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posted May 31, 2017 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here Beautiuful_Light!

I think you will enjoy this and help you interpret this synastry aspect for you:

"Lilith tells us where the person can act freely, without ego

the free universal female energy flows through

free to relationships without ego, for the universe to act on behalf of the person and initiate i.e.

free to be themselves , free to heal their soul if they allow the energy to run through them

this is where the universe can flow in and heal aspects of our soul


just as the moon it is related to our emotions
our emotions will usually feel like hell if we neglect our black moon, because it tells us to be wild, it is our wild side, we want to be wild
but in this world of responsible saturian nature we can never be wild, our true selves

if you let your black moon rule you one day, you may grow as a soul, heal old wounds


a good aspect that says where the person can be 'fully free' , 'fully open to the universe' without ego"

http://hamderser.dk/blog/black-moon-lilith-meaning-astrology

Like I said I am really digging agapenor conjunct lilith! truly an unconditional love synastry aspect, not to mention super hot lol..

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posted May 31, 2017 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Beautiful_Light:
Love Jewel, but I'm still kind of divided on Valentine because I have seen it in selfish karmic connections but it doesn't feature as strongly in my soulmate ones. For me it is more sexual/transformative (goes with Juno, Pluto, Lilith and Karma).

You have given me a lot to think about, with the composite with my ex we have Valentine trine Amor forming a sextile with agapenor conjunct neptune so perhaps that is why I associate valentine so strongly with unconditional love but since is part of a pattern is hard to differentiate between the different energies.

Composite:

Valentine in Libra @23d15
Amor in Aquarius @22d35
Agapenor in Sagittarius @23d40
Neptune in Sagittarius @23d57

Agapenor conjunct Neptune is at the apex of a tsquare with Venus opposite Moon:

Agapenor in Sagittarius @23d40
Neptune in Sagittarius @23d57
Venus in Virgo @22d46
Moon in Pisces @18d13

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posted May 31, 2017 01:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beautiful_Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That is a fascinating question indeed and I like what is going bt you two synastry wise, sexy...

I think that means that you see him as wild and free, eccentric too perhaps and you love that about him unconditionally, you want him to be wild and don't want to tame him. In turn your love for him moves him, he has never felt more loved till now bc he feels you truly see him and accept him just as he is since the lilith side of us is typically the side that society rejects, fears and doesn't understand.

I have AC in scorpio square lilith and my exe's agapenor conjuncts my AC. I truly felt he saw through me, all of me and accepted me as I was. I felt he understood my essence instead of fearing it and walking away, he embraced it instead, understood it and respected it.

Agapenor conjunct lilith sounds awesome, like unconditional love truly.


WOW, thank you so much hypatia, I think you really hit the nail on the head!!

YES he has a wild side and I love that about him!!! His Asc conjunct my Uranus too. I don't want to change a thing about him . We have Lilith-Eros DW in our Venus Returns and Venus-Eros DW in our Synastry/Draconic (and a lot more Lilith and Eros in our synastry and composite). In the Draco charts my Jupiter conjuncts his Lilith and his Amor is near my Lilith, adding to the supportive aspects!

Thank you for explaining this connection! I am prominently Lilith myself (she conjuncts my Part of Fortune and IC) and I feel that BML is indeed feared and easily misunderstood. If this means our love can bring freedom to each other, I can't imagine anything better!

Agapenor conjunct Ascendant sounds truly lovely

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posted May 31, 2017 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beautiful_Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:

Like I said I am really digging agapenor conjunct lilith! truly an unconditional love synastry aspect, not to mention super hot lol..


Wow that's awesome, I didn't know that BML could be a gateway for healing as well! That makes sense because we do have loads of Chiron as well: his Juno conjunct my Chiron in Draco (which is a Magi long-term linkage) and my Mercury sextile his Chiron on my MC (healing through my words. My Mercury also conjuncts his IC so apparently I am able to speak to his soul!). His D9 MC is on my natal Chiron so that's a DW! Also in Draco, his Moon/Vertex conjuncts my MC and apparently this is a healing aspect as well...and what do you know...Agapenor is conjunct our composite MC and Moon!

Chiron will be transiting my DC over the next while and he's got Chiron conj Alma on his natal Ceres in his next Venus Return and Solar Return.

