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ChildofVenus
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posted February 11, 2019 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People never mention the Declinations in synastry, composite or Davison charts why is that? Are they insignificant if there isn’t an aspect between the two planets? For example I have Moon parallel Moon with someone but there isn’t an aspect between the planets. But wouldn’t this still count? Do Declinations make up for the lack of aspects?

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posted February 11, 2019 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Declinations are super important! And yes, they can make up for lack of aspects in the synastry. Your parallel would be read as a conjunction and contra parallel would be read as an opposition. Declinations can account for why there is a connection felt, but not seen in the charts.

There were a few astrologers on this forum that referred to them regularly, alas they no longer participate here. It’s unfortunate that we lost their insights on topics like this.

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posted February 14, 2019 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I only recently started looking at declination in our Davison. Found that our Sun/Mercury/Venus/Asc are all parallel, Pluto parallel Mars and Vertex parallel Valentine. Wow.

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posted February 14, 2019 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a lesser known topic for some. Perhaps if more people pushed it and posted topics related to it and explained it to people, they'd be more likely to catch on. Perhaps if people explained and showed what they are and how they're important more often, there'd be more awareness.

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posted February 14, 2019 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also think declinations are significant.
But I have to check more synastries because most of the times there is also a synastry aspect. In the few cases that there wasn't a synastry aspect between parallel or contra-parallel planets the declinations have been pretty accurate.

I think though using declinations for davison /composite goes a little bit too far.

My question is how Venus parallel Venus would work if there is a Venus square or inconjunction Venus synastry aspect?

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posted February 15, 2019 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:

I think though using declinations for davison /composite goes a little bit too far.

Why is that so?

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posted February 16, 2019 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Why is that so?

I'm not too familiar with composites and davison, I feel like they're less significant one reason being that they are not "real" charts and mostly because people who used to make accurate predictions for me in the past used sunastry, progressions and transits.. None used composite/davison, so without their use they were able to see anything.

So I'm thinking that if they could see everything considering a relationship without using composites then conposites aren't really needed?

I lack personal experience too for the same reason.
Anyway I haven't formed an absolute opinion myself about it, I need practical proofs but I didn't have enough of them.

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posted February 16, 2019 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
I'm not too familiar with composites and davison, I feel like they're less significant one reason being that they are not "real" charts and mostly because people who used to make accurate predictions for me in the past used sunastry, progressions and transits.. None used composite/davison, so without their use they were able to see anything.

So I'm thinking that if they could see everything considering a relationship without using composites then conposites aren't really needed?

I lack personal experience too for the same reason.
Anyway I haven't formed an absolute opinion myself about it, I need practical proofs but I didn't have enough of them.


I'm with you on this, and likewise I don't have enough experience to ascertain the opinion, which is why it's just an opinion.

Generally I like to envision energies as an actual exchange I can see/feel, in abstract form. Like when thinking how something will affect someone... I like to think of it as if I was the energy sorta.

When thinking about Composite/Davisons... Like yeah I understand why it is the way it is. But I'm only semi feeling it if you know what I mean. As an example, person A being in the East, person B in the West. Will they both feel the effects of an earthquake happening at the midpoint area? Perhaps. I don't know. I'm trying to give it form. Or mutual friends, something happening to the midpoint person will certainly be felt by both...

Just trying to think if the energies of a specific day of a random year will have an effect on me personally (in the case of Davisons). I was trying to search for a celebrity born on such given day to see how I feel about them... In my case I had no luck, perhaps someone of you will find such person...

There's probably some truth to it though. But sometimes I wonder if I'm not rather delusional about what I see in relation to me and the other person. Like thinking 'yeah I certainly feel that' and assume that the other person is feeling the same or whatever. (In my opinion, in most cases the person obsessing over it and trying to find hints is the one seeing and feeling 'stuff' while the other is just blissfully oblivious to the energies. Not because it doesn't exist. Cuz they're not as in tune. Of course it depends on the person though. It's like how fresh air affects one person on an internal and deep level, while the other is just chilling out. The air is the same, it's just how in tune you are to this feeling...)

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posted February 16, 2019 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm with you on this, and likewise I don't have enough experience to ascertain the opinion, which is why it's just an opinion.

Generally I like to envision energies as an actual exchange I can see/feel, in abstract form. Like when thinking how something will affect someone... I like to think of it as if I was the energy sorta.

