posted March 01, 2018 05:18 AM            

Look at his planets in 7th. I see he has Neptune conjunct 7th(evasive) and Mars in 7th(dislikes confinement).

And the Pluto in 7th transit is having him focus that much more on what he wants in this partnership and is more aggressive about it.

posted March 02, 2018 03:46 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Thank you. Absolutely. It's very very draining.

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Oh man I read up on your thread about this yesterday, yes it seems horrifying! I can only imagine

posted March 02, 2018 03:53 PM            

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Originally posted by areesquivel:
It's always a struggle, every one keep saying I need someone with lots of Earth which I haven't found, I keep surrounding my self with Air to be specific Gemini vibes.

Not exactly a grand trine, my moon is waaaaay off, my Sun is at 22 degrees Cancer so my Moon does trine at 28 degrees Pisces but my ASC is at 13 degrees Scorpio.

Still HEAVILY water lol, too heavy to handle and to the point most people calls me dramatic when they don't have water.

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ok, yes too wide orb, but they are on the same page atleast, all water!
I would love having a watery person like you as friend! And well yes you would need more earth I agree. Why do you attract geminis? some placement there? (I have a gemini stellium btw ahaha!)

posted March 02, 2018 04:09 PM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
I'd imagine the relationship would become a very terrible play of emotions. Pluto is so intense, it's one of those intensities that needs to be felt on both sides and not just one person. I had two friends with this situation. One is highly Plutonic, the other is not so much. They have a hard time making things comfortable for one another. It's always hidden meanings in their words. Conversations can run deep, in a good or bad way, but because the other is not Plutonian by nature, they often misunderstand the Pluto person's intent and start coming up with all sorts of ridiculous and irrational answers to solve their uncomfortable behavior. It is not good in my opinion. I feel it is a very rocky ride, a very big risk, when one is highly Plutonian and the other is barely hanging by a thread to understand anything Plutonian. Too much love/hate scenarios popping up and it often p*sses the both of them off. Pluto person wants to be in control and understood and appreciated for their more in-depth nature, the other person just doesn't understand it at all.

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Yes very well written! I understand and agree fully! Thank you so much for writing this!

Its exactly like that for me. I jus wanna have a deep bond and connection. Even if its not gonna be sexual, I wanna connect EMITIONALLY. And I wanna talk about deep stuff. And he just wanna talk about suck trivial things, all the time! Like what he eat that day, how was the bus ride, how the weather is (for the love of lord! Don't do this to a plutonian, ever!)
I don't feel seen and apreciated at all
And he will see my energy as too strong and forward with deep questions, which he never answers anyway! His like "oh dunno, never thought about that" (O M G!)

posted March 02, 2018 04:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
So u think he is acting more "Pluto" than you are?

Look at his planets in 7th. I see he has Neptune conjunct 7th(evasive) and Mars in 7th(dislikes confinement).

And the Pluto in 7th transit is having him focus that much more on what he wants in this partnership and is more aggressive about it.

We tend to be more 7th house in our relationships (especially long-term ones). These planets tend to take over.

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Oh I'm so happy you stopped by here Aries23Degrees! <3

Yes you are right, he is evasive and he does seem to dislike having to feel like he must do something when he does not wanna. Thats why he sulked that much I guess that friday.

Also I once suggested an outing with him and our mutual friend. He came with ridicilous excuses while smiing and being sweet about it. I sensed his cancer rising and 4th house sun immidiately, stepping in sideways trying to avoid saying no directly. And I can't take bs, I need someone to be as direct as possible, even though I'm sensetive as hell.

BUT he ones suggested a meet up, on his own accords months ago when we started to know each other. So I dunno, its only ok if he is the one holding the rains?

And its so decieving! Because if you meet him and spend time with him, his libra venus, pisces, cancer, leo is all you will see. You will think he is so gentle and a pushover, that he will say yes to whatever you suggest. You expect velvet, but its iron underneath :/

However I thought it was his Venus sextile Uranus, that he wants freedom. Pluto mars in 7th then?

Isin't 7th house projections? That he will project..ok wait a min, so he is "plutonian" right now bc of the transit, and he projects out that on others, but won't see it himself?

posted March 02, 2018 04:39 PM            

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Originally posted by tamoya:
I I posted this on another site but thought i would garner some interest and support here

I feel like venting, lol so i will tell my story / stories. Firstly i am Scorpio, my Sun, Uranus and my North Node are in Scorpio. I feel I am definitely very Plutonian. Even with my Sagittarius moon i seem to attract alot of intensity and have intense feelings all around.