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posted May 31, 2017 01:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beautiful_Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You have given me a lot to think about, with the composite with my ex we have Valentine trine Amor forming a sextile with agapenor conjunct neptune so perhaps that is why I associate valentine so strongly with unconditional love but since is part of a pattern is hard to differentiate between the different energies.


I feel like Valentine can have multiple meanings so if you feel that it means unconditional love, then by all means it does! That seems to be the common meaning for it.

His Valentine conjuncts my Moon but so did another guy's Valentine, who is born a week after him. We've got DW South Node conj Valentine in our Venus Returns, too. In the composite we have Valentine conjunct Pluto, Juno and Lilith in Scorpio 12th, so to me that totally matches my view of it representing transforming love.

My negative experience was the direct Karma-Valentine conjunction I had with a karmic tie recently . He just wanted me for sex! His North Node conjunct my Eros but my Saturn conjunct his Eros

Adding on to my association between Valentine and karma, I have Valentine conjunct Saturn (the planet of karma) natally. So it fits that I share with my false twin flame, the man that I loved the most and who I believed was the first to love me unconditionally, the exact conjunction of Saturn-Valentine in the composite. And come to think of it, I did make a deep, deep sacrifice for him . It took a while for me to recall this as I think I've blocked it out as I have finally healed and moved on.

So my conclusion is that Valentine is unconditional, yes, but also fated and karmic. I cannot label it as a "true love" asteroid for myself because my two strongest connections with it have not been true love. When found in a soulmate connection, though, it definitely adds value.

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posted May 31, 2017 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beautiful_Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:

Composite:

Valentine in Libra @23d15
Amor in Aquarius @22d35
Agapenor in Sagittarius @23d40
Neptune in Sagittarius @23d57

Agapenor conjunct Neptune is at the apex of a tsquare with Venus opposite Moon:

Agapenor in Sagittarius @23d40
Neptune in Sagittarius @23d57
Venus in Virgo @22d46
Moon in Pisces @18d13


I like that composite Neptune conjunct Agapenor and it's fitting because Neptune is the higher octave of Venus and is the planet of unconditional love (I have Neptune and North Node parallel that guy's Venus) ♡.

Sounds like you really experienced unconditional love with him. May I ask why it didn't work out?

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posted May 31, 2017 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I like that composite Neptune conjunct Agapenor and it's fitting because Neptune is the higher octave of Venus and is the planet of unconditional love (I have Neptune and North Node parallel that guy's Venus) ♡.

Sounds like you really experienced unconditional love with him. May I ask why it didn't work out?


I think we met so I could experience what is like to feel unconditional love and to experience heart break and deep loss, to experience what is like to feel your world shattered, lose what you value the most and still go on and for that love to survive all that.

For some reason he is the human being I have connected with the most spiritually, like I feel he is a part of me but I don't feel we were meant to be together for a lifetime. We were meant to experience unconditional love and then lose each other. Our moons conjunct and parallel and transit Pluto and transit Saturn were both squaring our moons when we broke up forming a tsquare with our moons at the apex.

We were young (I was 19), I was immature and I think he was too, we did not deal with our insecurities the right way and just ended up hurting each other a lot. He also let pride get in the way since he is a scorpio and I broke up twice with him in a week but he was acting different which made me paranoid (scorpio riser) and after I broke up with him the first time he shut down which killed me so I broke up with him again a week later. I think that transit brought the worse in us and since we were so young did not deal with it well. I moved away shortly to another country after the second time I broke up with him, it all happened really fast. I didn't want to be in the same city as him, he probably felt abandoned but I felt abandoned and betrayed by him.

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posted May 31, 2017 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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My negative experience was the direct Karma-Valentine conjunction I had with a karmic tie recently . He just wanted me for sex! His North Node conjunct my Eros but my Saturn conjunct his Eros

Adding on to my association between Valentine and karma, I have Valentine conjunct Saturn (the planet of karma) natally. So it fits that I share with my false twin flame, the man that I loved the most and who I believed was the first to love me unconditionally, the exact conjunction of Saturn-Valentine in the composite. And come to think of it, I did make a deep, deep sacrifice for him . It took a while for me to recall this as I think I've blocked it out as I have finally healed and moved on.

So my conclusion is that Valentine is unconditional, yes, but also fated and karmic. I cannot label it as a "true love" asteroid for myself because my two strongest connections with it have not been true love. When found in a soulmate connection, though, it definitely adds value.


