posted November 17, 2018 07:13 AM            

I've known enough people (unfortunately) to form an opinion about this aspect. One of them is my mom.
Being angry/****** off all the time and nagging so much about anything. This aspect is one of the worst aspect for people who live with the native. However you have to live with them otherwise it may not be aparent. In my mom's case she has a Pisces Mercury so to others she appears as calm, sweet and very silent. If only they knew.

Which leads me to

Mercury conjuct/opposite/square Neptune

Liars, they may not do it on purpose but best case is they tell many white lies.
Bad memory (you have no idea how this may drive you crazy even though it seems so harmless) They say things they forget and then they say "nooo, I've never said that".
A foggy/confused mind.
Changing easily opinions/way of thinking/communicating style/habits/taste depending on their environment (meaning people they hang out etc).
I can tell that they met a new person and some habits/opinion that person has just by looking at the native and I'm not even observant. And they are shocked that I can guess immediately but they don't realise it how much they change. For example an aunt of mine when she met a guy she liked she started eating with one of her feet on the chair which she never did before. Her mother asked her why she was eating with her leg like that and she responded that is what she ate like her whole life. I told her that it should be her new boyfriend eating like that so she does it too like she always does.
She insisted that she was eating like that before even though it was stupid because me, her mother, father and sister were all agreeing that she didn't do it not even once before and we've ate with her million times.
That is a simple unimportant example but imagine doing this all the time with anything.
It feels like they are a coppy which personally bothers me a lot.
I've known people with Neptune-Moon, Neptune-Sun, Neptune on 7th H and Neptune-Venus.
(I don't know many with Neptune-Mars to have an opinion) but this happens with Mercury-Neptune and ASC conjuct Neptune (or Mercury/ASC in Pisces).
It bothers me personally because I have some Uranus and Pluto going on and I like original people who don't change depending on the people they hang out. I've also realised that they kind if do it on purpose some time, observing others and try to adopt silly things like movements/phrases/way of speaking etc.

Now something they all have in common (most I know with this aspect are women) is that they have bad judgement especially when it comes to men, they are kind of afraid or they lie for no reason to them. They make themselves appear different than what they are in reality intentionally or not. They have problem communicating with them and they tend to choose guys that they have bad synastry Mercury aspects with. They believe those guys WAAAAAAAAYYY too easily.. They trust men so easily even though it's more than obvious that they shouldn't..
My mom and my aunt have just that Mercury-Neptune hard aspects, no other Neptune aspect or Pisces in their chart (wrll my mom has also Mercury in Pusces but my aunt has Mercury in Libra which is weird since libra is an air sign but it feels like her Mercury has all Piscean traits).

Jupiter/Mars/Venus/Neptune in 5th H
I imagine those people like casual sex just for fun unless the planet isnafflicted by Saturn/Pluto or they have Saturn in 5th or 8th H.

I don't agree about Uranus hard aspects though, they won't cheat in a sneaky way if Neptune is not involved. They will say that thwy want an open relationship or too much freedom which is misunderstood. Others think that they want freedom in order to flirt with others but it is bot the case (I have Neptune and Uranus on my DSC both opposite Sun in my 12th H). I was loyal even to the far from real relationships I had (all platonic ones).
So Uranus may not be stable or make you feel lonely/not safe but I wouldn't worry about it being sneaky.

Venus and especially Mars in hard aspect to Neptune

Mars in hard aspect to Neptune without the help of Saturn must be the worst ever.. It's a drug addict aspect and prople on drugs have sex with anyone which is why it's a risky aspect for stds. However the person may not be a drug addict but just a sex addict. Wants to spread as much love as he cans lol.
Mars is the action planet, action without thinking specifically.. So Mars does whatever Neptune wants.

I like people with heavy Scorpio/Pluto (they are passionate and when they want something they want it 200% and they are concentrated on it) also I like heavy Saturn/Capricorn people (they are responsible, serious and have a daddy vibe that drives me crazy).

However when it comes to synastry aspects it is the opposite since my worst synastry aspects are

posted November 17, 2018 09:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
[b]Moon conjuct/opposite/square Mars

I've known enough people (unfortunately) to form an opinion about this aspect. One of them is my mom.
Being angry/****** off all the time and nagging so much about anything. This aspect is one of the worst aspect for people who live with the native. However you have to live with them otherwise it may not be aparent. In my mom's case she has a Pisces Mercury so to others she appears as calm, sweet and very silent. If only they knew.

Which leads me to

Mercury conjuct/opposite/square Neptune

Liars, they may not do it on purpose but best case is they tell many white lies.
Bad memory (you have no idea how this may drive you crazy even though it seems so harmless) They say things they forget and then they say "nooo, I've never said that".
A foggy/confused mind.
Changing easily opinions/way of thinking/communicating style/habits/taste depending on their environment (meaning people they hang out etc).
I can tell that they met a new person and some habits/opinion that person has just by looking at the native and I'm not even observant. And they are shocked that I can guess immediately but they don't realise it how much they change. For example an aunt of mine when she met a guy she liked she started eating with one of her feet on the chair which she never did before. Her mother asked her why she was eating with her leg like that and she responded that is what she ate like her whole life. I told her that it should be her new boyfriend eating like that so she does it too like she always does.
She insisted that she was eating like that before even though it was stupid because me, her mother, father and sister were all agreeing that she didn't do it not even once before and we've ate with her million times.
That is a simple unimportant example but imagine doing this all the time with anything.
It feels like they are a coppy which personally bothers me a lot.
I've known people with Neptune-Moon, Neptune-Sun, Neptune on 7th H and Neptune-Venus.
(I don't know many with Neptune-Mars to have an opinion) but this happens with Mercury-Neptune and ASC conjuct Neptune (or Mercury/ASC in Pisces).
It bothers me personally because I have some Uranus and Pluto going on and I like original people who don't change depending on the people they hang out. I've also realised that they kind if do it on purpose some time, observing others and try to adopt silly things like movements/phrases/way of speaking etc.

