posted July 22, 2018 01:35 PM            

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
Now see! I love positive break-up stories. I always tell my husband that the end of our marriage doesn’t mean the end of our relationship. It’s just different. We’re still family. We can still be friends.

I get why people end up hating each other though!

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Reading about your synastry with your husband makes me think that you are a very patient person.
I have seen similar patterns in other persons that have a water ascendant and fire in their charts. And i think sure, go ahead and let your ego do all the things it wants, but ffs don't come crying or blaming bad circumstances, other people etc, the day it's time to "pay the bills".
I can't stand that sort of behavior at all.

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:

So, I’ve been thinking (because you know, it’s what I do 🧐🤔 ) about this... we have similar attraction patterns. Someone with planets in the mid-degrees of Aquarius will also create a grand trine for me but with my Sun/ASC in Gemini and Saturn in Libra.

Although about 8 years older, I attract these late 80s early 90s born Aquarians with the same planets in Cap.

Now that I’m thinking about it, it was one of these people that inspired this interest I have in astrology. I was looking for answers, an explanation for the connection. In fact, my very first post here was about it. Jeeeeez, it’s like they’re the same person (02/05/1990). I just don’t know his TOB. The way he looks at me, his moon has to be in Gemini, but it could be in the early degrees of Cancer.

Astrology is legit!

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I just adore thinking women!
And you just nailed my coworkers birth date!!! lol
This is actually amazing!

And yes, i have read about people who form grand trines together and i've seen it in action at my work. Its real!

posted July 22, 2018 05:35 PM            

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Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
I just adore thinking women!

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Nobody adores that!! Lol 😂

It manifests as this paternal aura that if I had to describe it in physical terms, I’d call myself a handsome woman! 😂 I’ve been told (by a knuckle-rubbing-as-he-walks silverback alpha male 🦍 Virgo moon) that I look like a girl (not a woman) but feel like a man! 🤣 I was oddly flattered! 😆

I’m so uncomfortable around the Libra/Virgo females I know because they’re these dainty little things. 🌹 As long as I sit still and don’t talk, I’m fine. Once I speak, I become the most masculine person in the room. 🦍

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Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
And you just nailed my coworkers birth date!!! lol

This is actually amazing!

And yes, i have read about people who form grand trines together and i've seen it in action at my work. Its real!

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Im so like: 🤩 in awe right now. Not just by this experience but by this one:

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Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
Edit: Her birthday is august 27th, 1 day after Chris

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Chris doesn’t count. He’s not an actual person in my life, but I did date a Virgo born around the same time. He told his sister he thought I was pretty without makeup and that he really liked that. I felt super masculine around him. It made me uncomfortable.

AND, this one:

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Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
Yes amen to the angles and the IC-DC in particular. I had a 10 year relationship with an aries woman who's sun is conjunct my DC and my sun is conjunct her DC, our moons are conjunct in Gemini.

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This is what I was told a while back about my “ideal partner”:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Reachingforthestars,

Mr Froggy has Sun in Aries opp your Saturn.
Mars on your MC or IC.
Venus in Aries opp your Mars.

There are two more versions of Mr Froggy, the double-s hehehe

One has Sun in Libra on your Pluto/Saturn and Venus on your Mars. The other has Sun on your Moon and Venus on your Neptune.

Both have the same Mars.

All three have Air or Fire Moons.

You're gonna have to kiss a lot of frogs

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Leeloo is a really good astrologer. Smart too. Witty and wise. I wish she didn’t leave the forums. Anyways, her assessment is based on pattern completions like the grand trine and the traditional attraction aspects and house placements and rulerships.

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Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
Reading about your synastry with your husband makes me think that you are a very patient person.

I can't stand that sort of behavior at all.

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Patient / foolish... I haven’t decided which one yet.

Neither can I, hence the explosive reactions that would overshadow the presumptuousness. I am 100% man in those moments. 😝

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Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
IC is where my heart is, at least today

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I get it. It is for me too, IC/MC. Always has been.

