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virgoscorpio
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posted November 14, 2018 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgoscorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read somewhere that if someone has Moon and/or Venus only receiving stressful aspects in their natals, it could make relationships difficult for them and the person they're with.

I am friends with a man who's only major aspect to his Venus is a square to Saturn. What's interesting is that we also have this aspect in synastry (my Saturn to his Venus). Would this make the aspect in our synastry easier?

I would also like to know: Are there any aspects in a natal chart that would make you concerned about dating someone?

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posted November 14, 2018 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree, tell me about the man with Venus square Saturn? I’d like to know cause I was dating a guy with Venus square Saturn.

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posted November 14, 2018 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sassaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you're about the same age, your Saturn will also square his Moon, yes.

I am interested in this, and it's something I am pondering at the moment with someone: his Moon only has a square to Neptune.

My Venus does trine his Moon. Which, on the outset one may think is good and soothing to his Moon, providing comfort and longevity. But, I have considered the other hand recently: his Moon has really nothing to give. It will be a needy Moon that may drain my Venus, will not provide the conversation that my Venus needs. It will maybe be one-way traffic in that location of the chart. My Venus isn't all that healthy itself, so, maybe it will be the aspect that will take us both down, lol. Two needy insecure people without the resources to hold each other up?

But yes, please tell us more about what you observe with the Saturn square Moon. Because that aspect is isolated - ie, there are no other aspects to the Moon, it's an opportunity to get a clearer view of how Saturn square Moon feels/looks/works. Unfortunately, I am not close enough to the Moon guy I am getting to know to gain insights to share.

I am supposing that, the person has inner conflict that is seen for them in the outside world. So the aspect and challenges compounds in the person's psyche. What do i mean? Put basically, it's a positive feedback system where people notice their issues and react to them within that framework. The person then intuits/notices this and it frustrates (squares) the aspect more and therefore highlights this aspect in their character. As we know, things are not easy in that area of their chart.

Squares though are good too. As we know, sometimes the person learns and grow into a better person for it.
Other people often act favourably to people with squares because they are symbolic of our collective tension that we can all relate to somewhere, and people can see the struggle and act with compassion or tenderness. But this is often not seen or appreciated by the person, depending on what other aspects are to that planet to guide it. For men with Moon or Venus challenged, they may receive maternal sympathies from women associates, and they may learn to manipulate these favourable responses.

But, yes, as your point is, I think it's all well and good for the general people around them but for those that are intimate with the person it can be a different story.

For men it's a very interesting pondering because the Moon and Venus represent women in their life for them. How this works I am still wrapping my head around, but, one way of viewing it is, put simply: the man will blame the woman on some level for not filling the emotional hole of frustration.

Runaroundscreaming just put synastry up for review in the threads of a guy she's seeing that has only a challenged Venus (with Pluto and Jupiter). I am keen to hear how it plays out.

Also, did you see this thread that's goin now on synastry Saturn square Moon: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/007817.html

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posted November 14, 2018 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@sassaqua the man will blame the woman on some level for not filling the emotional hole of frustration.

Agree!!
My ex and baby daddy has Venus square Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. All outer planets conj his Dsc. Venus is in his 5th house.

My Moon, Jupiter and Chiron trine his Venus. My Juno conj his Venus, and he gets a Neptune square from me. Also my Venus/Mars oppose his Venus. Lots of aspects.

What can I say.. he broke my heart. Although he doesn’t see it that way. I was constantly giving and reassuring, but it never felt enough. It’s like he never truly believed me how much love I felt for him. How deep his impact was.

After getting to know him better and talking to his family, a lot of things made more sense to me.. he definitely had a pattern in relationships. First he would idolize a person, then when things didn’t go exactly as he imagined, came the great fall from grace. Suddenly that person wasn’t good enough. He felt rejected pretty easily. What he didn’t notice is.. that he was the one doing the rejecting,and that his love feelings weren’t constant!

One week you were up in the sky, next week he wasn’t available. A constant hot and cold game, that brought all of my issues and insecurities to the surface.
I felt inadequate and self conscious around him a lot. He killed my spontaneity in a way.

Every relationship he’s had so far ended on a similar note. Only that we’re bound together now.