Well yes, in that case you have Saturn conjunct eros which is a classic karmic soulmate marker and karma conjunct valentine which would also hint to a karmic soulmate. I feel this has more to do with saturn and Karma aspecting a love asteroid than it does with Valentine.

Oh my there you go! you have saturn conjunct valentine so that would also flavor valentine for you and make it feel very karmic...It makes sense.

I have saturn conjunct valentine by 1d3 in composite with my husband and in synastry we have his eros conjunct my saturn and I have always felt we are karmic soulmates. Actually my Valentine conjuncts his Northnode and TR SATURN was conjuncting my valentine and his northnode when we met!

So we met during a saturn transit to my valentine and his norhtnode and we have saturn conjunct valentine in our composite plus eros conjunct saturn.

I would agree that yes valentine in aspect to karma and specially to saturn is a karmic soulmate marker but not valentine in aspect to agapenor conjunct neptune and amor.

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posted May 31, 2017 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Wow that's awesome, I didn't know that BML could be a gateway for healing as well! That makes sense because we do have loads of Chiron as well: his Juno conjunct my Chiron in Draco (which is a Magi long-term linkage) and my Mercury sextile his Chiron on my MC (healing through my words. My Mercury also conjuncts his IC so apparently I am able to speak to his soul!). His D9 MC is on my natal Chiron so that's a DW! Also in Draco, his Moon/Vertex conjuncts my MC and apparently this is a healing aspect as well...and what do you know...Agapenor is conjunct our composite MC and Moon!

Chiron will be transiting my DC over the next while and he's got Chiron conj Alma on his natal Ceres in his next Venus Return and Solar Return.


I have tropic chiron in gemini 2d50 conjunct his draco juno in gemini 2d40 exact with my ex.

In my case is tropic to draco though which I am not sure how to interpret, we did talk about marriage and he was going to propose at some point, he had ordered the ring I believe even...

Interesting sidenote, after I moved back to Miami I fought for him like crazy for a few years. I tried to get back with him but he was in a relationship by then. I told him a number of times that I knew we were meant to be together, that it feels like we have been down this road before and that if he didn't get back with me he was going to regret it and it would be too late bc I would be marry to someone else by then who is not the one but that would make me happy enough. Like somehow I knew years ahead what would happen. He contacted me a few months bf I got married and expressed he regretted not marrying me.

When I started dating my husband transit Northnode and transit karma were conjuncting my exe's moon. Further my husband's Sun conjuncts the asteroid Karma in the composite chart of my ex and I under 1d, so exact.

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posted May 31, 2017 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beautiful_Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well yes, in that case you have Saturn conjunct eros which is a classic karmic soulmate marker and karma conjunct valentine which would also hint to a karmic soulmate. I feel this has more to do with saturn and Karma aspecting a love asteroid than it does with Valentine.

Oh my there you go! you have saturn conjunct valentine so that would also flavor valentine for you and make it feel very karmic...It makes sense.

I have saturn conjunct valentine by 1d3 in composite with my husband and in synastry we have his eros conjunct my saturn and I have always felt we are karmic soulmates. Actually my Valentine conjuncts his Northnode and TR SATURN was conjuncting my valentine and his northnode when we met!

So we met during a saturn transit to my valentine and his norhtnode and we have saturn conjunct valentine in our composite plus eros conjunct saturn.

I would agree that yes valentine in aspect to karma and specially to saturn is a karmic soulmate marker but not valentine in aspect to agapenor conjunct neptune and amor.


Thank you for sharing your story. I do feel that certain connections come into our life to teach us unconditional love and to grow us, not that we are necessarily supposed to be with them forever

Sorry, those are actually 2 different guys. The Karma-Valentine guy and then the false twin flame (who I have Sun conj South Node and Vesta in the composite with).

Following my ordeal with Mr. Karma, I looked up the Saturn-Eros aspect and found it can mean a restriction to sex. Which was true because once I found out his intentions, I was completely turned off. That in contrast to his North Node on my Eros (he felt extremely pulled to me sexually). I also recall you saying somewhere that your relationship with your husband is not very sexual? Wow you have both Saturn-Eros in synastry and Saturn-Valentine in composite, the two exact aspects I mentioned I had with my guys!! I never got close to marrying either of them, though.

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posted May 31, 2017 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beautiful_Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I would agree that yes valentine in aspect to karma and specially to saturn is a karmic soulmate marker but not valentine in aspect to agapenor conjunct neptune and amor.