It’s been Libra and Aries rising with MC/IC in Cancer/Cap conjunct my nodes that I’ve been most attracted to. I kinda suspected that the Aquarian had angles here because it’s was that kind of reaction I had to him. I worked with him too, but he was a friend of my family. The first time we met (or I was in his presence), I was leaving somewhere. I was standing at a doorway, facing the inside of a house, saying goodbye to the person inside. He quietly walked up behind me and I had this debilitating sensation come over me. I stopped talking. The person inside looked at me like, “OMG, are you ok!” I didn’t even turn to look at him and he turned and walked into the garage. I glanced at him before I left. It was something that as a thinking female, I brushed off but never forgot. He was 18 years old, ok! Lol Like, NO! Just, NO!

We met again a few years later and the sensation wasn’t as strong but still there. I was ignoring it! I didn’t even realize it was him. He’s 8 years younger; I was having my first Saturn return, huh! My husband was cheating, again! 😆

He seemed to be showing more signs of attraction than I was. Like you, I dismissed it as being in my head. Nothing ever happened. He has a GF now.

There’s another Aquarian, born a few days later that has moon in Libra (conjunct my Pluto) or in Scorpio doing other things in my chart.

I just need to be alone for awhile! Lol

There are absolutely no empty sentiments behind me saying that I relate to the heavy feeling of a relationship (with anyone) feeling more like a burden than a blessing.

It made me a little disappointed to read that she said it will potentially never be the right time for you two. That sounds like the voice of defeat and someone that may not be equipped to see disappointments and challenges as the opportunities they are. Not that she actually is this way or cannot be different, it’s just what I hear. With you two taking turns acting out the Pluto/moon, I can feel the heaviness and maybe your distaste for it. I can imagine what it’s like and how easily it could go wrong. It depends on the people involved. It’s hard to ignore the things you see in people (including yourself) that make you question the successfulness of a union. At this point in my life, I haven’t seen what I want reflected back to me yet.

I have a personality type that has been described this way, “Has a good eye for noticing contradictions and omissions in actions and words. Skeptical about the prospects of hasty initiatives. Can provide a characteristic for someone, predict his main reactions.“ idk if that last skill is a blessing or a curse. Feels like a curse. It definitely can be. I’ll normally see things in someone - including myself - that I know is gonna be a challenge and I doubt it’s potential, or I see the potential but doubt the longevity.

posted July 22, 2018 11:02 PM            

If all your planets fall into the 16-29th degree range (except for Jupiter) and tNeptune is exactly square your Venus and my ASC/sun, then you must be feeling that Venus of yours conjuncting my sun/ASC (16/17 degrees-Gemini). Which means your Venus trines my 5th house Saturn in Libra (15 degrees) too! It’s my 8th house ruler. 🧟‍♂️

I have Pluto @ 24 degrees Libra so it may be trine your moon.

Where’s your Jupiter? My moon is basically @ 10 degrees Cap, and Venus at 10 degrees Taurus. IC @ 4 degrees Virgo, Draco DSC @ 3 degrees Virgo, Draco sun @ 4 degrees Pisces.

posted July 23, 2018 04:37 PM            

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Lol, ScandinavianCrab! 💖 I’m awesome, ain’t I!? 🧚🏻‍♀️

If all your planets fall into the 16-29th degree range (except for Jupiter) and tNeptune is exactly square your Venus and my ASC/sun, then you must be feeling that Venus of yours conjuncting my sun/ASC (16/17 degrees-Gemini). Which means your Venus trines my 5th house Saturn in Libra (15 degrees) too! It’s my 8th house ruler. 🧟‍♂️

I have Pluto @ 24 degrees Libra so it may be trine your moon.

Where’s your Jupiter? My moon is basically @ 10 degrees Cap, and Venus at 10 degrees Taurus. IC @ 4 degrees Virgo, Draco DSC @ 3 degrees Virgo, Draco sun @ 4 degrees Pisces.

