posted February 25, 2018 02:02 PM            

I do wanna give some background information, but maybe its best to keep this intro short, until I get some replies?

I have read all the threads on Lindaland about Pluto-Sun aspects in synastry and composite. As a true virgo asc and plutonian, I really obsess about this whole matter, and well I can’t see the forest for the trees. But finally I had a break through, and Iunderstand this guys behaviour more better! I had always thought it was due to him having a Capricorn Mars, but it was all Pluto. How ironic, I could not see the underworld lord…

I just wanna add one of my questions for now. I’m plutonic with Sun and Asc ruler opposite Pluto in 3rd Scorpio. Also my sun ruler Venus is in 8th house inconjunct Pluto. Pluto is also my last dispositor. (my real chart ruler)

This guy himself has only one real pluto aspect in his chart, and its Pluto square his Leo Mercury. So he is not Plutonic.
In synastry though, his Pluto is of course, opposite my Sun.
I have always thought I would not be affected of this, since I already have this aspect natally, and I’m plutonic.
I act controlling and I do shut down and get very angry etc when I can’t control situations involving him. And lately I have came to the conclusion, that it seems he is the one having the “upper hand” , for ex, he can sense when I have expectations on him and trying to control him in a way (not really) and he will get defensive and react by running away (repulsed) and I’m being plutonic is not making me the “stronger one” in all this. That’s what’s baffling me.
(In composite we have Sun trine Pluto. In progressed Composite we now have Sun square Pluto, and its now the power plays are on!)

Is this something you have came across?

posted February 26, 2018 01:04 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Do you have a link to the other thread with the charts in it?

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Yes! Here it is: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/007369.html

More dien the thread there is asteroid free charts aswell, since the ones with asteroids looked too messy to read

posted February 26, 2018 02:58 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Ugh i hear you.

Im in a sitation now where we're BOTH plutonian AND uranian. so come and go times a million. Hot and cold. so frustrating. im at the point where i cant take it anymore and HE seems to always have the upperhand. I feel like it becomes one sided and I’m the only one obsessing when he goes cold because he has a Scorpio stellium conjunct Uranus. That’s when I feel the distance. Very unpredictable.
we have his sun/merc/pluto conj on my pluto. So he would have that with everyone our age. Although i can still feel its effects. He runs away when i trigger him and when he is faced with looking at this deepest fears. As soon as i let go or am about to give up he comes back. its really very tiring.
I'm not sure if ive helped at all sorry. just relaying my experience for you.
We have sun sextile pluto in the composite and pluto conjunct moon there too.
ugh pluto.... but relationships are so boring without him.

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posted February 26, 2018 03:49 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Thank you lol I really needed to get that out 😂

His Pluto squares my Venus although it’s like 8 degrees so hmmmm not sure, maybe that’s where the upper hand comes from 🤷🏻‍♀️
Ohhhhh wait. His Pluto is also contraparallel my moon and mine is parallel his pretty tightly 🙈

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Yeah contraparallels! Its almost the same for us! His Pluto is parallel my Venus.

Yes you being the Venus will most likely give him the upper hand :/

I would really like being the one with the upper hand, just for a change! Haha! I mean, you and me are plutonic right? So we should have more power, atleast me, I have Pluto Oppo Sun. That should make someone powerful, or it just acts like dragging in people more powerful than you... oh man..

posted February 26, 2018 04:21 AM            

Ah your sun opposes Pluto! Yeah that’s pretty heavy. I have sun/merc in my 8th. Scorp asc. Sun/merc trine Pluto. He has mars/Venus/moon/Uranus in Scorpio with that sun/merc/Pluto conj in Libra.

Tbh I’d rather an equal balance of power but it’s the synastry which tells who is more likely to have the upper hand, regardless of how Plutonian the people are 🤷🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

posted February 27, 2018 01:58 PM            

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Originally posted by areesquivel:
Scorpio ASC with Pluto conjunct ASC and well, I have a relationship with someone who's more on the Neptune side, with Sun conjunct Neptune and I'm way too intense for him, he's not that fond with the drama I create but he forgets rather quickly about things and finds in his heart to forget my dramatic ways, is like he's inmune to my scorpio Venom, yet again I'm heavily Cancer too with Sun, Mercury and Venus so I'm very sensitive and Scorpio nature sometimes is stronger.

I met someone online but never met him on person cause I was very scared of him, he's also plutonic with Scorpio ASC and Moon in Scopio conjunct ASC, I have to say that was intense even via message so basically never got to meet him because of that, intense that's what I can say.