Now something they all have in common (most I know with this aspect are women) is that they have bad judgement especially when it comes to men, they are kind of afraid or they lie for no reason to them. They make themselves appear different than what they are in reality intentionally or not. They have problem communicating with them and they tend to choose guys that they have bad synastry Mercury aspects with. They believe those guys WAAAAAAAAYYY too easily.. They trust men so easily even though it's more than obvious that they shouldn't..
My mom and my aunt have just that Mercury-Neptune hard aspects, no other Neptune aspect or Pisces in their chart (wrll my mom has also Mercury in Pusces but my aunt has Mercury in Libra which is weird since libra is an air sign but it feels like her Mercury has all Piscean traits).

Jupiter/Mars/Venus/Neptune in 5th H
I imagine those people like casual sex just for fun unless the planet isnafflicted by Saturn/Pluto or they have Saturn in 5th or 8th H.

I don't agree about Uranus hard aspects though, they won't cheat in a sneaky way if Neptune is not involved. They will say that thwy want an open relationship or too much freedom which is misunderstood. Others think that they want freedom in order to flirt with others but it is bot the case (I have Neptune and Uranus on my DSC both opposite Sun in my 12th H). I was loyal even to the far from real relationships I had (all platonic ones).
So Uranus may not be stable or make you feel lonely/not safe but I wouldn't worry about it being sneaky.

Venus and especially Mars in hard aspect to Neptune

Mars in hard aspect to Neptune without the help of Saturn must be the worst ever.. It's a drug addict aspect and prople on drugs have sex with anyone which is why it's a risky aspect for stds. However the person may not be a drug addict but just a sex addict. Wants to spread as much love as he cans lol.
Mars is the action planet, action without thinking specifically.. So Mars does whatever Neptune wants.

I like people with heavy Scorpio/Pluto (they are passionate and when they want something they want it 200% and they are concentrated on it) also I like heavy Saturn/Capricorn people (they are responsible, serious and have a daddy vibe that drives me crazy).

However when it comes to synastry aspects it is the opposite since my worst synastry aspects are

•Saturn-Moon hard aspects
•Saturn-Mars hard aspects
•Mercury-Moon/Mars/Neptune hard aspects
Mercury in 12th H (I don't attract this but the people I memtioned above with natal Mercury-Neptune hard aspects do and it is very problematic because no matter how they both may feel they can not understand and trust each other, Mercury is very important even though it is the least erotic-emotional planet).[/B]

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i have moon square mars, and most people think im the most laid back person they've ever met

am i more likely to get angry at people close to me? sure, but why wouldnt that be the case when they matter and people who arent close to me dont

when you care someone can affect you deeply, thats all i can really say about moon square mars as far as living with a person goes

in general regardless of aspects where you see a lot of someone's worst is when you live with them and are around them often and close etc

i can have a bad temper, but it's rare and i'm usually in a good mood (or at least neutral) and get over things quickly

i'm not the nagging type either, and ******* me off is very rare because im generally too apathetic to give a **** about most things

sorry about your mom, but yeah...nah

i would say my sensitivity to those close to me is heightened and so they can get me angry and hurt etc and i think the difference between that and how i feel towards people who im not very close to (the closer you are the more i care, the more you matter, the more power you have to hurt me whereas if i dont know you im generally apathetic and anything meant to hurt me coming from them will be inconsequential as a result... i have no reason to care, be hurt, upset, take any of it personally etc when there's no deeper bond) is very significant and i think that seems to be true with a lot of moon-mars squares which can create the sort of **** you're talking about at home depending on the person

im far from perfect, but what youre describing is pretty excessive

my fiancee does the stuff youre talking about with mercury square neptune, but her mercury doesnt aspect it at all (forgettting things and then saying "its always been like this" or "that didnt happen" while admitting to having a bad memory except if you tell her you remember something different then it's "perfect")

i have a 5th house jupiter in placidus, i like casual sex but i dont prefer it and ive never hooked up with anyone i wasnt at least drinking buddies with (most of the sex i have is within the confines of my relationship though)

people who use drugs dont have sex with just anyone btw, that's kind of a ****** statement for a lot of reasons

ive been addicted to heroin with offers of money or drugs in exchange for sex and dealt with withdrawal and **** instead

and im not an exception, i can say the same about other drug users and addicts

of course there's people who reflect what you said too, but a lot of drug users arent that

posted November 17, 2018 11:23 AM            

Changing opinions, forgetting promises, twisting things around, denying of ever having said something.. and being easily influenced by others. I observed this so often with my ex, it was maddening and made me question my own perception and memory, far too often.

posted November 17, 2018 02:27 PM            

When I wrote about Moon-Mars hard aspects I was thinking of you because I remember you have Aries Moon-Capricorn Mars but I don't recall if they are forming an aspect or not. Are they more than 3 orbs? In all cases I know orbs are almost exact (no more than 2) but they also do not have anything controling/softening their Moon (meaning Saturn or Neptune, Pluto might help the Moon gain control but it may work the other way round so I'm not sure) Do you happen to have any of these planets aspecting your Moon?

