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EmGem
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posted July 18, 2018 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anyone had this? If so what was it like for you in your relationship? This is the only Saturn we have in our composite.

I’m hoping to hear positive experiences! I’m glad it’s not the square lol.

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I have this aspect currently, with my partner of almost two years.

We also have Uranus/ Neptune trine Sun/ Moon/ Mercury, square mars/ Jupiter.

We argue just like any couple, but we keep it between us.

We’re a very private couple for the most part.

Composite Saturn quincunxes Composite Moon too. family is VERY important to both of us although we’re still working out the kinks as far as boundaries go.

I believe C Saturn, on its own, is a very binding aspect to have in a relationship.

Based off what I’ve read and experienced, both people feel responsible to uphold and/ or maintain the relationship, in the eyes of the public.

Composite Saturn conjunct ASC feels like a big container surrounding us as a couple.

We also have C Moon in the 8H so this might explain that feeling too.

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posted July 19, 2018 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I have it with my lover in Composite conjunct Uranus in the 1st house and Saturn conjuncts the AC too widely by 6-7d orb, we shall see.

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posted July 20, 2018 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
I have this aspect currently, with my partner of almost two years.

We also have Uranus/ Neptune trine Sun/ Moon/ Mercury, square mars/ Jupiter.

We argue just like any couple, but we keep it between us.

We’re a very private couple for the most part.

Composite Saturn quincunxes Composite Moon too. family is VERY important to both of us although we’re still working out the kinks as far as boundaries go.

I believe C Saturn, on its own, is a very binding aspect to have in a relationship.

Based off what I’ve read and experienced, both people feel responsible to uphold and/ or maintain the relationship, in the eyes of the public.

Composite Saturn conjunct ASC feels like a big container surrounding us as a couple.

We also have C Moon in the 8H so this might explain that feeling too.


Happy to read this Yanmorg I like how you describe it like a big container! I’m so grateful we actually have Saturn doing something in the composite. We have strong Saturn in synastry, also Uranus and Pluto.
That Saturn/asc conjunction in the composite conjuncts my natal moon exact (which conjuncts both our Saturns). So although we are on the early’ish stages of cementing something here I’m hoping this means I’m going to feel it’s a stable relationship.

Ive read that composite sat/asc can kill spontaneity in a rel. How is it for you guys??


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posted July 20, 2018 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Well I have it with my lover in Composite conjunct Uranus in the 1st house and Saturn conjuncts the AC too widely by 6-7d orb, we shall see.

Let me know how it plays out for you hyp!

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posted July 21, 2018 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bumping for yanmorg!

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posted July 26, 2018 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by EmGem:
Happy to read this Yanmorg I like how you describe it like a big container! I’m so grateful we actually have Saturn doing something in the composite. We have strong Saturn in synastry, also Uranus and Pluto.
That Saturn/asc conjunction in the composite conjuncts my natal moon exact (which conjuncts both our Saturns). So although we are on the early’ish stages of cementing something here I’m hoping this means I’m going to feel it’s a stable relationship.

Ive read that composite sat/asc can kill spontaneity in a rel. How is it for you guys??


Well considering me and my partner aren’t spontaneous to begin with, I would say definitely. Haha

Seriously.

My partner is Water, mostly earth with his natal Saturn opposite his mars and moon conjunction in Virgo.

I’m mostly water with a Libra moon and Saturn squares trines my Scorpio stellium.

We’re just very selective and reserved.

My Uranus trines his Venus almost exact and in composite Uranus trines our Sun, Moon, and mercury so things are never boring despite the responsibility.

C Uranus also squares our C mars and Jupiter too so boredom is never an issue whether we’re fighting or farting! Ha.

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posted November 15, 2018 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HieronymusTush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
I have this aspect currently, with my partner of almost two years.

We also have Uranus/ Neptune trine Sun/ Moon/ Mercury, square mars/ Jupiter.

We argue just like any couple, but we keep it between us.

We’re a very private couple for the most part.

Composite Saturn quincunxes Composite Moon too. family is VERY important to both of us although we’re still working out the kinks as far as boundaries go.