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You truly are awesome!
You mentioned that your husband cheated at you at least twice?
I guess you have your reasons to stay with him but I really hope you have claimed your right for revenge sex lol

After I read your post yesterday and had gone to bed I thought that you should have some biblical right to avenge your husbands betrayal, 7-fold..!!

I sense your ascendant and your 1st house Gemini sun is doing it's thing with both my venus and my 7th in Aries.

I tried to make your chart and ended up with a birthplace in Mexico lol! I know it isn't right because the moon isn't where it should be, but I think your house positions are fairly correct.

My Jupiter is at 7,37 degrees Virgo. So yes, we have a grand trine of Moon, Venus and Jupiter in earth!

Onwards. Your Pluto make's a 2 degree trine to my moon, and your mars makes a out of sign conjunction to my mars by almost 5 degrees. Your Uranus sextile my Mars.

Your Venus sits right on top of the beginning of my 8th house in Taurus and conjuncts my Vertex by 3 degrees.
Your Chiron is conjunct my Psyche by 1 degree. My Jupiter is almost exact conjunct your Psyche in Virgo.

Hello Saturn! We square both our suns with each others Saturn.

Your draconic Mars, if im right, conjuncts my natal moon and Venus in Gemini and your draconic Jupiter conjuncts my natal sun. My natal mars trines your draconic Venus in cap.

I am far from an expert in Astrology but I have a feeling that you are, synastry-wise, tons more attractive to me than I am to you I do have my sun and mercury close to MC and maybe that could do something for you

posted July 23, 2018 05:56 PM            

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:

It’s been Libra and Aries rising with MC/IC in Cancer/Cap conjunct my nodes that I’ve been most attracted to.

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Alright!

Well it seems to me our composite is a mess. But if ure bored some night i'll catch the next plane to Mexico!

posted July 23, 2018 06:18 PM            

Edit: ^ c’mon, I’m just teasing you! 🙃

posted July 23, 2018 06:20 PM            

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Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
Alright!

Well it seems to me our composite is a mess. But if ure bored some night i'll catch the next plane to Mexico!

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posted July 23, 2018 07:30 PM            

I will quote you on this, because I think the Gemini in you made a little to hasty conclusions.

When i think about it i could see how someone could describe my Libra date as "manly" in some ways. And it wouldn't really surprise me if she too had a 1st house sun also. I never perceived her as manly at all.
Though she was "practical" in a sense. When her business at my place was finished she hadn't much time to stay any longer. And when I think about it I do remember that she wasn't very keen to cuddle, and even though I have so much air in my chart, I do love to cuddle..

So please do not listen to those who call you manly or masculine. I believe you are practical, and a practical thinker is sexy as hell in my eyes!!!! And I am surely not alone thinking that.

Your husband is a retard. I'm sorry but he is.

I think you have beautiful traits, and I'm sure you look very beautiful without being a celebrity. And I don't know about exotic. I have several coworkers and friends that have similar traits

Lol! The draconic angles yes. How did I miss it..
Our angles sits on top of each other. My asc/disc is conjunct your ic/mic and vice versa... You have been trying to tell me that for some time right?

posted July 23, 2018 07:58 PM            

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Lol! The draconic angles yes. How did I miss it..
Our angles sits on top of each other. My asc/disc is conjunct your ic/mic and vice versa... You have been trying to tell me that for some time right?

Bed time..

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Good night... you can read this when you have time.

I can tell when someone has something there. 😉

Your Draco Mars conjuncts my tropical Venus! 😋 And, it looks like your Draco Saturn conjuncts my anti-vertex.
Correct, my Draco Jupiter conjuncts your tropical sun along with my Draco vertex. 🙂 It looks like your Draco vertex is conjunct my tropical DSC.

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Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
I never perceived her as manly at all.
Though she was "practical" in a sense.

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Yup! That’s what it is! In fact, according to that personality theory I keep referencing, my love styles are agape and pragma. I’m pragmatic!

Edit: She sounds awesome... If that’s how practical is defined (finishing and leaving), she is every guy’s dream! She’ll make practical the new thing! Again, I am kidding! Well, every guy’s dream but yours if you like to cuddle! 🤗 You’re kinda cute! Lol.