Cases I know:

Aries Moon-Cancer Mars
Aries Moon-Aries Mars
Aries Moon-Libra Mars
Aries Moon-Leo Mars
(because of the degrees they were forming a square instead of a trine)
Sag Moon-Gemini Mars
Aqua Moon-Taurus Mars
Aqua Moon-Scorpio Mars
Leo Moon- Scorpio Mars

I can tell 100% that the Aries Moon and Leo Moon are not aspected by Saturn/Neptune.
And these are the worst cases, the other ones seem a little bit better but I haven't known these people enough to form an opinion about them, I'm basing it more on what others tell me about that person.

What you say it's natural but you misunderstood what I said.
Nagging all the time and blaming the ones that live with you for every-little-******* -thing is not normal. She asked me smth and I answered, while I did she dropped a jar filled with honey and she got ****** off and she blamed me because I replied to her so it was my.fault that she dropped the jar. I mean she doesn't even make sense. People like her drive you crazy.
They are generally irritated and they want to do nothing in order to be calm.. No one wants to live with her for that reason.. even her parents are afraid to stay for a few days with her because they know her.
She is ****** off because she works, because she has to wake up, because she has to do normal daily stuff everyone has, because she simply exists..
They are irritated 90% of the time unless you serve them as a slave and the only thing they have to do is to breath and pee. It's no coincidence that no one can stand her.

I found the text below here:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fugitiveumbrellas.com/2018/09/28/21-worst-case-scenarios-in-your-partners-astrological-chart/amp/

Mars conjunct, opposite, or square Moon. Temper, temper! They will wish you away into the cornfield.  These people have difficulty controlling their emotions and taking responsibility for them. They may be emotionally immature and have problems with women, and they especially have problems with strong and confident women. They have difficulty nurturing others and lose their patience with children and those who depend on them. This is the kind of person who flushes their goldfish down the toilet because they hate cleaning the tank and the goldfish is grateful for it.

The page is very recent but it's been a maybe 3 or 4 years since I saw it and I remember of because of the goldfish example. So I guess it was reposted or something, I haooen to read the same interpretations in more than one sites.

About Neptune-Mars:
I don't have much experience with that aspect but I didn't say that drug addicts have sex with anyone, however it raises the possibillities of them having sex and doing crazier stuff than they normally do (that goes for everyone who is drunk or on drugs) since this aspect is known to make the native a drug/alcohol/sex addict that is why those people are prone to that.

In the very few cases I know those people are drug addicts and they indeed have sex with any woman that happens to want to have sex with them. They are actually completely lost/faded hence the stds because they can't even think of using protection at that point.

If I recall correctly in the other thread you told me before showing me your chart that you had lots of casual sex with other people maybe with more than one at the same time(?) while being in a relationship, which is wonderful since you both agree to it and it is not considered cheating, but I indeed suspected that you had Jupiter in 5th H because if what you told me.
I believe you don't prefer casual sex if you say so but what matters is that you still do it/enjoy it even if it's not what you prefer.

posted November 17, 2018 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by ana_bee:
@plutonian
You‘re so right about Mercury square Neptune!!
This is exactly what I have observed, only I didn’t make the connection to this aspect, until now!

Changing opinions, forgetting promises, twisting things around, denying of ever having said something.. and being easily influenced by others. I observed this so often with my ex, it was maddening and made me question my own perception and memory, far too often.

But what I noticed with him.. He was never lying, in the sense of consciously not telling the truth. But what he did was, he would omit crucial parts of information!! He wasn’t lying but deceiving.. which is equally bad, imo.
Communicating with him was always like putting a puzzle together. There was seldom direct conversation. Always pieces of information, one had to ferret out to make sense of it all.

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posted November 17, 2018 03:58 PM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Yes, I don’t like to see mars square/opposite Pluto under 3 degrees. Especially in men. This pretty much always shows someone with a VERY selfish nature, a bad/explosive/intense temper, always on the defensive and quick to react/attack back to any perceived slights (touchy ego),

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Interesting. I know someone with Mars conj Pluto who seems like this.

posted November 17, 2018 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Interesting. I know someone with Mars conj Pluto who seems like this.

Is this a normal reaction in general? Or is it meant to mainly be squares and oppositions?

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I have it
Venus, Mars, Jupiter in Leo square Pluto in Scorpio.
Not violent etc. Ibdon't know if I'm selfish I'm told the opposite actually. Practically since I don't ask and I just give I think I can not be considered selfish byt maybe the fact that I don't want to get married and have children is selfish by itself. I don't know.

posted November 17, 2018 04:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Heyy [b]Dumuzi! How are you doing?

When I wrote about Moon-Mars hard aspects I was thinking of you because I remember you have Aries Moon-Capricorn Mars but I don't recall if they are forming an aspect or not. Are they more than 3 orbs? In all cases I know orbs are almost exact (no more than 2) but they also do not have anything controling/softening their Moon (meaning Saturn or Neptune, Pluto might help the Moon gain control but it may work the other way round so I'm not sure) Do you happen to have any of these planets aspecting your Moon?