The strange thing is, even after what he’s put me through, I still love him. I still have that need in me to make him whole again.. to somehow save him. I believe it’s my IC conj his NN.. or maybe because I’m Pisces.

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posted November 14, 2018 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgoscorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@angel - so far he seems very sweet, thoughtful and mature. He also seems somewhat insecure and very focused on his appearance and how he dresses. He also seems a little controlling, but that may be partly because he has a Capricorn sun.

Some more details about our relationship:

I have known him about a month. We met on a dating site, and the first two dates I felt very unsure about him because he seemed very forward and was texting me a lot. He was also saying he though I was exactly what he is looking for, which seemed crazy to me because we didn't even know each other. I am slightly commitment phobic, so if a guy seems too into me at the beginning, it kind of scares me.

He also seemed slightly controlling to me. For example he said that he likes girly girls and wants a woman to look good when he goes out with her. At first this bothered me a little bit, but if I'm honest with myself I will admit I could do more to dress and look better.

What was really weird for me was that I felt like I knew him when we met.

I think what freaked me out about him is that he is so different from anyone I've dated before. He makes a lot more than I do and he dresses impeccably and is super ripped because he's always in the gym. He is also from a different country (India) and his family wants him to have an arranged marriage, so I was worried about that too. Most of the guys I dated in the past were working class and wanted a girl who was low maintenance. They also had no fashion sense lol.

As of right now I have decided it's worth continuing to get to know him.

Here are our natals, synastry, and composite for some context:

His natal:

My natal:

Synastry:

Composite:

Davison:

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posted November 14, 2018 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Sassaqua

“For men it's a very interesting pondering because the Moon and Venus represent women in their life for them. How this works I am still wrapping my head around, but, one way of viewing it is, put simply: the man will blame the woman on some level for not filling the emotional hole of frustration.”

OMG.....this is exactly what I went through with my ex who has moon AND venus square Saturn/juno. Lol!!

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posted November 14, 2018 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@virgoscorpio

Just by quickly looking at his chart, I can see how his family wants him to have an arranged marriage and how he may think he wanfs a girl girl like sooooo conventional....lol!!!

I can see that his sun in Capricorn is conjunct his Neptune and his IC square his ascendant and descendant. This automatically explains the arranged marriage from his family soooo Capricorn...lol. But it is square his ascendant and descendant which tells me he might think he wants a conventional motherly woman (sun conjunct Neptune conjunct his IC) but he will attract domineering / independent woman (Aries descendant). He’s going to be confused with the girl he falls for because she will not meet with his expectations 100%.
Maybe some but not entirely because of this square I’m seeing. He needs to mature more and become more evolved so that he understands that he needs to accept that his soulmate is not always going to be that girly conventional stereotype BS LOL!

Hmmmm his venus is Aquarius wtf... how can he say he wants girly girl!! omg it’s his venus square Saturn ughhhh Saturn always puts down the sign he’s squaring too, it seems.

Yeah my ex has venus conjunct moon conjunct Nessus square Saturn/juno, he is very loyal, been in many long relationships, but he often attracts submissive women because he is control freak lmao!!!! And when he dates independent girl he can’t stand that he feels like he needs to make them conventional. His mom is really conventional type and his dad used to abuse her while he was growing up. So messed up.

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posted November 14, 2018 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgoscorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah actually I was wrong. In synastry we have moon square saturn but he doesn't have that in his natal chart. How challenging is venus square saturn in a natal chart?

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posted November 14, 2018 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I don’t like to see mars square/opposite Pluto under 3 degrees. Especially in men. This pretty much always shows someone with a VERY selfish nature, a bad/explosive/intense temper, always on the defensive and quick to react/attack back to any perceived slights (touchy ego),or if they think someone is trying to control them. And vindictive/spiteful as well, usually wants to plot revenge or get the other person back and can be very ruthless.
I noticed they’re usually problem children as well, with some sort of behavioural issues, like oppositional defiant disorder etc.
Postives though are amazing willpower and determination/perseverance and ambition.

Seeing someone with sun opposite Pluto (under 3 degrees) usually makes someone a bit domineering and can be a bit of a tyrant as well. Likes to have power and control.

Mercury in hard aspect to Pluto, gives someone an arrogant mind, they can be very condescending.