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Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
So please do not listen to those who call you manly or masculine.

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You’re too kind! I think you’re pretty awesome too just so you know! Anyways, it was a Norwegian coworker who told me that!! Lol.

posted July 23, 2018 08:28 PM            

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Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
Alright!

Well it seems to me our composite is a mess. But if ure bored some night i'll catch the next plane to Mexico!

Edit: We have composite Mars, Jupiter and Saturn conjunct in 2nd house Libra from where they square our Sun-mercury conjunction in late 11th house Gemini/early Cancer, and squares Neptune in late Sag 5th.
Though the Libra bunch makes aa nice trine to our 10th house Venus in late Taurus.
Venus makes a smooth opposition to Uranus in 4th. Moon is in 8th at 1 degree Aries..

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Im from Hawaii.

posted July 23, 2018 11:28 PM            

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Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
I do have my sun and mercury close to MC and maybe that could do something for you

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So I finally got time to take a little closer look (not sure about orbs for midpoints):

My Venus/Mars midpoint is @ 22 degrees Cancer (it’s called the point of passion! Lol 😜 )

My Sun/Moon = 28 degrees Pisces (opposite ur mars)

My Moon/Venus @ 9 degrees Pisces (opposite ur Jupiter)

Your Sun/Moon = about 7 degrees cancer (opposite my moon not much over 2 degrees )

Your Venus/Mars is about 8 degrees Leo (square my Venus)

Your moon/mars around 12 degrees Leo (square my Venus)

posted July 24, 2018 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
I thought that you should have some biblical right to avenge your husband’s...

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I laughed when I read this! It’s funny because I have a Sag descendant and all... it was church that brought us together and church that kept us together for a long time. Not anymore. There will be no t!t for tat behavior from me (my husband would love that though). That “eye for an eye” BS is the Bible’s worst advice! Contradictig too! 😂 Often, I find myself telling people not to let the actions of others dictate the actions they take. Decide for yourself what is good or bad, right or wrong and act accordingly. Too often I hear stuff like, “why should I do that when they’re doing this.” “They’re” irrelevant! If YOU think what they’re doing is wrong in some way, do what you think is right. People can be so exhausting. 🙃🤣

posted July 24, 2018 04:37 PM            

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I laughed when I read this! It’s funny because I have a Sag descendant and all... it was church that brought us together and church that kept us together for a long time. Not anymore. There will be no t!t for tat behavior from me (my husband would love that though). That “eye for an eye” BS is the Bible’s worst advice! Contradictig too! 😂 Often, I find myself telling people not to let the actions of others dictate the actions they take. Decide for yourself what is good or bad, right or wrong and act accordingly. Too often I hear stuff like, “why should I do that when they’re doing this.” “They’re” irrelevant! If YOU think what they’re doing is wrong in some way, do what you think is right. People can be so exhausting. 🙃🤣

At the end of the day, I have to like myself!! 😍

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Aww I like you even more now!

Any time I see or feel that someone has been has been subject for a wrongdoing I do feel a need for justice to be done. Me and a friend uses to joke about 'revenge will be practiced by the standards of the old testament', but neither of us are believing christians. And I suck at holding grudges. Even if I even try to it's practically impossible. It might be easier for me to feel "spiteful", at least for some time, if someone else than me has been subject for a wrongdoing..

If i have been hurt i will use my most airy placements and i wont let that person inside again. Sure we can hangout etc but the "road" that truly passes by my heart might be inaccessible for that person for a long time.

Holding grudges will, just as I believe you are saying, do nothing more to you than making you more like the person who has hurt you, bringing the world into a downward spiral. It might sound as a cliché but I do believe in it.

In broader terms though, people who have been subject to violent crimes do have a right to justice, but it should be handled in a democratic justice system. And as long as we cant be sure that innocent people wont get executed there cant be a death penalty.

I do live in one of the most secular societies in the world but religion is one of the subjects that i do like to contemplate about. Same goes with most kinds of philosophies as well.