When thinking about Composite/Davisons... Like yeah I understand why it is the way it is. But I'm only semi feeling it if you know what I mean. As an example, person A being in the East, person B in the West. Will they both feel the effects of an earthquake happening at the midpoint area? Perhaps. I don't know. I'm trying to give it form. Or mutual friends, something happening to the midpoint person will certainly be felt by both...

Just trying to think if the energies of a specific day of a random year will have an effect on me personally (in the case of Davisons). I was trying to search for a celebrity born on such given day to see how I feel about them... In my case I had no luck, perhaps someone of you will find such person...

There's probably some truth to it though. But sometimes I wonder if I'm not rather delusional about what I see in relation to me and the other person. Like thinking 'yeah I certainly feel that' and assume that the other person is feeling the same or whatever. (In my opinion, in most cases the person obsessing over it and trying to find hints is the one seeing and feeling 'stuff' while the other is just blissfully oblivious to the energies. Not because it doesn't exist. Cuz they're not as in tune. Of course it depends on the person though. It's like how fresh air affects one person on an internal and deep level, while the other is just chilling out. The air is the same, it's just how in tune you are to this feeling...)


I'm seeing it the same way, exchange of energies and I believe synastry is perfect to describe that.

I was like you at first, thinking that I'm delusional or that I have some kind of problem feeling strong connections and super familiar with certain people. However in my case it was them telling me that they feel this weird connection first and I had some crazy stuff happening.

Here's an example:

I was in a chat, I would get about 100+ messages per few minutes. I didn't reply to any of the windows that would pop up, until one saying a simple "hi" (like hundreds of others) made my heart beat faster and I felt weird. He didn't have a pic/age/city etc, no infos at all. Which means he could be a woman or a 60 years old pedophile while I was about 18yo.. It felt so intense like I could sense his energy through a chat window.. Turns out he was a guy with whom we have a really nice mental, emotional, spiritual connection and I fell hard for him (it was mutual).

That was just one example.
Have you had others confirming your intuition after you get to know them?
Until now it's proven to me that I'm super intuitive not delusional.
It would be so painful to feel a strong connection to someone who feels nothing like it. Although before I realised that I wasn't just delusional I thought it was all in my mind

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posted February 17, 2019 01:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like to think of myself as pretty intuitive... Not necessarily with feeling people's emotions only, just stuff in general. But still, when it comes to people sometimes you so badly want them to feel this way that you create the reality when really it's just in your mind. Like at that point it's not only their energy, it's yours too that you're feeling.

In all honesty, I don't think I've ever felt strongly about a person for more than a short bit, besides one person that I don't know how he feels about me. The feeling that I'm picking up is largely based on his actions, and it's kinda messing with my actual intuition. It's like I feel one thing, then I'm like 'na it's not possible cuz he said or did that'.

But picking up on ones' energy as far as if the 'chemistry' will be good is absolutely true. Like even on forums as such, I know it's weird and you can't really know a person just from one paragraph or something... But I can instantly feel if we will or won't get along ultimately. Even before I interact with them.

Also, it's weird whenever I feel uncomfortable in a person's presence... It's like I can instantly tell if my Moon is unaspected or in square aspect or something... It's like a super uncomfortable energy. And Mercury too, I had this feeling toward someone before knowing anything about Astrology... Like I could never sit around them and just feel like I can chat just about anything really. I just checked our synastry, my Mercury is unaspected. And according to them they never felt this way. And true, all their planets were aspected by my planets.

Like energy is a real thing. It's creepily crazy lol. I'm just saying it cuz I come across so many skeptics and I'm like 'how can you just not feel it'.

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posted February 17, 2019 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
I like to think of myself as pretty intuitive... Not necessarily with feeling people's emotions only, just stuff in general. But still, when it comes to people sometimes you so badly want them to feel this way that you create the reality when really it's just in your mind. Like at that point it's not only their energy, it's yours too that you're feeling.

In all honesty, I don't think I've ever felt strongly about a person for more than a short bit, besides one person that I don't know how he feels about me. The feeling that I'm picking up is largely based on his actions, and it's kinda messing with my actual intuition. It's like I feel one thing, then I'm like 'na it's not possible cuz he said or did that'.

But picking up on ones' energy as far as if the 'chemistry' will be good is absolutely true. Like even on forums as such, I know it's weird and you can't really know a person just from one paragraph or something... But I can instantly feel if we will or won't get along ultimately. Even before I interact with them.