Cases I know:

Aries Moon-Cancer Mars
Aries Moon-Aries Mars
Aries Moon-Libra Mars
Aries Moon-Leo Mars
(because of the degrees they were forming a square instead of a trine)
Sag Moon-Gemini Mars
Aqua Moon-Taurus Mars
Aqua Moon-Scorpio Mars
Leo Moon- Scorpio Mars

I can tell 100% that the Aries Moon and Leo Moon are not aspected by Saturn/Neptune.
And these are the worst cases, the other ones seem a little bit better but I haven't known these people enough to form an opinion about them, I'm basing it more on what others tell me about that person.

What you say it's natural but you misunderstood what I said.
Nagging all the time and blaming the ones that live with you for every-little-******* -thing is not normal. She asked me smth and I answered, while I did she dropped a jar filled with honey and she got ****** off and she blamed me because I replied to her so it was my.fault that she dropped the jar. I mean she doesn't even make sense. People like her drive you crazy.
They are generally irritated and they want to do nothing in order to be calm.. No one wants to live with her for that reason.. even her parents are afraid to stay for a few days with her because they know her.
She is ****** off because she works, because she has to wake up, because she has to do normal daily stuff everyone has, because she simply exists..
They are irritated 90% of the time unless you serve them as a slave and the only thing they have to do is to breath and pee. It's no coincidence that no one can stand her.

I found the text below here:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fugitiveumbrellas.com/2018/09/28/21-worst-case-scenarios-in-your-partners-astrological-chart/amp/

Mars conjunct, opposite, or square Moon. Temper, temper! They will wish you away into the cornfield.  These people have difficulty controlling their emotions and taking responsibility for them. They may be emotionally immature and have problems with women, and they especially have problems with strong and confident women. They have difficulty nurturing others and lose their patience with children and those who depend on them. This is the kind of person who flushes their goldfish down the toilet because they hate cleaning the tank and the goldfish is grateful for it.

The page is very recent but it's been a maybe 3 or 4 years since I saw it and I remember of because of the goldfish example. So I guess it was reposted or something, I haooen to read the same interpretations in more than one sites.

About Neptune-Mars:
I don't have much experience with that aspect but I didn't say that drug addicts have sex with anyone, however it raises the possibillities of them having sex and doing crazier stuff than they normally do (that goes for everyone who is drunk or on drugs) since this aspect is known to make the native a drug/alcohol/sex addict that is why those people are prone to that.

In the very few cases I know those people are drug addicts and they indeed have sex with any woman that happens to want to have sex with them. They are actually completely lost/faded hence the stds because they can't even think of using protection at that point.

If I recall correctly in the other thread you told me before showing me your chart that you had lots of casual sex with other people maybe with more than one at the same time(?) while being in a relationship, which is wonderful since you both agree to it and it is not considered cheating, but I indeed suspected that you had Jupiter in 5th H because if what you told me.
I believe you don't prefer casual sex if you say so but what matters is that you still do it/enjoy it even if it's not what you prefer.

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well if i was healthy i'd be doing pretty good, everything else is nice (well except for a dream that just weirded me out, loaded in meaning and symbolism,intensely lucid, etc i have to sort through it)

i just wish i had one of those torture wheels for my spine, i bet 3 clicks would feel amazing

what about you?

theyre square at 5 degrees, my moon and mars

my moon is conjunct north node and descendant, trine uranus and mercury (theyre trine each other), sextile chiron, and opposite venus too

pretty sure that's all of the aspects it gets

it's part of a few of the formations in my chart (kite, tsquare, mystic rectangle)

the nagging isnt normal, no, but thats what i meant about the state of her other planets and so on

it does sound like she doesnt make sense, and is difficult (i could see why you have issues with her hearing a story like that)

i spend a lot of time meditating and doing things that are calming because i hate being wound up or angry

i also dont mind being served but i dont like that being one sided with no balance because then it feels wrong and i like doing things for people anyway

it doesnt upset me if there's some balance, when there isn't at all and it goes on for a while then i'll be unhappy for a bit until im over it which is usually quick

i do have difficulty controlling my emotions when i feel them, but i just drown all that away til they go away

as for kids and pets... kids love me im the one who takes care of our pets (and birds are higher maintanence when youre properly feeding and socializing them etc), and i can be extremely patient

im not sure how i'd feel if i was raising a kid, but since my niece was an infant id do **** like teach her music notes on her baby piano and how to strum a guitar, jump around with her, cook with her, plant things with her etc and ive never gotten annoyed with her

kids like me so it's not like they're hard to deal with

i'm really good with kids with behavioral issues in particular, because i generally find them entertaining and they cant get under my skin assuming i even notice an issue (i never notice add or adhd)

and i cook meals for my birds, near daily and when i dont theyre still getting a constant supply of fresh stuff so yeah... not the flush a goldfish down the toilet type either

the way you phrased the mars-neptune thing this time around is closer to accurate, ive definitely made regretable decisions while high as far as sex goes (that being said ive been lucky so far, trying to not keep being stupid)

lots of sex yeah, not really a lot of partners though

i've just done a lot with everyone i've had sex with and dont have a lot of boundaries

posted November 17, 2018 09:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Interesting. I know someone with Mars conj Pluto who seems like this.

Is this a normal reaction in general? Or is it meant to mainly be squares and oppositions?