It depends how you want to view your connection with that ex. For me, anything that ends in separation is "karmic". I myself didn't really like that term when I was still in love with him because in my mind we were still going to be together and he was the one. Only in hindsight do I realize now that the psychic was right and he was indeed just a karmic connection (with unconditional love. These categories have such blurry lines!). Karma doesn't always have to include abuse or feel negative. But it can feel heartbreaking because you love them so much.

Nice to see the Valentine connections you have with your husband, though! If you see your husband as karmic, I'm confused...why do you see Valentine as unconditional/true love? Because of your ex?

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posted May 31, 2017 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beautiful_Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have tropic chiron in gemini 2d50 conjunct his draco juno in gemini 2d40 exact with my ex.

In my case is tropic to draco though which I am not sure how to interpret, we did talk about marriage and he was going to propose at some point, he had ordered the ring I believe even...

Interesting sidenote, after I moved back to Miami I fought for him like crazy for a few years. I tried to get back with him but he was in a relationship by then. I told him a number of times that I knew we were meant to be together, that it feels like we have been down this road before and that if he didn't get back with me he was going to regret it and it would be too late bc I would be marry to someone else by then who is not the one but that would make me happy enough. Like somehow I knew years ahead what would happen. He contacted me a few months bf I got married and expressed he regretted not marrying me.

When I started dating my husband transit Northnode and transit karma were conjuncting my exe's moon. Further my husband's Sun conjuncts the asteroid Karma in the composite chart of my ex and I under 1d, so exact.


Wow...that is so so crazy, the links between the 3 of you! Do you have any kind of connection to your ex's wife?

Sometimes I wonder if I was supposed to marry this man whom I have a Draco Star of David with. He is in a very karmic marriage and I know his wife does not love him. I can literally see her draining the energy off of him. The 3 of us had telepathy going on. I realized how fake she was being and that she doesn't want to/we can't be friends anymore because of this. I finally unfriended her from social media yesterday and all I can do is send him my sympathies. We have an exact Venus-Chiron conjunction in synastry (again another Magi linkage that is supposed to show true love or something).

Tropic to Draco aspects are definitely legit. But I guess nothing is guaranteed. The stars can only show us the "potential" for a relationship, nothing more.

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posted June 01, 2017 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It depends how you want to view your connection with that ex. For me, anything that ends in separation is "karmic". I myself didn't really like that term when I was still in love with him because in my mind we were still going to be together and he was the one. Only in hindsight do I realize now that the psychic was right and he was indeed just a karmic connection (with unconditional love. These categories have such blurry lines!). Karma doesn't always have to include abuse or feel negative. But it can feel heartbreaking because you love them so much.

Nice to see the Valentine connections you have with your husband, though! If you see your husband as karmic, I'm confused...why do you see Valentine as unconditional/true love? Because of your ex?


I see valentine in aspect to SATURN! as karmic, not valentine is aspect to other things specially to agapenor or amor. I see valentine as sacrificial love bc a lot of astrologers see it as that and my experience matches those observations. I have sacrificed a lot for my husband actually, a lot! I do feel valentine expresses unconditional love, always willing to forgive and to sacrifice for the other, I have forgiven my husband many times and sacrificed a lot for him but my love for my ex feels different, I guess is that neptune conjunct agapenor exact forming a tsquare with moon opposite venus in addition to valentine trine amor both forming a sextile with neptune conjunct agape. You can understand that everything I just said kicks the a*s of saturn conjunct valentine in composite. That beautiful pattern I have with him makes you feel love at another level indeed, as you said neptune is the higher octove of love but saturn rules KARMA hence why valetine in aspect to saturn feels karmic to me but not valetine in aspect to other things. I will add that Valentine is right on star SPICA in our composite in libra and transit AMOR was on our valentine the day we met and star SPICA. Unlike my husband when transit saturn ruler of karma was on my valentine and his northnode. Very different but yes I love them both!!!!!

Yeah I do think my ex could be a karmic soulmate too but then again I think all soulmates are karmic most likely but the reason why I think my ex might be a karmic soulmate has nothing to do with valentine, it would be bc we have Saturn right on our AC.

However if twin flames do exist I dont think its impossible for twin flames to meet but then separate bc the mission they have is not suppose to be delivered together or bc they have other karma to work through with other people, if twin flames exist I think every twinflame has a different story and journey.