If I see a fixed grand cross in the chart, and involving malefics like mars, Pluto, or Saturn.... I know immediately that this person is going to be avery stubborn/unyielding and a difficult personality, not someone who is easy to get along with due to their strong personality.

Lots of personal planets in leo or first house action, like the sun/moon/mercury in the first.... this person will be quite selfish and pre-occupied with the self (1st house) and/or some form of narcissism/attention-seeking behaviour.

These are just some off the top of my head haha.

And me personally when dating, I don’t like to see Venus/mars conjunct, especially with mars holding the lower degree!
Venus/mars conjunction in anyone’s chart shows a strong desire nature/libido,, these people are natural flirts and usually quite promiscuous, have a lot of partners. They’re very comfortable with people and easily relate to the opposite sex, and are quite assertive and direct (especially if mars is holding the lower degree like I said earlier) so they can always usually find someone. They’re very charming and have a lot of charisma/game.
I just don’t like it because I’m a very jealous and possessive person lol I don’t want my S.O flirting with others and if they have a venus/mars conjunction, I know they will even if it’s harmless lol but mainly because it tells me they’re more willing or have a stronger than average natural tendency to cheat/have multiple partners than someone without this conjunction.
It usually settles down once they’re older 👍

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posted November 14, 2018 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sassaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol to this whole thread..

ana_bee - We know your story, I remember it now and it still feels so sad. It's crazy stuff these relationships. Have to be so careful!

angel4845 - lol.. your expression is just funny.

virgoscorpio - no, he doesn't only have challenged aspects to his Moon. And, not even to his Saturn.

LunaIscariot - great rundown!

Keep us updated virgoscorpio because the synastry is interesting (but I haven't looked deeply yet).

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posted November 14, 2018 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks sass

I want to add too that these are just aspects I’ve personally experienced manifesting this way quite a few times with others, but of course you have to take everything into account.
But these are just my own “red flag” indicators or things I take into account when I look at someone’s chart. Hope I don’t offend anyone if you have any of these markers! lol

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posted November 14, 2018 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgoscorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sassaqua after posting I realized that my original post was a little confusing and I misinterpreted some things. I will keep you all posted!

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posted November 14, 2018 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I get very alerted with Mars in a man's chart aspecting their Uranus in a hard aspect or conjunct. More often than not, they are prone to cheating, very curious Marses, I know a couple of them. All are flirts and wanted to shag me even thou they were partnered. Moon in Aries is similar.
Venus/ Neptune square in a man's chart= cheater 99.9%. a very annoying aspect in a man's chart.
Mercury/Neptune square= liars, often.
Mars/Neptune square= deceivers, usually break the law secretly. Like, will proly steal if they could. Or avoid paying duties.
Pisces men in general, I don't like. They opposite my Sun and I find them too slippery and deceitful. Their games don't pass by me.

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posted November 15, 2018 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgoscorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I decided to look back at some of the natals of my past relationships to see what I could find. This one seemed interesting to me.

I was very close friends with this guy for 2-3 years. We worked together, and even though I never told him this, I consider him one of my closest friends. I would have dated him except that he was extremely insecure at that time, to the point that it really affected his quality of life.

As far as I know he never had a girlfriend ( he was in his 30s when I knew him.) He also still lived with him mother and didn't have a license or a car. Sooo... not really dating material but a really sweet and awesome guy otherwise.

What was weird about him is he was so insecure that he had no self esteem around women and thought he was unattractive even though he was actually pretty cute.

Our friendship ended when I started dating someone else and he got upset about it. I didn't realize he had such strong feelings for me because he never said it. When he found out I started dating someone else he said something along the lines of "Why didn't you want to date me?" He also told me to lose his number.

Even though it has been about 5 years since we stopped talking, I still miss his friendship and think about him.

What's interesting is his venus is challenged by his moon (? birthtime unknown) and saturn, and these are the only aspects it makes. I am still very much a beginner when it comes to reading charts, but I thought this was interesting and relates to the topic.

In my experience with this relationship, our friendship was great and he was very sweet to me. It was just his insecurities that got in the way.

His time of birth is unknown so the moon might be off.