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posted November 17, 2018 09:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
I have it
Venus, Mars, Jupiter in Leo square Pluto in Scorpio.
Not violent etc. Ibdon't know if I'm selfish I'm told the opposite actually. Practically since I don't ask and I just give I think I can not be considered selfish byt maybe the fact that I don't want to get married and have children is selfish by itself. I don't know.

Maybe Saturn in 8th H or Pisces Moon , Neptune and Uranus on DSC opposing my Cancer Sun in 12th H help it?

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Are you the one who commented on my post about mgk vs Eminem vs g easy beef before? Lol your name looks familiar idk.

posted November 17, 2018 10:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:

i would say my sensitivity to those close to me is heightened and so they can get me angry and hurt etc and i think the difference between that and how i feel towards people who im not very close to (the closer you are the more i care, the more you matter, the more power you have to hurt me whereas if i dont know you im generally apathetic and anything meant to hurt me coming from them will be inconsequential as a result... i have no reason to care, be hurt, upset, take any of it personally etc when there's no deeper bond) is very significant and i think that seems to be true with a lot of moon-mars squares which can create the sort of **** you're talking about at home depending on the person

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Dumuzi -

"the closer you are the more i care, the more you matter, the more power you have to hurt me"

"the more i care" - is it care? Or is it just triggered. Lol.

That's exactly the point with these aspects: the behavioural outcomes/symptoms are indeed the definition of these challenging aspects. Ie, that people who are close with the person touch on and highlight the disruptive flow that's the communication between the planets of the challenged aspects. It's triggering the anxiety of those tense aspects.

I guess that's what the expression "pushing someone's buttons" is all about. May as well change it to "pushing someones red-lines".

For the person with the aspect it's just normal. They often cannot see it, and also cannot be reasoned with. They may say things like - "yes but you did XYZ", or, "everyone lets me down" or "people cannot be trusted". And it's all completely justifiable for the person with the challenged aspect because it IS the perception that comes with those aspect. And too what they are living - because the challenged aspects brings an anxiety around those planet themes - it's real. But it makes no sense to another who has an easy aspect with the same planets, they don't have that tension so cannot relate.

It's justifiable by whatever reasoning the person's psyche has placed around it. Because they don't know what an easy aspect feels like, and also the easier life conditions that are also around them. There are a heap of complications around the planets with the challenged aspect. It can make it hard for other people to deal with them and those aspects they have.

I'm stating the obvious here I understand but I wanted to articulate it out loud. I'm also speaking from my own squares here that I've been watching very closely these last months. We've all got something.

posted November 18, 2018 04:24 AM            

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Moon conjuct/opposite/square Mars
I've known enough people (unfortunately) to form an opinion about this aspect. One of them is my mom.
Being angry/****** off all the time and nagging so much about anything. This aspect is one of the worst aspect for people who live with the native. However you have to live with them otherwise it may not be aparent. In my mom's case she has a Pisces Mercury so to others she appears as calm, sweet and very silent. If only they knew.

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I've this aspect. Admittedly I can be offended easily but the anger also passes as quickly as it comes. It takes maturity to manage the temper but no one has ever told me I'm difficult to live with as most of the time I just mind my own biz. I'm seeing someone with this aspect as well and based on descriptions, it sounds like clash of the titans but no, we manage our tempers quite well.

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Mercury conjuct/opposite/square Neptune
Liars, they may not do it on purpose but best case is they tell many white lies.
Bad memory (you have no idea how this may drive you crazy even though it seems so harmless) They say things they forget and then they say "nooo, I've never said that".
A foggy/confused mind.
Changing easily opinions/way of thinking/communicating style/habits/taste depending on their environment (meaning people they hang out etc).

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My guy has Neptune square Mercury and foggy memory is a fitting description. I don't think he intentionally lies. My friend also has this aspect and he isn't a liar either. Ana_bee described it best... talking to them is like fixing a jigsaw puzzle. They always let out bits of info instead of giving you the whole story at one go. I've Mercury in Taurus so this can be really frustrating to me as by nature I'm straight to the point and don't like to say more than necessary.

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Venus and especially Mars in hard aspect to Neptune
Mars in hard aspect to Neptune without the help of Saturn must be the worst ever.. It's a drug addict aspect and prople on drugs have sex with anyone which is why it's a risky aspect for stds. However the person may not be a drug addict but just a sex addict. Wants to spread as much love as he cans lol.
Mars is the action planet, action without thinking specifically.. So Mars does whatever Neptune wants.

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I've Venus opp Neptune and Mars square Neptune. Haha! Never tried drugs before and never will, not a alcoholic although I like to drink. Sex addict only with the one I really like (I don't sleep around) but this could be different if it's a guy's natal. *shrug*

I also have Saturn trine Mars, sextile Sun/Mercury so this could have stabilised my Neptunian hard aspects.

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I like people with heavy Scorpio/Pluto (they are passionate and when they want something they want it 200% and they are concentrated on it) also I like heavy Saturn/Capricorn people (they are responsible, serious and have a daddy vibe that drives me crazy).

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I also like strong Saturn energy. That seriousness is very sexy, I feel. I like Pluto but not too much.

posted November 18, 2018 06:32 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Dumuzi -

"the closer you are the more i care, the more you matter, the more power you have to hurt me"

"the more i care" - is it care? Or is it just triggered. Lol.