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posted June 01, 2017 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Wow...that is so so crazy, the links between the 3 of you! Do you have any kind of connection to your ex's wife?

Sometimes I wonder if I was supposed to marry this man whom I have a Draco Star of David with. He is in a very karmic marriage and I know his wife does not love him. I can literally see her draining the energy off of him. The 3 of us had telepathy going on. I realized how fake she was being and that she doesn't want to/we can't be friends anymore because of this. I finally unfriended her from social media yesterday and all I can do is send him my sympathies. We have an exact Venus-Chiron conjunction in synastry (again another Magi linkage that is supposed to show true love or something).

Tropic to Draco aspects are definitely legit. But I guess nothing is guaranteed. The stars can only show us the "potential" for a relationship, nothing more.


Yeah the girl he got involved with after me was a "cheap copy of me" according to a stranger who was apparently psychic told me out of the blue. She was guetto and super manipulative, would make up she had stomach pain to keep him close and worse things, she made him pity her and he has moon in pisces like me but her needing him made him feel secure which he values a lot...She did not truly love him and he wasted several years with her instead of getting back with me. I always knew in my gut they would end, that she didn't truly love him and she was just manipulating him.

What is the the Draco star of david? What do you mean you have a draco star of david with him?

Sorry to hear he is with her..I do have crazy telepathy with my ex too....

I dont know if he is married, we have lost contact for now....My gut tells me he is and that is why we lost contact, I did tell him to get married and have a child.

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posted June 01, 2017 12:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Thank you for sharing your story. I do feel that certain connections come into our life to teach us unconditional love and to grow us, not that we are necessarily supposed to be with them forever

Sorry, those are actually 2 different guys. The Karma-Valentine guy and then the false twin flame (who I have Sun conj South Node and Vesta in the composite with).

Following my ordeal with Mr. Karma, I looked up the Saturn-Eros aspect and found it can mean a restriction to sex. Which was true because once I found out his intentions, I was completely turned off. That in contrast to his North Node on my Eros (he felt extremely pulled to me sexually). I also recall you saying somewhere that your relationship with your husband is not very sexual? Wow you have both Saturn-Eros in synastry and Saturn-Valentine in composite, the two exact aspects I mentioned I had with my guys!! I never got close to marrying either of them, though.


Well valentine conjunct saturn can also mean a deep commitment for one another, yes our relationship is not very sexual, I don't feel sexually attracted him very strongly but when we have sex I enjoy it but not in a spiritual way though which is so important to me.

His juno and jupiter both conjunct my Sun. My Psyche and AC both conjunct his Mars-Uranus-DC stellium and all that squares our venus conjunct venus (tight venus mars double whammy). My valentine is in his northnode, his psyche is in my northnode. His Moon forms a grand trine with his agapenor and my amor! Our composite venus is in our 7H and conjuncts our DC forming a T-square with our Uranus opposite Chiron with Venus conjunct DC at the apex activating our IC and MC...

So we do have just enough nice stuff going on for us to feel connected and enjoy eachother's company. I do like a lot of things about him and he has expanded my world a lot and makes me laugh, I loooove hugging him. We are very affectionate verbally and physically to each other, there are good things and I feel secure with him.

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posted June 01, 2017 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe you see Valentine as Karmic bc it involves a sacrifice! and when it aspects Saturn is like the sacrifice is meant to eliminate karma between the two of you and just feels heavy. Like not a sacrifice that you give freely that truly comes from the heart but a sacrifice that feels heavy and karmic that makes you feel restricted.

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posted June 01, 2017 01:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beautiful_Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I see valentine in aspect to SATURN! as karmic, not valentine is aspect to other things specially to agapenor or amor. I see valentine as sacrificial love bc a lot of astrologers see it as that and my experience matches those observations. I have sacrificed a lot for my husband actually, a lot! I do feel valentine expresses unconditional love, always willing to forgive and to sacrifice for the other, I have forgiven my husband many times and sacrificed a lot for him but my love for my ex feels different, I guess is that neptune conjunct agapenor exact forming a tsquare with moon opposite venus in addition to valentine trine amor both forming a sextile with neptune conjunct agape. You can understand that everything I just said kicks the a*s of saturn conjunct valentine in composite. That beautiful pattern I have with him makes you feel love at another level indeed, as you said neptune is the higher octove of love but saturn rules KARMA hence why valetine in aspect to saturn feels karmic to me but not valetine in aspect to other things. I will add that Valentine is right on star SPICA in our composite in libra and transit AMOR was on our valentine the day we met and star SPICA. Unlike my husband when transit saturn ruler of karma was on my valentine and his northnode. Very different but yes I love them both!!!!!

