posted October 16, 2018 07:12 PM            

Here's our charts (I'm the inner ring - I've removed her houses as I don't have her exact time of birth):

I'm only really starting out interpreting charts myself, but what struck me was the following:

The Good: her Mars is in my 7th house and her Venus is in my 8th

The Bad: Her Moon's in Libra, mine's in Virgo. In addition, my Sun's in Capricorn, hers is in Aries. That suggests we might not connect well on an emotional level.

The Ugly: that Pluto-Moon conjunction - I'm concerned such an intense link combined with the emotional conflicts suggested above might lead to a toxic situation.

Despite feeling like I'm being exposed to kryptonite every time she's just *there*, we've got a great working relationship: we banter, tease each other and (so far) enjoy each other's company. I'm increasingly getting the impression she feels something for me too, but it could be as simple as she thinks I'm cute and enjoys the flirting but wouldn't want anything more.

Unfortunately, she works across the country (UK) so only pops into our office every other month. The next time I see her will be our Christmas party which coincides with a New Moon in my fifth house conjunct my natal Mars. That sounds hot, however her chart doesn't appear to show anything equivalent - so maybe nothing will happen after all?

In summary, I guess I'm asking:

1. Is our synastry as toxic as I fear it might be?

2. Can anyone offer any insight as to what may or may not be going on at the December New Moon?

posted October 16, 2018 09:50 PM            

Your synastry is actually not all that great, that’s not much going on tbh.
So I bet the composite is extra special

posted October 17, 2018 04:47 AM            

I think that's what I feared - Pluto/Moon creating an infatuation but with very little else to support it. Here's the composite:

posted October 17, 2018 11:11 AM            

Synastry:

Composite (ignore houses):

posted October 17, 2018 04:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Capguy75:
In light of your analysis, I guess another - perhaps more pertinent - question might be:

Is there anything in my natal chart that might explain why I feel so affected by a person who has so little synastry with me? 😁

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posted October 18, 2018 05:57 AM            

Pluto is not aspecting the Saturn/Chiron. Or into the Venus/Mercury Saturn.

If you don't know her TOB her Moon is likely not on your Pluto.

What you do have is pretty strong to wake you up (and maybe her too).

I believe that Sun conjunct your Chiron will be a deep, heartfelt and primal feeling. Along with the Pluto conjunct Moon - they are both deep/intense and heart and soul felt. And obviously because they are close aspects. But, this is barring the Moon because of TOB.

And too - your Saturn is in close conjunct her Chiron. This may bring out the (male) "supporter" to her (female) "vulnerable" side.

Both the Sun and Saturn are strong masculine "guiding" roles for Chiron. So those Chirons are a bit of a DW of rapport, support, and sympathies between you too.

And also, again with that supporter role, her Saturn is on your Venus. Again, there's this theme of "I've got your back" vibe.

Will it go anywhere? I think there's enough tense and easy aspects to travel. But, how far when her Mars and Mercury is not aspected is a relevant question. She may not have THAT type of drive for you.

posted October 18, 2018 08:16 AM            

I know it’s a long shot and very unlikely, but if it turned out my Mars was on her DSC would that help any?

posted October 18, 2018 08:20 AM            

Her Mars and Mercury are not aspected. These planets are important (even though they all are). I'd be taking it slow, and be careful because she may just see you as a friend with this, honestly.

If you play it cool you may win her for a while, because she may take steps because of what IS there (Venus trine Uranus is an attractor too). But, before long, her psyche will notice that these planets are not aspected and she may retract quickly or eventually.

posted October 18, 2018 07:05 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
I don't see the grand cross?

Pluto is not aspecting the Saturn/Chiron. Or into the Venus/Mercury Saturn.

If you don't know her TOB her Moon is likely not on your Pluto.

What you do have is pretty strong to wake you up (and maybe her too).

I believe that Sun conjunct your Chiron will be a deep, heartfelt and primal feeling. Along with the Pluto conjunct Moon - they are both deep/intense and heart and soul felt. And obviously because they are close aspects. But, this is barring the Moon because of TOB.

And too - your Saturn is in close conjunct her Chiron. This may bring out the (male) "supporter" to her (female) "vulnerable" side.

Both the Sun and Saturn are strong masculine "guiding" roles for Chiron. So those Chirons are a bit of a DW of rapport, support, and sympathies between you too.

And also, again with that supporter role, her Saturn is on your Venus. Again, there's this theme of "I've got your back" vibe.

Will it go anywhere? I think there's enough tense and easy aspects to travel. But, how far when her Mars and Mercury is not aspected is a relevant question. She may not have THAT type of drive for you.

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posted October 18, 2018 07:45 PM            

Second - You're talking about attraction. I'm incorporating the long term rapport. The latter provides greater assistance for the op, which is what I take the time and effort to provide.