That's exactly the point with these aspects: the behavioural outcomes/symptoms are indeed the definition of these challenging aspects. Ie, that people who are close with the person touch on and highlight the disruptive flow that's the communication between the planets of the challenged aspects. It's triggering the anxiety of those tense aspects.

I guess that's what the expression "pushing someone's buttons" is all about. May as well change it to "pushing someones red-lines".

For the person with the aspect it's just normal. They often cannot see it, and also cannot be reasoned with. They may say things like - "yes but you did XYZ", or, "everyone lets me down" or "people cannot be trusted". And it's all completely justifiable for the person with the challenged aspect because it IS the perception that comes with those aspect. And too what they are living - because the challenged aspects brings an anxiety around those planet themes - it's real. But it makes no sense to another who has an easy aspect with the same planets, they don't have that tension so cannot relate.

It's justifiable by whatever reasoning the person's psyche has placed around it. Because they don't know what an easy aspect feels like, and also the easier life conditions that are also around them. There are a heap of complications around the planets with the challenged aspect. It can make it hard for other people to deal with them and those aspects they have.

I'm stating the obvious here I understand but I wanted to articulate it out loud. I'm also speaking from my own squares here that I've been watching very closely these last months. We've all got something.

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no i meant it the way i said it, people who are close can hurt you more than those who cant

what they think and feel matters to me, so if there's an issue i'll be more sensitive to that

so if im close to you, you can get me mad, if i'm not it just wont happen

someone i dont know or care about can say or do something and it just isnt going to register because they dont matter to me

it's funny that you say that though, because i dont like to do the "well you did this" **** if it isnt valid to whats going on immediately

as for people not being there for me, i know who is and who isnt, i wouldnt say everyone let's me down as some general thing

i mean anyone will let you down at some point just because thats life, but i dont sit around thinking about it and i look at it like it just being a matter of everyone is responsible more for themselves than anything myself included

i dont tend to expect anything from anyone, and im aware that people can only give what theyre capable of and it isnt fair to project any sentiments on it that arent there etc

im not all that volatile, but i can have a bad temper, it's hard to get me there though and it takes a lot and it takes a long time and theres always multiple reasons

and by that i mean that people always tell me i understand them better than anyone and know how to calm them down etc and the flipside is it comes from the same place as me knowing where to hurt them does

thats what it is with me

my moon and venus are both part of a kite with uranus and mercury and a mystic rectangle with chiron and uranus attached to my nodes and ascendant/descendant

i can be very detached from my own feelings, as a result it's very easy for me to not care about them because i know they'll pass and i prefer things to just be peaceful because it's easier and i don't like putting effort into things that are ultimately unnecessary

and i get over things quickly, dont notice a lot

anyone close to me jokes about me having my own planet

my fiancee is far more likely to start a fight than i am, and over things that dont matter

if ive heard about how i left something somewhere she didnt like for 20 minutes long after it's been moved because it needs to be a lecture somehow about the past 10 years and everything ive ever left around then yeah there will be about 5 minutes where im just done with it and will tell her to chill and argue with her when she doesnt and then insists thats worth a 20 minute lecture etc

but i think most people stuck in that situation wouldnt really want to deal with that

thats no exaggeration either, 20 minutes, i've clock watched

anyway not every aspect manifests the same exact way for everyone you have to look at the entire chart

theres times where im at fault of course i wont deny that i can be annoying to deal with, but that's everyone

for the most part i'd rather just be high playing guitar or something than dealing with things i find unpleasant so im not going to be ****** off

if someone tends to grate on me i'll just avoid them for the most part and keep **** light and pleasant when i have to be near them, even if im in the same house with someone they wont necessarily even see me even if im coming and going etc if i cant be around them

im around my fiancee more than anyone really, and when im around people i know i have issues with i just tell a lot of jokes and **** around and never really because i know who will annoy me otherwise

a woman i was with once yelled at me for being too calm when she called to yell at me, i dont even remember what it was about the conversation just started with "you ******* " (it couldve been anything really, she was one of those people who would send me like 30 texts of her fighting with herself if i left my phone at home and went to the store or something... couldve been my fault too, no idea) and then she said a lot of **** in this high pitched voice i wasnt in the mood to listen to because i wasnt angry and didnt know why she was

anyway i dont remember what i said, but then she started screaming at me for being calm and hung up

her and i were close

i tend to meet volatile women, or women who turn out that way werent initially then tell me it's all my fault

i'm not sure what i do but i assume it must be me if they all say it

posted November 18, 2018 06:53 AM            

I wasn't talking about you specifically. Just grabbing an illustration of hangups to demonstrate how some difficult aspects can manifest. And the lens through which the aspects conditions a person's view and interaction with the world.