Yeah I do think my ex could be a karmic soulmate too but then again I think all soulmates are karmic most likely but the reason why I think my ex might be a karmic soulmate has nothing to do with valentine, it would be bc we have Saturn right on our AC.


You're right: it must be the Valentine in aspect to Saturn. It looks like whatever Valentine is linked to makes all the difference! Like if it's linked to karmic things like Saturn or Karma, the relationship is super karmic, but if it's with Agapenor/Amor/Venus/Neptune/Moon it's more like love, plain and simple. Makes sense!

"You can understand that everything I just said kicks the a*s of saturn conjunct valentine in composite."

I bet! Cool transits with your ex and your husband. Really shows the difference!

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Maybe you see Valentine as Karmic bc it involves a sacrifice! and when it aspects Saturn is like the sacrifice is meant to eliminate karma between the two of you and just feels heavy. Like not a sacrifice that you give freely that truly comes from the heart but a sacrifice that feels heavy and karmic that makes you feel restricted.

Absolutely: you've got it right! 👏👏👏 That makes so much sense now

Curiously, the last thing he said to me was "see you." No, I sincerely hope I will not see you again!!!!

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posted June 01, 2017 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beautiful_Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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His juno and jupiter both conjunct my Sun. My Psyche and AC both conjunct his Mars-Uranus-DC stellium and all that squares our venus conjunct venus (tight venus mars double whammy). My valentine is in his northnode, his psyche is in my northnode. His Moon forms a grand trine with his agapenor and my amor! Our composite venus is in our 7H and conjuncts our DC forming a T-square with our Uranus opposite Chiron with Venus conjunct DC at the apex activating our IC and MC...

So we do have just enough nice stuff going on for us to feel connected and enjoy eachother's company. I do like a lot of things about him and he has expanded my world a lot and makes me laugh, I loooove hugging him. We are very affectionate verbally and physically to each other, there are good things and I feel secure with him.


This guy has his Jupiter on my Sun as well! . I love this aspect and it is one of my favorites. No wonder you feel he has expanded your world, makes you laugh, makes you feel secure and you seem like great friends! I think that's important for a long-term commitment. He seems kinda like a soulmate/karmic mate mix to me (and yes I kind of differentiate those two).

Good job on making the composite Venus sq Uranus work. How long have you been married?

You have flipped AC-DC and DW Mars-Venus?? I'm surprised you don't have insane sexual chemistry! I heard DW Mars-Venus is like the Holy Grail of sexual connections lol ...Or do you just mean that he has his Venus on your Venus-Mars conjunction? What kind of Sun-Moon contacts do you two have?

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posted June 01, 2017 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Absolutely: you've got it right! 👏👏👏 That makes so much sense now

Curiously, the last thing he said to me was "see you." No, I sincerely hope I will not see you again!!!!


I feel you! I have enjoyed talking with you so much, like it really helps me think and gets my brain going and I love your input as well and your observations..Two people thinking together is better than one

I really need to post the valentine discovery chart soon ! I will but I am suppose to be going to bed soon..but I want to post bc I want to include some asteroids. I remember atropos was somewhere important in the valentine discovery chart.........

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posted June 01, 2017 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beautiful_Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yeah the girl he got involved with after me was a "cheap copy of me" according to a stranger who was apparently psychic told me out of the blue. She was guetto and super manipulative, would make up she had stomach pain to keep him close and worse things, she made him pity her and he has moon in pisces like me but her needing him made him feel secure which he values a lot...She did not truly love him and he wasted several years with her instead of getting back with me. I always knew in my gut they would end, that she didn't truly love him and she was just manipulating him.

What is the the Draco star of david? What do you mean you have a draco star of david with him?

Sorry to hear he is with her..I do have crazy telepathy with my ex too....

I dont know if he is married, we have lost contact for now....My gut tells me he is and that is why we lost contact, I did tell him to get married and have a child.


