewhat feminine at times and is certainly not an alpha male, despite Mars in Aries and a Leo sun. He is a wine collector. At his house I was once marvelling over a rare bottle of Sauternes, one of the finest wines in the world. He opened it for me right then and there and insisted on pouring a glass for me. The tradition and appointed elegance of wine resonates with Moon in Libra, but Venus in Cancer sees the beauty of actual nourishment. As for the cost of the wine, well...he's a Leo.

posted March 17, 2017 03:48 PM            

To be over-indulgent with women, a man could be over-indulging them in their wants or wishes, not necessarily over-indulging his own wishes. In no way did that imply infidelity.

I also have a website and it does not contain the pre-determinism of the sources you give above. It has in-depth content, no fluff, and you can read its articles anytime.

When we approach astrology as a way of protecting ourselves from 'bad' people who could hurt us, we're biased by our own fears and negative expectations. This colors interpretation, which of course can always find support from those who are using astrology similarly.

ChildofVenus, I think you have potential for very good intuition about people apart from use of astrology. I see this in your Moon in Aquarius sextile Mercury and Jupiter, trine Mars, and parallel Saturn and Neptune. The Saturn part is definitely a challenge, to be aware of your own needs of a subjective inner/bodily nature, but also to be free of fear -- a very common challenge for Moon-Saturn folks. This Moon parallel Saturn aspect appears to be the tightest one in your chart (orb 0°07').

Overcoming that will release Neptune's gifts to your lunar sensibilities, which means intuition. This intuition operates moment-to-moment and is far more in tune with people as they are at any time, regardless of their past mistakes or choices. So it is more powerful than astrology, which only refers to a person's starting place of background astrological energies to be put to use, maximized.

This is your gift-in-waiting if you develop it, for the outer three transcendent planets ask us to develop past the limits of material/Saturnine sensibilities and fear to tap into what power and vision we truly desire for mutual benefit with our fellows on Earth.

posted March 20, 2017 07:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Infidelity is a [b]behavior of human choice. It is not predetermined by any birth chart factor.

To be over-indulgent with women, a man could be over-indulging them in their wants or wishes, not necessarily over-indulging his own wishes. In no way did that imply infidelity.

I also have a website and it does not contain the pre-determinism of the sources you give above. It has in-depth content, no fluff, and you can read its articles anytime.

When we approach astrology as a way of protecting ourselves from 'bad' people who could hurt us, we're biased by our own fears and negative expectations. This colors interpretation, which of course can always find support from those who are using astrology similarly.

ChildofVenus, I think you have potential for very good intuition about people apart from use of astrology. I see this in your Moon in Aquarius sextile Mercury and Jupiter, trine Mars, and parallel Saturn and Neptune. The Saturn part is definitely a challenge, to be aware of your own needs of a subjective inner/bodily nature, but also to be free of fear -- a very common challenge for Moon-Saturn folks. This Moon parallel Saturn aspect appears to be the tightest one in your chart (orb 0°07').

Overcoming that will release Neptune's gifts to your lunar sensibilities, which means intuition. This intuition operates moment-to-moment and is far more in tune with people as they are at any time, regardless of their past mistakes or choices. So it is more powerful than astrology, which only refers to a person's starting place of background astrological energies to be put to use, maximized.

This is your gift-in-waiting if you develop it, for the outer three transcendent planets ask us to develop past the limits of material/Saturnine sensibilities and fear to tap into what power and vision we truly desire for mutual benefit with our fellows on Earth.

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posted December 31, 2019 07:22 PM            

Kannon McAfee - insightful and so good at unpicking the complexities. Thank you.

Selenite - personal experience is always good. Thank you.

Funny, just after reading this though, I read this next thread (below). And where MertSerima offers a solution to the dilemma of this aspect:

"I have a Moon-Square-Venus also by the way
Conclusion: WE ARE DOOMED NOT TO HAVE an EPİC RELATİONSHİP FOR LONG.

-Just date with two partners one of who will satisfy your moon and the other one will satisfy your Venus.

PROBLEM SOLVED!!!"

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/207771.html

posted January 01, 2020 12:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Infidelity is a [b]behavior of human choice. It is not predetermined by any birth chart factor.

To be over-indulgent with women, a man could be over-indulging them in their wants or wishes, not necessarily over-indulging his own wishes. In no way did that imply infidelity.

I also have a website and it does not contain the pre-determinism of the sources you give above. It has in-depth content, no fluff, and you can read its articles anytime.

When we approach astrology as a way of protecting ourselves from 'bad' people who could hurt us, we're biased by our own fears and negative expectations. This colors interpretation, which of course can always find support from those who are using astrology similarly.

ChildofVenus, I think you have potential for very good intuition about people apart from use of astrology. I see this in your Moon in Aquarius sextile Mercury and Jupiter, trine Mars, and parallel Saturn and Neptune. The Saturn part is definitely a challenge, to be aware of your own needs of a subjective inner/bodily nature, but also to be free of fear -- a very common challenge for Moon-Saturn folks. This Moon parallel Saturn aspect appears to be the tightest one in your chart (orb 0°07').

Overcoming that will release Neptune's gifts to your lunar sensibilities, which means intuition. This intuition operates moment-to-moment and is far more in tune with people as they are at any time, regardless of their past mistakes or choices. So it is more powerful than astrology, which only refers to a person's starting place of background astrological energies to be put to use, maximized.

This is your gift-in-waiting if you develop it, for the outer three transcendent planets ask us to develop past the limits of material/Saturnine sensibilities and fear to tap into what power and vision we truly desire for mutual benefit with our fellows on Earth.

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posted January 01, 2020 04:56 PM            

In Synastry my Sun conj his Pisces Moon by 1 degree and my Gemini Moon conj his Venus also by 1 degree.

Pretty great aspects right? But I guess my persona highlights his personal issue, and his issue happens to be this..

The women he usually feels attracted to, he doesn’t feel an emotional connection to. His Gemini Venus hooked up with a lot of girls, mostly one-night/two-night stands.

He’s at a point now where he wants a relationship badly because he’s never had a profound connection before.