My mother is a believing and practicing christian and we do talk a lot about the bible as well as broader theology subjects. I really do like those conversations with her. She says she knows that i will be "saved/find salvation" but i have told her many times that i cant se myself surrendering to any organized religion, all kinds of christianity included.
All power seems to corrupt humans sooner or later, and the only system i will surrender to is our democratic society.

That was some of my 9th being explored right there

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It’s a scary looking grand cross and a mystic rectangle. Fortunately for us, I have an awesomeness first house sun and a badass Capricorn moon! I ain’t Skeeeeered of some red box looking thing! Lol! I’m kidding.
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Haha!! I haven't got a doubt in my heart about that! Seriously though, I have explored some charts in my life and this composite looks like a massacre, with a few exceptions. I do like that mars, Saturn Jupiter conjunction and the support from Venus.
But at the same time it feels generally like a pattern that if you find a good synastry the composite will blow and vice versa.
And I cant ignore people that claims that if you're looking for a relationship with longevity you might have to ignore some lack of attraction.

And also. What if two people like you and me met each other and found attraction, and at the same time had similar interest in astrology, sat down together and contemplated about a common composite that looks like a "massacre". And tried to identify what obstacles and traps that relationship, astrology-wise, could have and how they would "materialize". Wouldn't it be interesting to explore?
I don't know if it has been done. But I guess that if it ever was done, it would take both air and earth to accomplish it
What do you think about it, is a bad composite inescapable?

posted July 24, 2018 05:46 PM            

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Im from Hawaii.

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That is indeed exotic! I have been to the shores of Africa but that is the furthest I ever traveled.

When I think of Hawaii it seems very much like an paradise island. I haven't researched it much though so I don't know much about it.

I just had to look it up. It's a 24 hour trip to Honolulu from my capital with 2 stops

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:

Yup! That’s what it is! In fact, according to that personality theory I keep referencing, my love styles are agape and pragma. I’m pragmatic!

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And pragmatic was actually the word is was searching for. Yes pragmatic does not equal manly!

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:

Edit: She sounds awesome... If that’s how practical is defined (finishing and leaving), she is every guy’s dream! She’ll make practical the new thing! Again, I am kidding! Well, every guy’s dream but yours if you like to cuddle! 🤗 You’re kinda cute! Lol.

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posted July 24, 2018 10:57 PM            

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Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
Holding grudges will, just as I believe you are saying, do nothing more to you than making you more like the person who has hurt you, bringing the world into a downward spiral. It might sound as a cliché but I do believe in it.

In broader terms though, people who have been subject to violent crimes do have a right to justice, but it should be handled in a democratic justice system. And as long as we cant be sure that innocent people wont get executed there cant be a death penalty.

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Exactly! Here’s a cherry to top that cliche:

"🍒He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee." ... Nietzsche

Isn’t Nietzsche wise!? Lol. Perhaps it works the other way around too. If monsters create other monsters, can a saint create other saints? Lol!

I think it was Einstein who said something like you cannot solve a problem with the same thinking that created it. At some point, one party has to handle being transgressed against with something other than retaliation. Disarm, deescalate and disengage. You’ll only become a monster when you use the same tactics as one.

This won’t work in every situation, so I agree with you on exercising justice situationally. I think you have to know your foe in order to decide what’s right. That foe isn’t always “the person”. It can be an attitude he possess, poorly conceptualized notions of (im)proper behavior... it could be a lot of things.

Discipline and punishment are different, but often, those terms are erroneously used interchangeably. Understanding the differences are important in determining which one to use. Discipline can exist as a quality someone possesses, or it is the actions taken to redirect behavior with the intent of cultivating discipline. Usually, learning (or unlearning) is involved. Punishment is just punishment and it too has its place.

Unfortunately, for the sake of simplicity and order, which are necessities in life, we have to standardize our ways of dealing with things and much is lost in the process.

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Wouldn't it be interesting to explore?

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Omg, absolutely! Don’t ever forget you are speaking to a Gemini. My curiosity will be the death of me and I am okay with that!