I believe C Saturn, on its own, is a very binding aspect to have in a relationship.

Based off what I’ve read and experienced, both people feel responsible to uphold and/ or maintain the relationship, in the eyes of the public.

Composite Saturn conjunct ASC feels like a big container surrounding us as a couple.

We also have C Moon in the 8H so this might explain that feeling too.


Thank you for this Yanmorg. Any other experiences?

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posted November 19, 2018 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 29, 2019 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HieronymusTush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Stephen Arroyo mentions that this is an incredibly binding aspect which can go either way.

Although I've read considerably on it, I'm not sure I fully grasp the sensilibities of the composite ascendant. The way I gather, it is how the couple appears to the world, and their main operative functions as a unit. I guess I'm always a little bit thrown off by how interior and exterior the ascendant is simultaneously. On one hand, the ascendant is how one is seen, but also, it is the methods one employs in order to be seen. So "life methods" used for outward expression are also governed by the ascendant. It's pretty fascinating.

So composite Saturn in close conjunction to the ascendant would add a layer of serious commitment and responsibility to the relationship - it would render the style and method of the relationship somehow crucial. Crucial to what though, to its outside manifestation? It would render its methods more serious and loaded? How?

Really curious as to what you all think on how the ascendant symbolism would fare with Saturn.

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posted April 29, 2019 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have this in my composite with my fiancee (3 degrees) it squares jupiter, trines moon, sextiles mars and mercury (mercury is libra mars is aquarius) and we've been together for 14 years so far

there's definitely a lot of commitment and seriousness there, and this need to really function as a team and find balance (our composite sun is conjunct venus in libra, too far from mercury to be conjunct) with each other and within the relationship

we don't have issues being spontaneous though (we also have uranus conjunct composite ascendant, looser degree but that one sextiles the sun and also trines the moon, squares jupiter...we both have natal uranus-jupiter)

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posted April 29, 2019 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have Saturn on Asc in our progressed composite. It really can feel heavy and a bit depressive at times, yet binding. I don't know what's keeping me... I think it's like a sense of comfort.

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posted April 29, 2019 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HieronymusTush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i have this in my composite with my fiancee (3 degrees) it squares jupiter, trines moon, sextiles mars and mercury (mercury is libra mars is aquarius) and we've been together for 14 years so far

there's definitely a lot of commitment and seriousness there, and this need to really function as a team and find balance (our composite sun is conjunct venus in libra, too far from mercury to be conjunct) with each other and within the relationship

we don't have issues being spontaneous though (we also have uranus conjunct composite ascendant, looser degree but that one sextiles the sun and also trines the moon, squares jupiter...we both have natal uranus-jupiter)


I see! Dumuzi, Hikaru, then there's the issue of whether Saturn is in the 12th house or the 1st house? How do you think it would differ?


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posted April 29, 2019 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I see! Dumuzi, Hikaru, then there's the issue of whether Saturn is in the 12th house or the 1st house? How do you think it would differ?


it's 12th in my composite with her, uranus is 1st house

i think a lot of the deep binding feeling for us can be very undefined and just felt as something neither of us really gets because when we drive each other crazy we can really drive each other crazy and we've been through a lot of ups and downs both in life outside of our control and then just within our relationship

lot of growing together though lot learning and lessons because we both came from abusive families and have been there for each other in ways no one else ever has for either of us

so it's been very binding and sometimes it can feel like a lot because there's this very all or nothing thing to it, but we actually can still feel passion for each other she'll still tell me she feels like she's in love with me and i can say the same and over the years our intimacy has only increased and there's something very deep there

i'm not sure if in the 1st it would be more real world heavy rather than spiritually, or if the seriousness and heavy tones would be more surface for other people to see or not but the 12th/1st house thing could be as simple as that