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Yes I can understand the scorpio energy can bevery overwhelming for neptunians

On the other hand, neptune is a water planet aswell, so I think they got it. Also you having cancer energies I think would help you to have better control over pluto?

posted February 27, 2018 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by DreamCatcher:
Well, I am Venusian AND Uranian..LOL . I do attract Plutonian dudes, and then my combo drives them nuts and brings out the pluto to the MAX. They NEED to contain me...I can't stand that! I guess we all have something...this makes us learn our karmic lessond, I guess?

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posted February 27, 2018 02:07 PM            

I had to quote this one by RunAroundScreaming, hope she is around haha love that username!

"Everything starts with a bang, and you feel strongly connected from the beginning. Chemistry, passion, the works--a soul connection. But games soon start being played on both sides because passion like that cant be expressed strongly every single time you see each other. People have bad days, people need their space sometimes, people feel more depressed or low energy on some days than others, etc. So, as soon as someone shows the slightest disinterest, the other person shows disinterest, too, like "okay fine, you're gonna be like that, then I am too." Also it means that sometimes you upset each other by being coming off too controlling or dominating. That results in a power struggle, obviously."

posted February 27, 2018 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Insufferable. Suffocating. Obsessive. Scary. I'm not Plutonian at all and I dislike heavy Pluto contacts in my synastry.

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posted February 27, 2018 03:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
Yes I can understand the scorpio energy can bevery overwhelming for neptunians

On the other hand, neptune is a water planet aswell, so I think they got it. Also you having cancer energies I think would help you to have better control over pluto?

Btw I just thought about this, it seems to me, we females are much much better at handling Plutonian energies!
But nope thats not surprising at all, because 1-scorpiois a feminine enery, Ying. 2-Females are very good at handling and understanding emotions, males are not as good.

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posted February 27, 2018 04:23 PM            

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Originally posted by areesquivel:
Yes I guess since both water we can understand each other is just that I'm waaaay too intense for Neptune people, even though I do feel they have this feminine way approaching the intense energy. I think my Cancer personal planets sometimes enhance that, Scorpio itself being too intense and then Cancer the sensitive side... those too together can be chaos, I have Pisces Moon also.

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(omg I had so many misspellings! Sorry for that!)

Oh my! Then you have a gso called grand trine in water?

I aliken that to 3 mirrors in a triangle, facing each other and constantly bouncing back water energies between them. So You having a grand trine in all 3 water signs, is like every one and each of them are emphasizing each other!

I constant feedback... man that should be too heavy for any person that does not have as much water as you have in their chart!

posted February 27, 2018 05:46 PM            

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Originally posted by mereiposa:
I think you're seeing the moon square moon play out. Add your Chiron and Mars to that. Ouch!

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Hmm moon square moon certainly would not cause this much tension? And why now?

But yes iI too think Chiron adds tension, we both have transit chriron squaring our natal venuses! And I have noticed from before I get super super sensetive when chiron aspects my venus.

Also transit Mars is on our boths Uranus so thats that aswell. But still, I'm convinced he can't stand my pluto and having my sun oppo his pluto anymore :/

posted February 27, 2018 09:01 PM              

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Originally posted by Melinn:
Oh yes I saw the chart you posted, gonna look closely at that one. I feel you dear! Even I can't stand it, not when the other one does have upper hand. It's soul crushing, like he is drawing out all my energy, like a vampire!

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Thank you. Absolutely. It's very very draining.

posted February 28, 2018 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
(omg I had so many misspellings! Sorry for that!)

Oh my! Then you have a gso called grand trine in water?

I aliken that to 3 mirrors in a triangle, facing each other and constantly bouncing back water energies between them. So You having a grand trine in all 3 water signs, is like every one and each of them are emphasizing each other!

I constant feedback... man that should be too heavy for any person that does not have as much water as you have in their chart!

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It's always a struggle, every one keep saying I need someone with lots of Earth which I haven't found, I keep surrounding my self with Air to be specific Gemini vibes.

Not exactly a grand trine, my moon is waaaaay off, my Sun is at 22 degrees Cancer so my Moon does trine at 28 degrees Pisces but my ASC is at 13 degrees Scorpio.

posted February 28, 2018 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
Hmm moon square moon certainly would not cause this much tension? And why now?

But yes iI too think Chiron adds tension, we both have transit chriron squaring our natal venuses! And I have noticed from before I get super super sensetive when chiron aspects my venus.

Also transit Mars is on our boths Uranus so thats that aswell. But still, I'm convinced he can't stand my pluto and having my sun oppo his pluto anymore :/

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