His natal:

Synastry:

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posted November 15, 2018 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For me I'm mostly concerned with their moon, Venus and Mars, but it's hard to tell if you don't know their ascendant and house placement... Someone with many planets in 5th house or libra is totally the player/flirty type. I avoid this... And moon-venus in a man's chart almost always means that he is a cheater/player as well. I also dislike fire signs on moon/mars/ Venus all in combination, cause this is also prone to be a cheater in a man's chart. An afflicted Neptune in the natal can be really hard to deal with for me personally, because they are prone to be really mentally/emotionally unstable.. and my number one red flag is Venus square or opposition Uranus, cause this makes a guy very unstable in his relationships and it's very unlikely that it's going to last...

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posted November 15, 2018 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgoscorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm friends with a guy who has venus square uranus exact and he always seems to end up with women who mistreat him. I think because he is very emotionally vulnerable (he suffers from depression and PTSD) he becomes needy and ends up with women who take advantage of his kind heart.

It's really sad to see, and I try to help, but I don't know what to do for him.

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posted November 15, 2018 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sassaqua:

For men it's a very interesting pondering because the Moon and Venus represent women in their life for them. How this works I am still wrapping my head around, but, one way of viewing it is, put simply: the man will blame the woman on some level for not filling the emotional hole of frustration

i have hard aspects to my moon and venus (theyre opposite each other and both square mars, venus is on my ascendant moon on my descendant conjunct north node) though theyre also part of a kite (with mercury and uranus) and from a relationship perspective...

my fiancee and i definitely have had ups and downs and i dont feel like theres always that balance i think relationships should have but the strong feelings are what tends to keep me around through the rollercoaster

she has strong scorpio (mercury and venus conjunct pluto, and we have a lot of differences and similarities that dont necessarily balance each other

that being said... i also just sort of look at ups and downs as part of life and see accepting that as just part of a relationship

@next to neptune

my venus, mars, and moon are a tsquare (mars loosely conjunct neptune) and im not a cheater, i dont exactly believe entirely in 100% monogamy, but i wouldnt cheat either

and i believe as far as commitment goes, when you find someone you love unconditionally you stay with them etc ... and im completely capable of that

i just also, with permission, like to have sex with other people, person im with joining is preferable

edit: i also have a fire moon (aries) and a libra venus/ascendant funny enough

my neptune is ok enough trine sun, and the conjunction to mars is very loose like i said though it does fit still but yeah hitting that cap mars

i only have one planet 5th house and only in placidus (jupiter in pisces, aquarius cusp) i think i count for most of your red flags though

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posted November 16, 2018 04:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sassaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Finally time to get back and read this

virgoscorpio - ok for errors, a good discussion has come of it anyhow.

Also, your friend.. I love it when these little life stories come up on LL btw. Your synastry: he got a good Venus and Moon (+ Pluto and Neptune) from you to his challenged Venus, hey.

But - how about the tragedy - his Moon then was unaspected in the synastry! Astrology can be crazy like that. His Sun Mars and Mercury also unaspected.

I wonder how it feels to get the good aspects to a highly challenged planet? I have wondered that it would possibly create great dependency, because the other person is the link to relief for that challenged aspect. I mean theoretically of course, and I'm putting it simply here for understanding.

I wonder too that it might feel pretty scary knowing how much you need/love the other person. And I wonder if this can be somewhat emasculating for men? (Is this why they maybe get funny and blamey?).

Dumuzi - there are always exceptions and some manage better than others. Thanks for your insights, all such worthy contributions.

next to neptune and Oranage - VERY interesting! I will study what you say more. I don't need to point out that it leaves a smaller pool than EVER to choose from, sighh..

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posted November 16, 2018 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Finally time to get back and read this

virgoscorpio - ok for errors, a good discussion has come of it anyhow.

Also, your friend.. I love it when these little life stories come up on LL btw. Your synastry: he got a good Venus and Moon (+ Pluto and Neptune) from you to his challenged Venus, hey.

But - how about the tragedy - his Moon then was unaspected in the synastry! Astrology can be crazy like that. His Sun Mars and Mercury also unaspected.

I wonder how it feels to get the good aspects to a highly challenged planet? I have wondered that it would possibly create great dependency, because the other person is the link to relief for that challenged aspect. I mean theoretically of course, and I'm putting it simply here for understanding.