Anyway i have been involved with this man on and off for the past 2 years. It has been an intense roller coaster. I think my Sagittarius moon is kicking in now where i love him dearly and still intensely but i feel i am wary of all the ups and downs. His Pluto conjunct my Venus ( not a close conjunction but i feel it is still very relevant none the less). My Pluto oppose his Venus, almost exactly. It also oppose his Sun, (Moon and Mercury - not so closely). Anyway our relationship has been intensely passionate. I am intense so when he started pulling away or trying to control me ( although i feel he was not doing so with great intent, he was just being himself) it hit me hard and i rebelled pushing him further away him being very Aries.

Anyway without going into much details; he is twice divorce so he is afraid of this relationship thing. We see each other twice a week. I have been proceeding lightly and funnily for the most part i am ok with it. I feel though that i am pulling away emotionally, almost like this has ran its course, as much as i love him. I am not sure he is capable of giving me what i want. The relationship is alot more complicated than what i have written here, there are several other factors that i don't have the time to go into details since i want to go into my other story.

I started this temporary job about 6 weeks ago. It is definitely so since i just finished school and i am studying for my licensing exam and this job has absolutely nothing to do with my profession. I am just doing it to bring in some extra money.

Anyway, have you ever felt something jarring almost irritating? There was a manager who i kinda noticed, who seemed a bit loud ( in retrospect not very) but i remember just a slight tension or irritation for no apparent reason. It was so subtle that i thought about it after the fact ( of what happened, which i will tell soon) and somehow i felt that he noticed me too.

So i am doing this job for about a week now, weird things have also happened on the job but i wont mention, not significant but still weird. He was the manager on duty that evening we were working over time. He comes up to the table to tell me we are leaving at a particular time since they shuttled us from another location. Anyway he was close but not that close to me, like across a table.

I looked up and it was one of the most intense eye connection i have had. Something shifted at that moment. I was the one that looked away. I feel we were both tired and our guards were down, it was definitely soul stirring and without a doubt i know he felt it too. It so happened that he ended up driving us to the other location in his car. Of course i ended up in the front, nervous as hell because i didn't know what just happened, it literally shook my core. I was so nervous that i tried getting out of the car without undoing the seat belt, lol,.. He was " you have to undo that"I felt he was teasing me under all of that but...i had to keep it professional. The next day i went to work, heard them singing happy birthday to him ( why o why, lol) so i found out his birthday and heard him telling someone his age. If i hadn't found those things out maybe i wouldn't have been as obsessive about all of this.

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Wow well thank you for sharing here tamoya! I read it all and I really understand how you mean. The feelings and eye contacts you are describing is what I have gone through with this guy 1 year ago.

Your pluto is aspecting his venus and yours his, hmm I wonder which of you are holding the power over the other? Maybe both. However yes those intense energies have to be met, because as you describe in the first part about the other guy, what happens is, you will feel unsatisfied and frustrated if your energies are not met and if the guy does not seem to get your depth. Then you will start to resent the person, and psuh him away. Thats whats happening to me right now, he does not wanna connect with me, so I wanna push him away.

But also Pluto is what I call it an OCD energy, I'm too obsessed and too ocd to let him go. He is my dopamin drug :/

posted March 02, 2018 06:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
As the headline says, I’m very interested in your experiences about relationships where only one person is plutonic, and the other is not or maybe mildly so. But there is heavy plutonic energies in the synastry, composite etc.

I do wanna give some background information, but maybe its best to keep this intro short, until I get some replies?

I have read all the threads on Lindaland about Pluto-Sun aspects in synastry and composite. As a true virgo asc and plutonian, I really obsess about this whole matter, and well I can’t see the forest for the trees. But finally I had a break through, and Iunderstand this guys behaviour more better! I had always thought it was due to him having a Capricorn Mars, but it was all Pluto. How ironic, I could not see the underworld lord…

I just wanna add one of my questions for now. I’m plutonic with Sun and Asc ruler opposite Pluto in 3rd Scorpio. Also my sun ruler Venus is in 8th house inconjunct Pluto. Pluto is also my last dispositor. (my real chart ruler)

This guy himself has only one real pluto aspect in his chart, and its Pluto square his Leo Mercury. So he is not Plutonic.
In synastry though, his Pluto is of course, opposite my Sun.
I have always thought I would not be affected of this, since I already have this aspect natally, and I’m plutonic.
I act controlling and I do shut down and get very angry etc when I can’t control situations involving him. And lately I have came to the conclusion, that it seems he is the one having the “upper hand” , for ex, he can sense when I have expectations on him and trying to control him in a way (not really) and he will get defensive and react by running away (repulsed) and I’m being plutonic is not making me the “stronger one” in all this. That’s what’s baffling me.
(In composite we have Sun trine Pluto. In progressed Composite we now have Sun square Pluto, and its now the power plays are on!)