Ouch. What a karmic connection.....funny how we have gut instincts about our soulmates/karmic connections. The first time circumstances intervened to try to prevent my false twin and I from meeting again, I instantly knew we would not be together and he would be with someone else. My heart was broken from that moment on. I just knew it but I continued to hold on to some fragment of hope because he made an effort to keep our connection too.

The wife I mentioned is super religious and has made these statements like they're not going to have kids or that she will die for her religion/beliefs in another country. I have a gut feeling this will come true and their marriage will not be a long one. She told me herself they can't make it a day without fighting and back then they had only been married for 4 months, and travelling separately for most of that time! Either that or I hope he leaves the toxic connection and the religious fanaticism before his condition gets worse and worse :|. He has so much energy and beauty within him when he's not with her. Sadly, I will never be with him because I was told I would marry someone who has never been married before, and that resonates with me. He also has Sun in my 8th house and that has never worked out for me 😛

A Star of David is also known as a Grand Sextile. Like 2 Grand Trines opposite to each other, creating sextiles around them, depending on the perfection of the placements. It's rare and supposedly helps the couple to overcome any difficulties or obstacles that may be in the charts. It was brief, but it did feel like true love with him . I had a Star of David in synastry with another soulmate who gave me sooo much peace (it felt like true love with him too and I was getting soo many ridiculous synchronicities around that time, just like I did with my false twin), but in the end, despite him being much older than I, he was still too immature and rejected our soulmate connection to be with someone else for her looks/body. I have a near Star of David (5 trine sides instead of 6) with the Agapenor-Lilith guy

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posted June 01, 2017 02:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beautiful_Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I feel you! I have enjoyed talking with you so much, like it really helps me think and gets my brain going and I love your input as well and your observations..Two people thinking together is better than one

I really need to post the valentine discovery chart soon ! I will but I am suppose to be going to bed soon..but I want to post bc I want to include some asteroids. I remember atropos was somewhere important in the valentine discovery chart.........


No worries and I love talking with you too . Yes, it really helps to have an outsider's perspective! And people who have had similar yet different experiences in order to compare and contrast.

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This guy has his Jupiter on my Sun as well! . I love this aspect and it is one of my favorites. No wonder you feel he has expanded your world, makes you laugh, makes you feel secure and you seem like great friends! I think that's important for a long-term commitment. He seems kinda like a soulmate/karmic mate mix to me (and yes I kind of differentiate those two).

Good job on making the composite Venus sq Uranus work. How long have you been married?

You have flipped AC-DC and DW Mars-Venus?? I'm surprised you don't have insane sexual chemistry! I heard DW Mars-Venus is like the Holy Grail of sexual connections lol . But that makes sense if you are looking for a spiritual connection. What kind of Sun-Moon contacts do you two have?


Yes soulmate/karmic mate mix fits. Yes thank god for that jupiter conjuncting my sun

I have been with him for 10 years but married for 6 years in July.

I think that valentine cojunct saturn in composite with Venus conjunct DC and his Juno and Jupiter on my Sun is why the venus square uranus in synastry and composite has worked. Also he is a libra, with moon in cancer, venus in Leo and Mars in scorpio on the DC so he is in my opinion a relationship guy. Further his Mars conjunct Uranus on his DC with my jupiter conjunct uranus on the 1H hints that we can handle uranus in a relationship, we actually have uranus in scorpio at 29d in our composite square Venus on the DC forming tsquare with chiron on the IC, yes we have AC and DC flipped. I think that tsquare with Venus on the DC square Uranus and Chiron shows how our relationship has been a vehicle for healing for both of us, for heaiing past wounds (chiron on the IC). I think Uranus just keeps things interesting for us..we welcome change together, we like change...we handle crisis well together too so that is how Uranus manifests for us. We were involved in activism for a while there...

Yea his Venus conjuncts my mars and my venus. Also my venus squares his Mars-uranus-dc stellium. The sex is good but is just sex and that is not what I want, Its hard to explain, there is a dimension missing; must be my saturn conjunct his eros or is him, he doesn't approach sex like I do which could be explained by my venus squaring his mars. We have water moons but they don't trine, he has moon in cancer and I have moon in pisces in the 4H. His sun conjuncts my sun out of sign but we dont have sun to moon aspects which sucks but I guess the mars venus DW helps.