I wonder too that it might feel pretty scary knowing how much you need/love the other person. And I wonder if this can be somewhat emasculating for men? (Is this why they maybe get funny and blamey?).

Dumuzi - there are always exceptions and some manage better than others. Thanks for your insights, all such worthy contributions.

next to neptune and Oranage - VERY interesting! I will study what you say more. I don't need to point out that it leaves a smaller pool than EVER to choose from, sighh..


of course there's exceptions, though i wasnt entirely sure i counted because im not the best with monogamy in spite of being loyal and open about that

i can answer your other question too, my mars is sextile my fiancee's venus/pluto conjunction my mars/neptune conjunction (my mars also conjuncts her 12th house neptune though) and sextile her mars

and we click very well sexually, and usually cant keep our hands off each other

even when we've been at our worst points and broken up we still connected very deeply and intimately sexually

regardless of other feelings or things being imperfect no matter what sex always just stays this deep intimate thing (and i dont feel like sex is necessarily deep or intimate sometimes it's like having adrink or seeing a movie depending on who it's with)

so in spite of the t-square i have on my own (which can make me struggle with relationships and commitment) she hits me somewhere that's different and special

her moon is also trine my saturn (which only squares my sun and thats it) and im not normally good with structure or routine but where she needs it in her life to feel safe and secure i have no issue providing it

that being said it's terrifying needing someone yeah, and it has at points made me push her and other people away because i dont feel comfortable feeling like i need someone

but with her i just cant do that

i dont find it emasculating, just balanced in a sense, she provides the things i dont have and vice versa (in both sidereal and tropical her and i are each void of one element that the other has) which is a positive thing i think

her touching me in the places i lack is part of why the relationship is so important to me

flipside is i know she feels like she needs me and what i provide

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posted November 16, 2018 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sassaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dumuzi -

generous of you to go to that effort to explain. All interesting.

Some of it I cannot quite get a gist of but if you have your synastry and natals somewhere would you like to bump it so we can have a visual? Or maybe start a new thread. Because, seriously "hard aspects to my moon and venus (theyre opposite each other and both square mars.. " is a classic.

You sound reflective of your own character and the dynamics in your relationship/s. It's what we're more likely to get at LL too. Not a good sample then of the less functional or less integrated people we're dealing with in the real world.

And even if these other people were approached, it's likely they don't have a great level of articulation around their issues if questions were posed to them on these points. Especially if it is the Moon that is heavily challenged, due to its pre-verbal nature.

We continue to (carefully) depend on speculation then.

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posted November 16, 2018 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sassaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For fun, here's a summary of the "potentials":

Mars square/opposite Pluto under 3 degrees - (especially in men) someone with a selfish nature, on the defensive and quick to react with a bad/explosive/intense temper.

Sun opposite Pluto (under 3 degrees) - domineering and tyrannical, power and control focus.

Mercury in hard aspect to Pluto - an arrogant mind, they can be very condescending.

A fixed grand cross - involving malefics like Mars, Pluto, or Saturn - a very stubborn/unyielding and difficult personality.

Many personal planets in Leo or in first house (like Sun/Moon/Mercury) - selfish and pre-occupied with the self (1st house) and/or some form of narcissism/attention-seeking behaviour.

Venus/Mars conjunct (especially with Mars holding the lower degree) - a strong desire nature/libido, these people are natural flirts and usually quite promiscuous.

Mars aspecting Uranus in hard aspect or conjunct (especially in men) - prone to cheating, very curious.

Moon in Aries - desirous and promiscuous.

Venus/Neptune square (especially in men) - cheater 99.9%.

Mercury/Neptune square - liars.

Mars/Neptune square - deceivers in action: eg, break the law secretly. Like, will proly steal if they could. Or avoid paying duties.

Pisces men in general (for some people personally). When opposite Sun, too slippery and deceitful.

Concerns with the Moon, Venus and Mars for relationships - (but also considering ascendant and house placement).

Planets in 5th house or Libra is totally the player/flirty type.

Moon-Venus in a man's chart almost always means that he is a cheater/player as well.

Fire signs on Moon/Mars/Venus (especially men) all in combination - prone to be a cheater.

