posted May 26, 2017 02:26 PM            

People with this asteroid on the ascendant or mid heaven are known for their kindness and loving acceptance. In connection with the fourth house cusp, it imparts a sensitivity that is broad, humanitarian and largely private and unspoken.

This asteroid is key in synastry when looking for devotional connections. Agapenor shows where our greatest love lies and how we genuinely express it without selfishness or control. Look to this asteroid in addition to Valentine, Amour, Venus, Pluto and the descendant to show key connections that signify true love.

What is this asteroid doing in your chart? How does it play out for you in synastry?

posted May 26, 2017 03:30 PM            

With my husband it doesn't activate. My latest 2 sons, their Agapenor touches with my AC and my Agapenor touches with their Delphi. (Psychic connector I suppose).

My late uncle andI wrre extremely attached to each other. His sun is (2) to it in my chart. H1. Unconditional def between us.

posted May 26, 2017 04:03 PM            

With my dad I always felt unconditionally loved by him, he gets it, with my mother there was definitely a learning curve there for a while.

Correction: Let me look at my dad's chart. Well he has a grand trine between agape, pluto and chiron and agape quintile mercury but he does have some hard aspects to his sun and neptune. His agape conjuncts my bless, serendip and pholus stellium.

posted May 26, 2017 04:35 PM            

In synastry it shows people that you love unconditionally. Like my partner whom I have been with for 10 years.

He has AGAPE trine his MOON which forms a grand trine with my AMOR, his agape and my amor trine exact. In composite we have Saturn conjunct VALENTINE.

posted May 26, 2017 04:51 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
Hypatia, do you think your mother learned it based on this aspect or could it be you were a wonderful daughter for her.

With my husband it doesn't activate. My latest 2 sons, their Agapenor touches with my AC and my Agapenor touches with their Delphi. (Psychic connector I suppose).

My late uncle andI wrre extremely attached to each other. His sun is (2) to it in my chart. H1. Unconditional def between us.

Personally
it plays out in an Earth trine
in my natal. Saturn/Agapenor/RobinHood
-Houses 1, 4 and 9. Although I'm nowhere near well off, I have been known to give donations and spare change. Were I rich, so many would not be in need.

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posted May 26, 2017 05:49 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
His sun conjuncts your AC???

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posted May 26, 2017 05:52 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:

His sun is conj to my Agapenor.

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Wow

posted May 26, 2017 07:42 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Natally, it is conjunct my moon exact. I'm very good at unconditional love. Almost to my detriment.
In synastry, it conjuncts his valentine.

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Awwwwwwwwwwwww, I am very good at it too between Amor quintile Neptune and Sun trine Agape exact I think that is a big reason why I am here.

Sun in Virgo rules my 10H and I have it trine Agape in Capricorn forming a grand trine with Alma in Taurus all exact, you can say its what I do for a living, serve others by loving them unconditionally (counselor).

posted May 27, 2017 08:51 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Awwwwwwwwwwwww, I am very good at it too between Amor quintile Neptune and Sun trine Agape exact I think that is a big reason why I am here.

Sun in Virgo rules my 10H and I have it trine Agape in Capricorn forming a grand trine with Alma in Taurus all exact, you can say its what I do for a living, serve others by loving them unconditionally (counselor).

But wow conjunct your moon!! What does your moon rule?!

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posted May 27, 2017 04:30 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:

My moon is 11th Virgo ruled by mercury in my 8th.

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Me too!!!

posted May 27, 2017 05:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Beautiful_Light:
Me too!!!

I have Agapenor close to my Ascendant

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posted May 29, 2017 06:18 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I can sense that about you. It fits.

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Thanks, you too!

posted May 29, 2017 09:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Beautiful_Light:
Thanks, you too!

I had been wondering if there was an asteroid for Agape love, since we have Eros, Valentine, Cupido, Lust and almost everything else

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I feel asteroid Valentine, Agapenor and Amor are all true love asteroids. Valentine is a very sacrificial kind of love, like "I would do anything for you."

posted May 30, 2017 06:04 PM            

This is fascinating for me - my mum, like yours, always said that she learned unconditional love from us. I'm the oldest, and my agapenor is on her descendant. Her agapenor is closely conjunct her vesta, and closely conjunct my h40 Cupido (bigger love).

My middle sister also has her h40 cupido conjunct mum's agapenor, but my youngest sister doesn't have any obvious activations.

My son's agapenor is on my descendant - (and his juno is on my ascendant, my identity literally changed to a mother when he was born).

My dad's agapenor is tightly conjunct my vertex, and conjunct one sister's MC. Again the third sister doesn't have any obvious activations.

What I'm seeing here is, is it that the person with the Agapenor is bringing the lesson of unconditional love to the other, particularly in the case of the descendant?

With that in mind, let's talk Agapenor conjunct pluto. Unconditional love that is transformative?

Natally, my Agapenor is opposite my sun and square my moon, and conjunct my Union. Perhaps finding a true sense of unconditional love alleviates the sun-moon square tension?

My Agapenor conjunct union is conjunct someone's pluto (2deg, out of sign, with union in between). With this same person, we have a valentine-jupiter conjunction DW, and in draconic, my agapenor-union is exactly conjunct his d. moon. We have a close and deep friendship, with a deep level of acceptance - for me this is revolutionary as I am truly myself with this person for the first time in my life.