Regarding aspects - if someone doesn't put the grid up, it's up to them to learn at some time, that it's necessary to do so. It's been said many times. People need to learn for themselves also. I already told the op to post the charts, because his post was being ignored otherwise. It would be unwise for me to expend all my energy spoon feeding each and every poster. There are many posts to respond to, and from where I can spend my time learning from also.

Speculating on TOB - why would you waste your or the ops time? You say - "but I can almost guarantee her moon is sitting closer towards his IC " How can you "guarantee" this please? AND, that you're "willing to bet her moon is further into libra,"- umm.. yeah.. What a dumb thing to say.

Equally to you speculating on her houses when there are no TOB. What? It's better to work with what is there, and avoiding running the risk of confusing or misleading the op or anyone else reading and learning from the post. That's just being ethical.

Finally - the aspect to Mercury DOES count and matter. Regardless of elemental sympathies.

posted October 18, 2018 09:19 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
I've been doing charts and astrology for 25 years. In particular: synastry.

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posted October 18, 2018 09:36 PM            

I really hope you can eventually get her birthtime!

posted October 18, 2018 09:54 PM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Wow so 25 years and you didn’t know what a R was a few weeks ago and still don’t know how to calculate aspects or patterns without it being blatantly shown with the chart up? 👍 for your sake, I really hope you’re lying...
like you just said her mars and mercury aren’t aspected, when just a quick look at the table clearly proves that’s false...

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Some nasty business there. Please be on your way and don't address me again.

posted October 19, 2018 01:02 AM            

Looking at the planet degrees - I am in agreement that her Mercury DOES aspect into your Sun (5 degrees). Jupiter too, but wider again, but enough in my opinion. This is good news.

Ditto for her Mars: it is semi-sextile your Mercury.

All making this synastry a bit better.

Unfortunately, the lines don't come up beyond a certain orb and there's not always enough time to go through the aspects. So it was indeed missed.

posted November 19, 2018 07:23 PM            

It also reveals, I think, what is probably the "smoking gun". I'm not able to post a chart up right now (will do so later) however it looks like her Ascendent is conjunct my Moon in Virgo. Looked it up on Cafe Astrology and it said this...

"You may be so much at ease in each others company that you reveal personal information naturally, surprising both of you. Something about the other person makes you feel safe enough to allow this. Emotions arise readily but may not always be comfortable and easy to deal with. In the moment, you may feel free to tell all but after the fact, you may be concerned about what you've so readily expressed... You will find yourselves sorting through a great deal of sensitive feelings and the sheer flood of emotions can be overwhelming at times."

... which pretty much nails my experience of being around her since Day 1. We both splurged stuff you kind of only share with close friends pretty much immediately only to think "uh... what just happened there..." soon after.

I'm guessing I'll need an exact time to be sure of her houses, however a ballpark of 6pm doesn't show anything to get excited about. My Sun, Mercury and Venus are in her 4th house. My Mars is in her 3rd. But that appears to tie in to the ASC/Moon conjunction too, right? Again, from Cafe Astrology:

"One potential problem with this combination, however, can come later in the relationship. While the Moon sign pretty much describes how a person is at their emotional core, the Ascendant sign describes how a person appears to be – their mask or armor... If there are considerable difficulties or imbalances in this couple’s synastry, the Ascendant-Moon sign connection can mask this for some time, drawing one another in. The Moon person feels that they are with a kindred soul, but if the Ascendant person’s Ascendant sign is a true mask and is in fact quite different on the inside, it can be difficult for the Moon person to see this fact for some time."

posted November 19, 2018 07:33 PM            

I can't keep up. Would be better to see charts. If your Moon is conjunct Pluto thouhhh...

posted November 19, 2018 08:42 PM            

Thanks for the update

posted November 19, 2018 09:20 PM            

Your Uranus is trine her Venus so likely she strikes you as highly attractive. Additionally so because Uranus is the ruler of your 7H, AND her (low aspected) Mars in in your 7H.

Further, the ruler of your Asc(Sun) and her Des(Nep) are conjunct, and this is an attractive force too.

I'd be watching out for the Chiron and Saturn themes:
her Saturn on your Venus, and yours close by her Chiron, and opposite her outers.
One of those outers again, being Neptune the ruler of her 7H (which just makes it a more significant planet for her).
Your Saturn too is square her Sun on your Chiron (yowch).
And.. square her Moon on your IC. To which your Sun also squares.

Doesn't look like her Mars is very well aspected. And not enough NN contacts for both imo.

The longevity will then come from the Saturn contacts then, and the desire for both to see it through. Rather than the nodes. But, because they are quite harsh aspects, and at very sensitive points, it may wear you both down overall. And, without the node contacts you'll be wondering if you are both "meant to be" anyhow. This will be a nagging undertow that will undermine the certainty of the union.

There is attraction and sympathies. But there's a bit of friction too, and pain with Chiron and the IC contacts. How long will it last? I love to speculate.. say, without the node contacts, and how committed (all those Saturn contacts), young and eagar you both are - 1.5 - 2 years at most?