posted November 18, 2018 07:03 AM            

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usually the people who live with me like living with me too because i either leave them alone or want to have a good time

i did have a roommate situation go bad but only after turning down an advance, my fiancee and i were living with a couple and one of them suggested dating us if they didnt work out privately when we didnt say anything she got mad went out somewhere and stayed all night and the next day she came home and her bf told us we were the worst people ever to her and we needed to leave etc

and another where the guy wanted us to stay longterm until he hit on my fiancee in the kitchen and she turned him down and then he wanted us gone

i guess when i was on heroin i was really ****** to live with at points but mostly im more like you and handle things the way you describe

posted November 18, 2018 07:09 AM            

I wish I could help you with dreams but I am so bad at this, you're way better.
I indeed feel you are not nagging/aggressive as this aspect indicate but the aspects you mentioned do not help.. Uranus even though it's a trine could make it worse actually and Benus which is strong is definately helpful but not enough to calm this double Aries energy.
5 orbs is not that tight but it's not loose either. Since we are talking about Moon it's actually medium strenth.
Do you mind posting your birth info?
I want to see your declinations, I was really hoping you had Saturn or Neptune on your Moon especially because of the Aries vibes I don't get from you.
My mom also says shenlives children, she is crazy aboit them as she is for everyone who is far.. It doesn't last much as soon as they get close and she has to take care of them even once. As her kid I can tell she sucked as a mom. I wouldn't be better (well I would be but still not good enough) and I am not a patient person myself but I won't have children since I can not take care of them (well I don't want to have children anyway even if I was good at taking care of others, I am offended when others tell me I would be a good mom because of how I take care of my cousins and some other babies) but still she says that she loves children the problem is she can't take care of anyone.

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Are you the one who commented on my post about mgk vs Eminem vs g easy beef before? Lol your name looks familiar idk.

What are the orbs btw?

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Heheh yes I did comment on that thread once.

• Pluto square Jupiter 3 orbs
• Pluto square Mars 4 orbs
• Pluto square Venus 6 orbs

And the one I relate to is the Pluto square Venus which is loose lol. Maybe because Pluto is in my 5th H.
I wish I could relate to Pluto Mars because of the energy it is supposed to give but I don't.. Maybe Neptune makes it weak in my case because I feel dead all the time like I have Mars in Pisces conjuct Neptune lol

posted November 18, 2018 07:13 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
"it's funny that you say that though, because i dont like to do the "well you did this" **** if it isnt valid to whats going on immediately as for people not being there for me, i know who is and who isnt, i wouldnt say everyone let's me down as some general thing"

I wasn't talking about you specifically. Just grabbing an illustration of hangups to demonstrate how some difficult aspects can manifest. And the lens through which the aspects conditions a person's view and interaction with the world.

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fair enough, it's just that your specific example was similar to another someone else brought up so i assumed that was just common with the placement and how youve experienced it

you can't judge a person by a single aspect, because one aspect can have multiple meanings and those only become clear with a whole chart

moon square mars doesnt play out only one way, nothing does, and none of it will be exactly the same in every individual chart

it's like taking a drug, you might not feel every possible effect or experience the high the same way another person would since biology is part of how you as an individual react to certain substances

which is why research and experience can be 2 very different things

posted November 18, 2018 07:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Dumuzi

I wish I could help you with dreams but I am so bad at this, you're way better.
I indeed feel you are not nagging/aggressive as this aspect indicate but the aspects you mentioned do not help.. Uranus even though it's a trine could make it worse actually and Benus which is strong is definately helpful but not enough to calm this double Aries energy.
5 orbs is not that tight but it's not loose either. Since we are talking about Moon it's actually medium strenth.
Do you mind posting your birth info?
I want to see your declinations, I was really hoping you had Saturn or Neptune on your Moon especially because of the Aries vibes I don't get from you.
My mom also says shenlives children, she is crazy aboit them as she is for everyone who is far.. It doesn't last much as soon as they get close and she has to take care of them even once. As her kid I can tell she sucked as a mom. I wouldn't be better (well I would be but still not good enough) and I am not a patient person myself but I won't have children since I can not take care of them (well I don't want to have children anyway even if I was good at taking care of others, I am offended when others tell me I would be a good mom because of how I take care of my cousins and some other babies) but still she says that she loves children the problem is she can't take care of anyone.

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i did a few readings on it, a few friends did too, same result

not sure how i feel about it but i guess i'll find out

im easy to get along with just dont move things without telling me youve moved them if theyre mine or stand too close to me if im washing dishes (no idea why that makes me so anxious, but it sets me on edge really bad and i tell everyone that)

i can be irritable on days where i have seizures but then i say "im probably going to have a seizure today because everything is depressing so im sorry if im dick" and then i try to avoid and keep things light beforehand because im aware of my situation

that's the thing though im more likely to experience depression than anger anyway

not that that's fun to deal with either, it isnt, but thats more likely from me

august 23rd 1986 brooklyn (kings county) ny 10:23 am, dont live there anymore anyway

i dont have kids and i figure thats probably for the best because i dont think i'd make a good parent and i think that's too important of a thing to **** up

what i like about my niece is that i can hand her back over to my brother and not be responsible for her

it just seems like too much pressure and responsibility really and im not about that

posted November 18, 2018 07:38 AM            

Others won't tell you anyway, no one tells my mom except of me and sometimes my dad, they don't want to get to a fight with someone who doesn't kniw how to have a conversation like a civilized person. They live with her for short periods of time so why would yhey get into trouble.. Btw she is adorable when you are far from her lol.

Do you happen to have Saturn or Neptune on youe Moon or even Mars? It may depend on the signs.. the worst ones are the ones with the Aries Moon in hard aspect with Mars.. Which makes sence since we are talking about Aries overdose on the poor Moon.

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My guy has Neptune square Mercury and foggy memory is a fitting description. I don't think he intentionally lies. My friend also has this aspect and he isn't a liar either. Ana_bee described it best... talking to them is like fixing a jigsaw puzzle. They always let out bits of info instead of giving you the whole story at one go. I've Mercury in Taurus so this can be really frustrating to me as by nature I'm straight to the point and don't like to say more than necessary.

