posted July 07, 2017 10:47 PM            

Desire becomes surrender. Surrender becomes power.

posted July 08, 2017 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I swear I love pluto but there is a part of me that wants to blow it up lol. Its ecstasy or pain, heaven or hell, nothing in between.

But then it is so fitting since it rules hell! What is more fitting than for you to get a taste of the thing you want the most and for it to then be taken away from you or for you not to be able to have it to describe the pain of what been in hell is like...

You have to know what it feels like to be in heaven in order to experience hell which is the absence of what made you feel like you were in heaven...

So I have an internal conflict, is pluto really about personal growth truly? or is it just about making you suffer since its the ruler of hell after all? LOL

If you think about it pluto is such a mind F*ck!

^^ I am in one of those moods yesterday and today, I feel angry.

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hahaha! i totally understand. I' m always in a mood for Pluto. I think its a personal growth of transformation but i can also see it as a suffering. In tarot i compare it to the the Tower and Death and the Devil. As an Animal Spirit i think of the Black Panther. Pluto is a mind F***.

posted July 08, 2017 01:39 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
My experience with pluto is that it does create an "unbreakable bond" but on a psychic/soul level, total mind f*ck! Is not an unbreakable bond as in "lets get married and stay married" which I feel is more Saturn's domain.

Pluto is like a spiritual energy that is happening in another dimension, not in this third dimensional world. In esoteric astrology Pluto rules Pisces.

Is such a mind f*ck, it makes you question reality.

You could argue strong plutonic connections were build for another realm. If you think about it we are not truly free here on earth, we are confined by our fears, societal expectations, the need to survive ect..

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I sort of disagree with Saturn only because i know someone personally who had that in synastry he has north node in scorpio square juno natally and his ex wife saturn is conjunct that exact! he could not stand her but then again he is someone that doesnt believe in marriage. He stopped loving after 3 years after they were married and a child. And I know someone else who was in a looooong relationship with that aspect but it never lead to marriage. I've read that saturn conjunct north node is an absolute B**** to have in synastry especially for URANUS TYPES such as myself i would hate it! but my parents have it and they have been married for 40 years.

I can see that about Pluto in synastry that its unbreakable on a soul/psychic level.

BUT i can for sure see it lead to LONG KARMIC relationships that lead to personal transformation when it comes to saturn conjunct north node.

posted July 08, 2017 01:50 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
This quote from the joker also really fits pluto:

Desire becomes surrender. Surrender becomes power.

When you desire something or someone, as in the case of Harley Quinn and the Joker, your surrender to the desire and the desire becomes your power. Harley Quinn’s desire and willingness to surrender to the Joker in the end becomes her power. He falls for her just as hard as she has fallen for him, to the point where the Joker will risk death to save her, thus giving her power over him.

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posted July 08, 2017 05:45 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
I sort of disagree with Saturn only because i know someone personally who had that in synastry he has north node in scorpio square juno natally and his ex wife saturn is conjunct that exact! he could not stand her but then again he is someone that doesnt believe in marriage. He stopped loving after 3 years after they were married and a child. And I know someone else who was in a looooong relationship with that aspect but it never lead to marriage. I've read that saturn conjunct north node is an absolute B**** to have in synastry especially for URANUS TYPES such as myself i would hate it! but my parents have it and they have been married for 40 years.

I can see that about Pluto in synastry that its unbreakable on a soul/psychic level.

BUT i can for sure see it lead to LONG KARMIC relationships that lead to personal transformation when it comes to saturn conjunct north node.

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posted July 08, 2017 06:43 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
What I mean is that saturn aspects in synastry in general tend to glue people and make it so they stick around when the going gets rough but that needs to be balanced with lighter fun aspects too if not it will feel too heavy.

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Yeah I totally understand! And i can soooo see that lighter aspects indeed!