Is this something you have came across?

I have posted our charts here before, but thought best to start a new thread.

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Melinn; Thanks for replying! I totally get you with the intensity. I for one don't think i have ever had a shallow relationship; those end pretty quickly, lol. So i understand your needs totally, although i feel the older i get the more in control of my emotions i become, plus it helps to find something else to focus on. I am believing that there is something holding you to this guy. I have found alot of these men do have very intense emotions, they just dont want to deal with it so they tend to run & it is so real as with my current friend. Try letting him have his space and focus on you, they come around like sheeps when they see your attention is elsewhere. Thats what i have been doing with my current beau...i have just let go. i still love him, we do have an intense connection especially in regards to our shared religious / spiritual life - I think thats the glue between us. I believe this new guy is either going bring us closer together or cause us to go our separate ways. Its just that the new guy is Capricorn & i know nothing about him in all honesty, i want to snoop but i am afraid to ask in that work environment. I feel he will not be rushing into anything ( good ole steadfast Capricorn ) and me with my Sag moon just wants to jump in, atleast have a real conversation but its so difficult to navigate. I feel in my heart its going to happen though ( me getting to know him ) Just like how the job terminated 2 days after that intense connection but i knew in my heart i would be back there. So what i am saying...meditate, pray & follow your gut with astrology's help of course

posted March 02, 2018 06:13 PM            

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Wow well thank you for sharing here tamoya! I read it all and I really understand how you mean. The feelings and eye contacts you are describing is what I have gone through with this guy 1 year ago.

Your pluto is aspecting his venus and yours his, hmm I wonder which of you are holding the power over the other? Maybe both. However yes those intense energies have to be met, because as you describe in the first part about the other guy, what happens is, you will feel unsatisfied and frustrated if your energies are not met and if the guy does not seem to get your depth. Then you will start to resent the person, and psuh him away. Thats whats happening to me right now, he does not wanna connect with me, so I wanna push him away.

But also Pluto is what I call it an OCD energy, I'm too obsessed and too ocd to let him go. He is my dopamin drug :/

In your case, I would say that the intense energies will be you guys fuel for some time. And the more you can't get him, the more ocd you will become, until you get sick by it and push it away. But I hope you will get closer to each other so you can see if he is the right man for you or not

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posted March 03, 2018 07:02 AM            

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Originally posted by tamoya:
Oh he definitely has the power for the most part. I am on his turf. But i find there are times i wont see him for awhile. But i see his car parked conspicuously so i know he is there. He could be watching me on camera, lol. But i feel a definite pulling away at times, then of course i have to pull away too. I have been around the block a few times, i have that much more control now. I feel he senses that, then i see him coming to look in the cafeteria, he always stops at the door which i sit beside. I don't know if he is really looking for someone but he always turns back when our eyes meet. There is a part of me that wants to think all of this is in my head but i feel those synastry connections are not lying and it gives me confidence.

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Yes I see how you mean, that push and pull situation. Its weird he has the power since you seem to be the pluto?

For me, I keep a very detailed journal of all our interactions (I have ocd, i have to write down stufflike that, so I can analyze things, but it makes me more crazy sometimes).

Anyway, I see in my journal I have pushed and pulled the most in our interactions. And he has been fine with it. UNTIL when I started to have Expectations on him and our friendship, thats when he started to push me away, what I can see in my journal anyway :/.

I feel like nothing will happen if I don't like a true aries venus push for things. And I get frustrated with status quos. Thats why I have sarted to be more demanding (in his eyes I guess). Like asking for a meet up. Or making him feel bad for dissing lunch with me (and I acted very bad after that diss) etc. He has acted so passive aggressive after all that stuff. I thought he can't handle pluto.

But Aries23degree pointed out his Mars 7th house and pluto transit. I guess he really can't stand expectations?! He just wan't things to flow in his own pace. And he will act out if I seem to expect stuff.

What he does not get, (I guess) is that I feel and act as I do because I like him very much. I mean, is that so hard to understand for him? Or does he just see me as a controlling and blaming person? :/

Oh I'm not good at placement in list form, I would need to see charts

posted March 03, 2018 08:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:

Yes I see how you mean, that push and pull situation. Its weird he has the power since you seem to be the pluto?

For me, I keep a very detailed journal of all our interactions (I have ocd, i have to write down stufflike that, so I can analyze things, but it makes me more crazy sometimes).

Anyway, I see in my journal I have pushed and pulled the most in our interactions. And he has been fine with it. UNTIL when I started to have Expectations on him and our friendship, thats when he started to push me away, what I can see in my journal anyway :/.