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Plus the change depending on their environment is real in all cases and it's intense..

Plus their bad memory.
I don't find they are talking too much they say all the unimportant things, they are a bit slow but not like they tire me in a way Gemini Mercury in conjuctionwith Jupiter would if you know what I mean.

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I've Venus opp Neptune and Mars square Neptune. Haha! Never tried drugs before and never will, not a alcoholic although I like to drink. Sex addict only with the one I really like (I don't sleep around) but this could be different if it's a guy's natal. *shrug*

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I can't say much about this aspect. I know only 3 women with it and more men.
I should have already mentioned it myself that in case of Mars it matters if it's a guy's chart or not. Any of the 3 gurls I know don't have drug/drinking problems but all the men do and it is quite bad actually.
So I do think it plays a huge role in a guy's chart maybe because Mars is masculine energy.

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I also have Saturn trine Mars, sextile Sun/Mercury so this could have stabilised my Neptunian hard aspects.

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I also like strong Saturn energy. That seriousness is very sexy, I feel.  I like Pluto but not too much.

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I don't know about your planets and angles but in my case it's weird that I like Saturnian people (except of the Moon which I would like it in water signs especially late Scorpio degrees) but I have DSC in Capricorn with Uranus and Neptune right on it opposing my Sun.. Plus Leo Venus, Mars and Jup and Cancer Sun, Mercury and ASC.. All the ones I've like have Capricorn Venus conjuct Saturn and the last one has even Mars in Capricorn.
However I hate Saturnnhard aspects in synastry they act like obstaclrs and are not binding especially Saturn-Mars and Saturn-Moon

posted November 18, 2018 08:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
im easy to get along with just dont move things without telling me youve moved them if theyre mine or stand too close to me if im washing dishes (no idea why that makes me so anxious, but it sets me on edge really bad and i tell everyone that)

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hahahah that was so adorable
Honestly though what you mention is normal to me. Who would like it if their things got moved without them being asked or at least informed about it.
I'm more weird than you..
What I'm talking about though is completely crazy actually. My mom (and it seems like she is the only one I know with this aspect but I am unfortunate enough to know others too and they are all relatives mostly) They can not control their anger and they are nagging about them ehaving to breath, no one wants to be close to them because the ones close to them see just their bad side.. when you are far they are very sweet people lol.. Maybe because the Moon except of our emotions and mother it also shows how someone is in his house.

In your case I didn't find any declinations involving the Moon except of the NN, but I saw that your Mercury is exactly trining your Moon I personally find it very helpful especially for an Aries Moon because they tend to talk without thinking but your Mercury (brain) helps the Moon. The Venus opposition is also very close and it's strong in Libra which is tour ASC too, same goes for your Cap Mars which is strong but earthy too.
Now Uranus I don't think it really helps in this case even though it's a friendly aspect.
You have a minor aspect I think semisquare between Moon-Saturn. I don't know if it's signifant I haven't searched except of mine minor aspects. but I have a minor aspect between Moon and Saturn too and I found the descriptions of it (very few though) being spot on.

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i dont have kids and i figure thats probably for the best because i dont think i'd make a good parent and i think that's too important of a thing to **** up

what i like about my niece is that i can hand her back over to my brother and not be responsible for her

it just seems like too much pressure and responsibility really and im not about that

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hahah
Yeah that's the good thing about taking care of others children. You know you won't be responsible forever.
I agree with you that is exactly how I see it.. It's a life we are talking about it's indeed too important to **** up.

posted November 18, 2018 08:06 AM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Oh is Neptune connected to your mars? That would modify the energy forsure yeah

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posted November 19, 2018 02:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Others won't tell you anyway, no one tells my mom except of me and sometimes my dad, they don't want to get to a fight with someone who doesn't kniw how to have a conversation like a civilized person. They live with her for short periods of time so why would yhey get into trouble.. Btw she is adorable when you are far from her lol.

I have close r/s with my dad, brothers and nieces. My brothers also often entrust their children to me so does it sound like I'm difficult to live with, lol? My only landmine is when people invade my privacy or show blatant inconsideration to others. Actually your mom sounds like my mom and she doesn't have any moon-mars aspect. She easily gets offended by what we say. The atmosphere is often tense when she's home.

Do you happen to have Saturn or Neptune on youe Moon or even Mars?

My Pisces Mars in 10th house exactly trines Cancer Saturn in 2nd house.

I don't know about your planets and angles but in my case it's weird that I like Saturnian people (except of the Moon which I would like it in water signs especially late Scorpio degrees) but I have DSC in Capricorn with Uranus and Neptune right on it opposing my Sun.. Plus Leo Venus, Mars and Jup and Cancer Sun, Mercury and ASC.. All the ones I've like have Capricorn Venus conjuct Saturn and the last one has even Mars in Capricorn.

I always like Saturnian energy in people and this could be in part due to my own moderate Saturnian energy (sextile Sun/Mercury, trine Mars). I also have Sun/Mercury in Taurus so that adds another layer of stability to my personality.

I also have always been very close to my dad and he has Saturn square Sun, trine Moon/Mercury/Venus/Mars in natal so you can say I grew up being very accustomed to Saturnian energy. My ex and my current guy both have Venus conj Saturn natally. All my close friends also have several Saturn aspects in natal so you see we attract each other.

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