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posted April 29, 2019 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HieronymusTush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
it's 12th in my composite with her, uranus is 1st house

i think a lot of the deep binding feeling for us can be very undefined and just felt as something neither of us really gets because when we drive each other crazy we can really drive each other crazy and we've been through a lot of ups and downs both in life outside of our control and then just within our relationship

lot of growing together though lot learning and lessons because we both came from abusive families and have been there for each other in ways no one else ever has for either of us

so it's been very binding and sometimes it can feel like a lot because there's this very all or nothing thing to it, but we actually can still feel passion for each other she'll still tell me she feels like she's in love with me and i can say the same and over the years our intimacy has only increased and there's something very deep there

i'm not sure if in the 1st it would be more real world heavy rather than spiritually, or if the seriousness and heavy tones would be more surface for other people to see or not but the 12th/1st house thing could be as simple as that



Huh! It's the exact same with our composite with my significant other - 12th house saturn, 1st house uranus, both conjunct the asc, uranus with a larger orb.

What I read about Saturn in 12th is that things tend to simmer below, creating a heavy atmosphere and I can definitely attest to it. Sometimes when I feel troubled by our disagreements it feels like I'm a child and I just realized I forgot to do my homework. Then I mentally "snap my fingers" and realize I have not missed any responsibilities at all, that there are no "tasks" at hand to be completed. It's just a feeling of unclear, nebulous responsibility closing in on you. Like you and your relationship, our pasts and 12th house matters (we've actually known each other since we were children) have been absolutely unearthed by this relationship. With regards to composite saturn & asc, I had not realized this until you mentioned your respective upbringing with your partner, and how you stood together in the face of your past and supported one another, we have the exact same situation. Our respective families are polar opposites and it seems that we have been wounded by our upbringing in different manners. His family is quite loving and freedom-oriented and it seems this may have fortified some of his anti-status quo tendencies to a detriment. On the other hand, I was brought up by a strict (albeit very loving) family who were completely consumed by tradition, customs and how they are perceived in the world. This in turn really suffocated me growing up. Long story short, I think our relationship continually nudges these pressure points, reminding us of where it hurts and helps us heal these past wounds or even be aware of them. Sometimes it gets very heavy and uncomfortable. What structure is and when it is good is a continual discussion and negotiation between us. So perhaps this is one facet of what Saturn in the 12th when it's conjunct the ascendant does. It's your past issues and familial traumas being unearthed, and becoming "apparent". When we manage to work through it, it automatically turns into a communal method. When we can't, it just weighs you down like a ton of warm bricks in the sun. It's really not pleasant.

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posted April 29, 2019 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@HieronymusTush

we've known each other for a long time too, we were friends for years (got really close from 14 on) before we got together (actually just wrote about that in the composite ascendant thread)

her and i both can't really handle arguing with each other it cuts us both deeper than when we've had issues with other people and sometimes even one of us having strong feelings can be really intense

if she's upset i get upset that she is and vice versa, just these really deep heavy emotions towards us (i can't relate to the homework thing lol i stopped doing homework in elementary school because i found it boring and didn't mind getting in trouble since that usually meant i got out of the classroom)

there's definitely heavy responsibility towards each other there i feel a strong need to be there for her and show her unconditional love and her and i have had a lot of ups and downs and a lot of us both getting to places where we've moved past our childhood issues has come through our relationship and being there for each other

we spent a huge chunk of the beginning of our relationship (i think we might've still been 18 maybe 19 when it really started) raising her siblings because her mother would go off with boyfriends and **** and just leave them with us after their father died for example so they were 11 or 12 and we did that til they were 18 and even afterwards due to the abuse from their mom and **** there was still always a lot

my own family was abusive but there were a lot of differences along with the similarities so we understood each other but also had some very hard and different problems and it really created this situation where we basically raised each other

and like you and your significant other when one of us fails to move past something or gets stuck that means we both are, and the only way to move past that is to both put in the effort to do better and be better

every break through we've had though has led to a deeper layer of intimacy and closeness between us though, there's always rewards for that

that's really interesting to see someone else's side of things with a similar aspect, your experience sounds so similar right down to knowing each other from a young age and with the family damage too

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1st house Saturn feels more in your face. We definitely know what our difficulties are. Sometimes we'll say let's just move on with our own lives but we never broke up successfully. I think this aspect also made us really care for each other's welfare..the pressure is also whether we're making them happy, etc.