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What do you think about it, is a bad composite inescapable?

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Nope! Absolutely not! I try to avoid thinking in terms of good and bad, or of good and bad in the same terms others do. I think I quoted this in another thread somewhere, sometime ago, but oh well, it’s worth quoting again...

“Moral philosophy is nothing else but the science of what is good, and evil, in the conversation, and society of mankind. Good, and evil, are names that signify our appetites, and aversions; which in different temmpers, customs, and doctrines of men, are different."

I think it was Hobbes who wrote that. He uses the terms good and “evil”, but in this context, “bad” is just as appropriate a term. We associate the things we like, the things we find enjoyable and pleasant (our appetites) as “good”, and the things we don’t like, the things we find unenjoyable and unpleasant as “bad” (our aversions). I don’t think there are many things that are inherently “bad”. This may be a misconception propagated by institutions like religion.

One of the things I like about the personality typing system I talk about is it’s description of our mental or psychological processing. They call it “information metabolism”. I think it’s a good analogy because it helps people visualize an otherwise unseeable phenomenon. In the same way, I think we can use physiology to illustrate emotional and psychological growth.

Square and oppositions, Saturn and Pluto... they’re just exercise for the soul. If you have bad form, you’ll increase your chances of hurting yourself, but we cannot operate under the assumption that all pain is bad and should be avoided. Many people - especially those who overvalue rationality - are subjects (not masters) of their emotions and complexes. We have more control over certain situations than we realize yet we unwittingly surrender that control to our base impulses. Taking control is much easier said than done, but shouldn’t we take the opportunities we have to try? Of course, We have to be cautious of who we let into our lives like we have to be cautious with what we put into our bodies.

Good? Bad? Inescapable? Only one way to find out! The hard way!!
💥🥊 lol

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

I’m still trying to figure it out! This all sounds much better in my mind. I feel like I’m rambling and not saying what I’m trying to say. Lol! What I know is I like having my own experiences to reference not someone else’s.

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You have written so much I would want to talk to you about so what ever you do, don't feel neglected because I haven't responded to it all. I just try to focus at one thing at the time!

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Don’t worry about it! I feel the same way! Having conversations via online forums has it limits! It’s hard to address everything the way you’d like. Plus, we have like a 12 hour time difference.

Thank you for being reassuring!

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Sure we can hangout etc but the "road" that truly passes by my heart might be inaccessible for that person for a long time.

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Yeeeah! I know what you mean! Sorry for quoting things so much, but I feel like restating something someone else has already articulated well would be an inefficient use of my time. Lol. This is one of the best descriptions of my type that I’ve read:

“If you’re in a relationship with someone of this personality type, one of the best ways to build intimacy is both intellectual and emotional honesty with yourself. If an INTJ suspects that you can be exploitative – that you can dick with someone’s emotions or be intentionally cruel – they will shut you out as quickly as possible. Being vulnerable is precious to an INTJ and they appreciate it when you express it. Staying present, working through an issue, and being unwilling to be cruel with an INTJ is the surest way to their heart.”

posted July 25, 2018 12:22 AM            

Since I'm the one proposing it I would like to send you my personal e-mail, but since I don't have the time to set up any phony address I would only send it encrypted.

So I would want to challenge your Gemini-curiousity now Around where I live only students of computer science and dark net drug customers know about public key encryption. I will assume you are neither of those. (I am not a dark net customer, I just want to assure you of that )

You will need a text-editor, windows note pad will work just fine. Go to a service as this one https://8gwifi.org/rsafunctions.jsp

Everytime you load that web page a new set of encryption keys will be generated. So for this to work you will have to write down both the keys that you have on your screen. I guess copy and paste will do the trick

Post your public key here, for simplicity you can include the -----BEGIN PUBLIC KEY----- and -----END PUBLIC KEY------phrases.

And I will send you my e-mail encrypted with your public key.

You can then take my encrypted message back to that page and use the private key you have saved to read my message in clear text.

You might have some e-mail you don't mind sharing, but where's the fun of that?