I did have venus mars double whammy with my ex but they were soft aspects (trines and sextiles, I enjoyed that a lot!!!!!!! that sex was amazing but our composite also hints to amazing sex valentine conjunct mars, magion, pluto and sun. We do have some nice sun to moon aspects and moon to moon. Sun sextile Sun, Sun trine Moon, Moon conjunct and parallel moon. His Jupiter conjunct my sun too.

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Yea his Venus conjuncts my mars and my venus. Also my venus squares his Mars-uranus-dc stellium. The sex is good but is just sex and that is not what I want, Its hard to explain, there is a dimension missing; must be my saturn conjunct his eros or is him, he doesn't approach sex like I do which could be explained by my venus squaring his mars. We have water moons but they don't trine, he has moon in cancer and I have moon in pisces in the 4H. His sun conjuncts my sun out of sign but we dont have sun to moon aspects which sucks but I guess the mars venus DW helps.

I did have venus mars double whammy with my ex but they were soft aspects (trines and sextiles, I enjoyed that a lot!!!!!!! that sex was amazing but our composite also hints to amazing sex valentine conjunct mars, magion, pluto and sun. We do have some nice sun to moon aspects and moon to moon. Sun sextile Sun, Sun trine Moon, Moon conjunct and parallel moon. His Jupiter conjunct my sun too.


Venus and Chiron connecting is very good for a relationship. Composite Chiron with Lilith guy is conjunct my natal Venus and his D9 Venus. I'm not in a relationship with him yet but I hope this means it will feel like the true love I felt with Star of David guy.

I also like Uranus in relationships . My natal Venus is exactly opposite my natal Uranus.

Oh ok, thanks for clarifying that. I thought you meant DW as in you both had Venus conjunct Mars natally and they were conjunct each other in synastry (taking DW as one aspect that goes both ways). That would be HOT! Lol. A well-known couple I know (authors) share your aspect but the wife's Venus conjuncts the husband's Venus-Mars conjunction.

Hmmm, I didn't know that about Venus sq Mars. Does he have Venus in Cancer or Capricorn? Do they make any aspect in your Composite or Davison?

The missing Sun-Moon connection might explain the missing dimension feeling

I triple love Venus trine Mars . Valentine conj Pluto in composite thanks, I have something to look fwd to with Lilith guy if it ever gets that far

Your Sun/Moon/Jupiter connections sound wonderful. Was it his Sun trine your Moon?

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Venus and Chiron connecting is very good for a relationship. Composite Chiron with Lilith guy is conjunct my natal Venus and his D9 Venus. I'm not in a relationship with him yet but I hope this means it will feel like the true love I felt with Star of David guy.

I also like Uranus in relationships . My natal Venus is exactly opposite my natal Uranus.

Oh ok, thanks for clarifying that. I thought you meant DW as in you both had Venus conjunct Mars natally and they were conjunct each other in synastry (taking DW as one aspect that goes both ways). That would be HOT! Lol. A well-known couple I know (authors) share your aspect but the wife's Venus conjuncts the husband's Venus-Mars conjunction.

Hmmm, I didn't know that about Venus sq Mars. Does he have Venus in Cancer or Capricorn? Do they make any aspect in your Composite or Davison?

The missing Sun-Moon connection might explain the missing dimension feeling

I triple love Venus trine Mars . Valentine conj Pluto in composite thanks, I have something to look fwd to with Lilith guy if it ever gets that far

Your Sun/Moon/Jupiter connections sound wonderful. Was it his Sun trine your Moon?



Hmmm, I didn't know that about Venus sq Mars. Does he have Venus in Cancer or Capricorn? Do they make any aspect in your Composite or Davison?

Yes his venus is in LEO conjunct my Venus in LEO which conjuncts our Venus in Leo in composite on the DC. Yes the missing sun-moon connection may explain it but I dont think is that, I have had great sex with an aquarius sun with moon in aries which does not aspect my moon or sun and I did feel with him the sex was very meaningful, he got me! Now his Venus conjuncts my 5H ruler and trines my venus and mars and his Mars trines my venus and mars so we had a venus mars DW with trines, his venus sextile exact my pluto too...I think I just don't like hard aspects between venus and mars specially the square...My exe's mars and valentine conjunct my 5H ruler and the sex was great too...My 5H ruler is neptune at the galactic center and it squares my luminaries.

Your Sun/Moon/Jupiter connections sound wonderful. Was it his Sun trine your Moon? Yes his Sun trines my MOON and conjuncts my AC!

Truly love what you two have going, I hope you come together!

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