I feel like nothing will happen if I don't like a true aries venus push for things. And I get frustrated with status quos. Thats why I have sarted to be more demanding (in his eyes I guess). Like asking for a meet up. Or making him feel bad for dissing lunch with me (and I acted very bad after that diss) etc. He has acted so passive aggressive after all that stuff. I thought he can't handle pluto.

But Aries23degree pointed out his Mars 7th house and pluto transit. I guess he really can't stand expectations?! He just wan't things to flow in his own pace. And he will act out if I seem to expect stuff.

What he does not get, (I guess) is that I feel and act as I do because I like him very much. I mean, is that so hard to understand for him? Or does he just see me as a controlling and blaming person? :/

Oh I'm not good at placement in list form, I would need to see charts

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Melinn, this has nothing to do with Astrology but i honestly feel with men. Let them go, just give them alot of space and they will come running back. If at that point you still are not getting what you want from the relationship, try having an honest conversation but be prepare to walk away. I think with my present beau, we went out last night, it was fun, he is going away for a month which gives me time to think but i think our approach with this relationship will have to change, i am prepared to walk after all i am not getting any younger. I feel astrology provides motivating & demotivating energies but it doesn't speak to the will.

posted March 03, 2018 08:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
woh uranus and pluto! How come you attract plutonians?

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posted March 03, 2018 08:54 AM            

As oppose to the name of this discussion. I think both our Plutos are working. His seems to have a little more hard aspect with my planets especially venus and i just learnt natally your mars aspecting your Pluto, makes you more Plutonic. which we both have & his seems more potent...correct me if i am wrong.

posted March 05, 2018 04:30 AM            

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Originally posted by DreamCatcher:
It's my VENUS . I attract a lot of guys that their Pluto Squares my Venus, I've noticed....very intense...

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posted March 05, 2018 09:56 AM            

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Originally posted by tamoya:
Melinn,

As oppose to the name of this discussion. I think both our Plutos are working. His seems to have a little more hard aspect with my planets especially venus and i just learnt natally your mars aspecting your Pluto, makes you more Plutonic. which we both have & his seems more potent...correct me if i am wrong.

I dont know how to get the chart on here.

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Sorry for my late reply!
Well Pluto aspecting Mars should not make you more Plutonic then Pluto-venus for ex. I mean, Pluto aspecting the inner planets and angles certainly means a lot, and in my opinion sun, moon ,venus , mars more so because those are planets that show drive, ideals, expressions etc etc. Mars is one of scorpios rulers so thats maybe why some say it will make you more plutonic.

posted March 05, 2018 04:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
ok, yes too wide orb, but they are on the same page atleast, all water!
I would love having a watery person like you as friend! And well yes you would need more earth I agree. Why do you attract geminis? some placement there? (I have a gemini stellium btw ahaha!)

But I have a well balanced chart with all the elements. I have lots of earth, and air but also fire and water. But, well I think I need some water persons like you in my life as I tend to attract saturnians and earthy people. What I need is more emotional sensetive people that would understand my poor Venus for ex. My Venus is in square with Neptune, and in all kinds of relationships I give and give and sacrifice, and I don't feel apreciated at all
Thats so draining, and makes me hate myself, but I still keep on givng, can't help it

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I can help with that water need then! I need lots of Earth and Air which I lack too, Gemini stellium? wow! I don't have anything except Chiron which might explain, I have some healing to do with that energy maybe, Gemini Rules my 8th house and in that house sits Mercury and Venus but in Cancer.

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Originally posted by Melinn:
Sorry for my late reply!
Well Pluto aspecting Mars should not make you more Plutonic then Pluto-venus for ex. I mean, Pluto aspecting the inner planets and angles certainly means a lot, and in my opinion sun, moon ,venus , mars more so because those are planets that show drive, ideals, expressions etc etc. Mars is one of scorpios rulers so thats maybe why some say it will make you more plutonic.

Oh yes well there is a guide on how to post charts. You upload on a client site, like tinypic. But yes it requires some work. Its easy but a few tweeks are needed :/

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posted March 14, 2018 02:53 PM            

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Originally posted by tamoya:

No worries. I read somewhere that Mars is a lower octave version of Pluto

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posted March 14, 2018 02:56 PM            

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Originally posted by areesquivel:
I can help with that water need then! I need lots of Earth and Air which I lack too, Gemini stellium? wow! I don't have anything except Chiron which might explain, I have some healing to do with that energy maybe, Gemini Rules my 8th house and in that house sits Mercury and Venus but in Cancer.

Let's be friends then! I need Earth and Air in my life lol.

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I totally forgot my own started thread haha!

Aww yes! Lets be friends!