One thing I'd say here is that even though this is a positive asteroid on the face of it, I'm going to throw in there that actually unconditional love only really comes through challenge. It's easy to love someone who's easy, but to experience unconditional love you need to have that experience of getting nothing back.

Like with a baby who's 100% reliant on you, it is only by sheer force of unconditional unrewarded love that you keep going and keep caring. And they may never realise the depth of this sacrifice until the tables are turned.

posted May 30, 2017 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I feel asteroid Valentine, Agapenor and Amor are all true love asteroids. Valentine is a very sacrificial kind of love, like "I would do anything for you."

Check out this video on Valentine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpOgkjJJUiM

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Love Jewel, but I'm still kind of divided on Valentine because I have seen it in selfish karmic connections but it doesn't feature as strongly in my soulmate ones. For me it is more sexual/transformative (goes with Juno, Pluto, Lilith and Karma).

I have had Valentine/Cupido-Moon connections, so in a way those two asteroids are similar for me. It's something that you would want, but it's not the thing that points to unconditional love.

posted May 30, 2017 06:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Beautiful_Light:
Love Jewel, but I'm still kind of divided on Valentine because I have seen it in selfish karmic connections but it doesn't feature as strongly in my soulmate ones. For me it is more sexual/transformative (goes with Juno, Pluto, Lilith and Karma).

I have had Valentine/Cupido-Moon connections, so in a way those two asteroids are similar for me. It's something that you would want, but it's not the thing that points to unconditional love.

Amor and Agapenor definitely show a transcendant, unconditional love, though. The kind of love that says "even though I can't be with you, I will always respect and admire you."

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Well there you go, the Valentine connection you experienced was coupled with CUPIDO which is definitely a selfish kind of love; cupido is ego based.

I will consider your observations moving forward but my experience with Valentine matches her video and take on it. Now asteroid Cupido is definitely Ego-Based and about what you want yes!

For me unconditional love is more like "even though I cannot be with you, I will always love you bc I did before I met you already, my love for you is there and cannot be erased or destroyed even if I wanted to bc you are a part of me no matter were I go or how far I am bc over 10 years have passed and I still love you against all odds or reason."

"Admire and respect you" I don't think that has do with love necessarily. I can admire and respect someone and not love them.

posted May 30, 2017 06:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Stellia:

One thing I'd say here is that even though this is a positive asteroid on the face of it, I'm going to throw in there that actually unconditional love only really comes through challenge. It's easy to love someone who's easy, but to experience unconditional love you need to have that experience of getting nothing back.

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100% you are right! That is the real challenge right there!

posted May 30, 2017 06:49 PM            

I know the story of St. Valentine is one of sacrifice and love but for me that kind of fated love thing shows up more as the South Node.

posted May 30, 2017 07:40 PM            

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These are separate connections/aspects as in Valentine-Moon and Cupido-Moon. I agree that Cupido is superficial, but wouldn't say it is based off the ego, as the admiration is for the other person.

I know the story of St. Valentine is one of sacrifice and love but for me that kind of fated love thing shows up more as the South Node.

For me, Amor/Agapenor is more detached and less emotional. Because love isn't all about the emotions. Hence admiration and respect. Interestingly, respect tends to be what men need most in a relationship, whereas women need "love".

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I didnt say that Valentine is about fate but is definitely about sacrificial love which is an expression of unconditional love imo. Interestingly I happen to have Southnode trine Valentine forming a grand trine with Pholus. My ex IC and Vertex conjunct my Southnode and activate that Grand Trine.

I was just describing what unconditional love feels like to me and what I described involves a lot of aspects...

I do find that observation interesting that agape and amor feel more detached to you while Valentine feels more intense. I feel you have to feel intensely about someone to sacrifice yourself for them, to go to that place were you are willing to make sacrifices.

Yes love is not all about the emotions but it definitely plays a big role. Like I said I admire and respect a lot of people that I dont love or even care for. For me they are different things.

I feel both genders need both love and respect. Respect is a way you show love but you can give respect without loving someone and you can be in a bad mood and disrespect someone you loove deeply bc you felt provoked by them or not secure in the relationship and it took you to that immature place. Not everyone is good at self regulating their emotions and when angry we can be disrespectful. However in a relationship you want to feel respected, it hurts when you don't feel that respect period.

posted May 30, 2017 07:53 PM            

Your description of loving someone before you've met them and forever loving them after just falls under the umbrella term "fated", for me.

posted May 31, 2017 12:04 AM            

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I wonder how Amor and Agapenor could relate to BML. My Desc and Amor are parallel a guy's Lilith and my Agapenor is conjunct his Lilith in synastry and parallel his North Node. He has DC parallel Agapenor.

Lilith seems hardly related to unconditional love so this seems odd!

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That is a fascinating question indeed and I like what is going bt you two synastry wise, sexy...

I think that means that you see him as wild and free, eccentric too perhaps and you love that about him unconditionally, you want him to be wild and don't want to tame him. In turn your love for him moves him, he has never felt more loved till now bc he feels you truly see him and accept him just as he is since the lilith side of us is typically the side that society rejects, fears and doesn't understand.

I have AC in scorpio square lilith and my exe's agapenor conjuncts my AC. I truly felt he saw through me, all of me and accepted me as I was. I felt he understood my essence instead of fearing it and walking away, he embraced it instead, understood it and respected it.

Agapenor conjunct lilith sounds awesome, like unconditional love truly.