Neptune natally afflicted - hard to deal with (for some people personally), because they are prone to be really mentally/emotionally unstable.

Venus square or opposition Uranus ("number one red flag", especially for men) - very unstable in relationships and it's very unlikely that it will last.

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posted November 16, 2018 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sassaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by virgoscorpio:
I'm friends with a guy who has venus square uranus exact and he always seems to end up with women who mistreat him. I think because he is very emotionally vulnerable (he suffers from depression and PTSD) he becomes needy and ends up with women who take advantage of his kind heart.

It's really sad to see, and I try to help, but I don't know what to do for him.


Yes, it's good to remember it can work that way too. It depends on so much hey.

I do think that men are more prone to project it to women. I know that's a potentially contentious statement but I have read and studies fairly extensively on the subject so as to ensure that I am not being irresponsible with such speculations. It has a lot to do with the socially conditioning with single mothers and the hierarchy that men are structured in (a complicated topic).

However back to astrology, say with this example virgoscorpio, I wonder that looking at the rest of the chart what's his Mars doing? Is it Neptune subdued so he has difficulty in asserting himself (and can only subtly undermine)? Or, is his Moon in such a fabulous condition that he sees women as more worthy than himself - as you mention here that it is his Venus (self esteem) being challenged. Or, conversely, is his Moon so challenged also, that his image of maternal is one of domineering and overpowering, and he believes he has no hope of standing up to such conditions?

Even though often, and usually traditionally, Venus for the male is projected on to the woman to represent the status of his self esteem, there are exceptions, and where the challenge of the aspect is instead internalised. I I do believe things are changing as we move to different social dynamics where the gender roles are less structured.

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posted November 16, 2018 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awwww....sasaqua. What a beautiful compilation of a "don't go there" list.
I'm right clicking this..

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Dumuzi
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posted November 16, 2018 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sassaqua:
Dumuzi -

generous of you to go to that effort to explain. All interesting.

Some of it I cannot quite get a gist of but if you have your synastry and natals somewhere would you like to bump it so we can have a visual? Or maybe start a new thread. Because, seriously "hard aspects to my moon and venus (theyre opposite each other and both square mars.. " is a classic.

You sound reflective of your own character and the dynamics in your relationship/s. It's what we're more likely to get at LL too. Not a good sample then of the less functional or less integrated people we're dealing with in the real world.

And even if these other people were approached, it's likely they don't have a great level of articulation around their issues if questions were posed to them on these points. Especially if it is the Moon that is heavily challenged, due to its pre-verbal nature.

We continue to (carefully) depend on speculation then.


my chart:
https://imgur.com/a/hjdThMe

our synastry:

https://imgur.com/a/4pCnygm

like i said, i hit heavy on your red flags, but her and i have been together for 14 years and we've known eachother for about 20

our relationship is open to an extent (right now we have a friend with benefits, we've had others)

we practice the occult together and i mention it because it's become a deep part of our relationship only post saturn return though when we first met we messed around with it briefly but didnt get in too deep, then a lot happened and i was on my own with it for a while for the most part


edit: meant to write more, my bad, just got distracted and i've been tripping all day

i forgot it all though so i'll just add that as far as other people ive been with go those were all disasters pretty much and the ongoing friend thing that hasnt been so far theres a lot of distance

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ana_bee
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posted November 16, 2018 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I want to stay away from relationships with Saturn, Uranus or Neptune forming stressful aspects to personal planets in composite. From experience I find those much worse than hard aspects from Pluto.

Pluto is possessive, manipulative and leads to power struggles. But to me Pluto is at least honest and due to his intensity there’s substance and something to work with. These people will drive you to the edge at times, but the relationship will never be dull or lack emotion. In the depths there’s always the promise to discover, to transform and to heal.

Saturn squares on the other hand lead to loneliness and emotional coldness; a constant disconnect .. i’m too sensitive for that

Uranus squares lead to instability; the relationship is constantly compromised, there’s always something that disrupts it; it’s a hot and cold aspect.

Neptune squares lead to delusions and deception; one morning you wake up next to someone you don’t recognize; at the end of the relationship you wonder what trip you were on.. was it all for real? Where did the love go?

This is my experience.
I always fall for Uranus or Neptune

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