My qn is does this aspect make 2 ppl more sticky the longer they're together? How does the Saturn glue feel like? We've only known each other for a year so maybe it's too early to assess.

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posted April 30, 2019 04:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HieronymusTush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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every break through we've had though has led to a deeper layer of intimacy and closeness between us though, there's always rewards for that

that's really interesting to see someone else's side of things with a similar aspect, your experience sounds so similar right down to knowing each other from a young age and with the family damage too


Likewise, it's been very interesting to hear your experience so thank you for sharing. Saturn is really heavy energy but I'm Cap ascendant with natal moon opposite Saturn so I think I'm used to it and somewhat like things feeling heavy & the idea of working towards something.

I would be interested to see the rest of your composite if you have already shared it somewhere on the forum...

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posted April 30, 2019 04:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HieronymusTush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
1st house Saturn feels more in your face. We definitely know what our difficulties are. Sometimes we'll say let's just move on with our own lives but we never broke up successfully. I think this aspect also made us really care for each other's welfare..the pressure is also whether we're making them happy, etc.

My qn is does this aspect make 2 ppl more sticky the longer they're together? How does the Saturn glue feel like? We've only known each other for a year so maybe it's too early to assess.


Hikaru I think I see what you mean by 1st house Saturn feeling more in your face. I once experienced this in a composite (7-year relationship) and although it wasn't conjunct the asc -so a bit off-topic here really-, but our responsibility and established status was very much seen. Everyone around us seemed to perceive us as a couple, first and foremost. Not sure that is the case with 12H Saturn relationship. It feels more like a secret, although heavier and deeper-reaching. It's like the sort of bond that is harder to describe in societal terms. Liz Greene explains natal Saturn in 12th in her book on Saturn like this, which I think is exactly how it feels:

"It is man's defense mechanism which is necessary for a long time while the unfolding consciousness needs defending; however, when Saturn is found in Pisces or in the twelfth house, the time has come for the scaffolding to be taken down for the inner structure is nearly complete, and stripping this away is initially like stripping off one's outer skin and exposing the raw and tender area beneath. "

About the stick factor... Everything I've read about this aspect says it glues two people together, whether it's good or bad. I try not to be too deterministic about aspects in this manner, though. I don't think there's any relationship in the world that guarantees togetherness & and that that's necessarily a good thing. This is rather obvious but I still like to remind myself And concerning the 12H Saturn conj ASC relationship I mentioned, as I said, we met in primary school, met again briefly in college, and fell in love in 2017. I knew how serious it was the moment we met again... I do think there is a palpable sense of responsibility here. I'm sure other aspects contribute to whatever deep feeling of bond this is, but the aspect itself is supposed to be quite binding.

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posted April 30, 2019 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ I don't mean a guarantee (lol).. I think the Saturn glue is more like you just can't not be bothered with the other person, especially when they're troubled.

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posted April 30, 2019 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HieronymusTush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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^ I don't mean a guarantee (lol).. I think the Saturn glue is more like you just can't not be bothered with the other person, especially when they're troubled.

Yes that is an excellent way of putting it! Saturn = can't not be bothered

I will remember this. Thanks

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posted May 02, 2019 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Likewise, it's been very interesting to hear your experience so thank you for sharing. Saturn is really heavy energy but I'm Cap ascendant with natal moon opposite Saturn so I think I'm used to it and somewhat like things feeling heavy & the idea of working towards something.

I would be interested to see the rest of your composite if you have already shared it somewhere on the forum...


i have sun-square saturn natal and a cap mars, she has saturn conjunct sun as far as personal planets and saturn go

i don't share the composite, i don't care for astrologers examining my relationship lol but i don't mind discussing **** about it

@Hikaru29

i don"t know if i'd say things were more sticky than they were i think they always have been

when she first asked me out i turned her down because i knew it'd be deeply serious, and when i asked her out later when i realized i was being stupid i knew what i was doing would be binding

years later it still is

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