Also, it's weird whenever I feel uncomfortable in a person's presence... It's like I can instantly tell if my Moon is unaspected or in square aspect or something... It's like a super uncomfortable energy. And Mercury too, I had this feeling toward someone before knowing anything about Astrology... Like I could never sit around them and just feel like I can chat just about anything really. I just checked our synastry, my Mercury is unaspected. And according to them they never felt this way. And true, all their planets were aspected by my planets.

Like energy is a real thing. It's creepily crazy lol. I'm just saying it cuz I come across so many skeptics and I'm like 'how can you just not feel it'.


Do you have Neptunian energy in your chart?
Actually could you post your chart?
I am asking because you seem intuitive but a bit confused when it comes to others' people feelings etc.

The reason I'm asking is because I want to decide what makes me so good in reading others. I thought it was my Pisces Moon but I have Neptune exact on DSC (so since it's the house of others it may be the reason I sense others so intensely).

Do you also have weird things going on like seeing things before they happen in your dreams or visualising them somehow?

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posted February 17, 2019 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure here it is. https://photos.app.goo.gl/KcbYBwjm4ACwMER1A

Thing is I can definitely read people.

I'm a lot on YouTube... Those that make videos with their girlfriends/boyfriends... Sometimes I think to myself 'am I the only one that thinks the energy between them is just off'? And yes, everybody thinks 'they're just so cute together'. And ultimately they do end up breaking it off. Had it more than once.

But this one person that I'm trying to figure out... I think by now I have a clearer view, now that I kinda stopped obsessing over him that I can see it better. But I do have to say that it wasn't this way before when I was viewing it from a subjective viewpoint.

And omg in regards to seeing things before they happen... don't even get me started. It creeps me out sometimes.

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posted February 17, 2019 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Brenda

Seeing that Gemini Moon, I'm wondering if it what's makes it more difficult for you.

However your Moon and Sun are in 12th H
Neptune and Uranus in 8th H

So I can see how you can be intuitive
I'm wondering what is at fault for not being objective when you have feelings for someone. I'm wondering because my feelings for someone are based initially on what I'm sensing from them, it seems like the exact opposite of what you're experiencing.

I understand what you're saying about reading others I do it too (in youtube/real life etc). I am just sensing things without knowing why and how.
After I confirmed I am not deluded I thought it was something normal that all people have.
It turns out that it's not like that either.

And omg in regards to seeing things before they happen... don't even get me started. It creeps me out sometimes

This is exactly what I want to know! Tell me these things that creep you out 😱


*Also out of topic but I would like to know how your Neptune and Uranus in your 8th H are affecting you when it comes to intimate relationships. If this is something you don't want to discuss then ignore this question completely.

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posted February 17, 2019 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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[b]Brenda

Seeing that Gemini Moon, I'm wondering if it what's makes it more difficult for you.

However your Moon and Sun are in 12th H
Neptune and Uranus in 8th H

So I can see how you can be intuitive
I'm wondering what is at fault for not being objective when you have feelings for someone. I'm wondering because my feelings for someone are based initially on what I'm sensing from them, it seems like the exact opposite of what you're experiencing.

I understand what you're saying about reading others I do it too (in youtube/real life etc). I am just sensing things without knowing why and how.
After I confirmed I am not deluded I thought it was something normal that all people have.
It turns out that it's not like that either.

And omg in regards to seeing things before they happen... don't even get me started. It creeps me out sometimes

This is exactly what I want to know! Tell me these things that creep you out 😱


*Also out of topic but I would like to know how your Neptune and Uranus in your 8th H are affecting you when it comes to intimate relationships. If this is something you don't want to discuss then ignore this question completely.

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I think my Gemini Moon does make me try to rationalize my feelings. Like I can sense something, and then unsure if it was a feeling that I received or a thought that just materialized. Now that you're mentioning it, it makes sense. I think my Moon likes to sift these feelings through if that makes sense. So, if I'm trying to figure out whether a feeling is true or not, I know that that feeling is there and I should probably stop trying to make sense of it.

And what you were saying, it was actually what happened, like the way you too go about perceiving it. Like that feeling towards him only really surfaced due to picking it up from him. Initially, I know for certain that that he was at least interested in me. But then I started to overthink it. And took on a rather subjective viewpoint.

About seeing stuff. First in dreams. It's too vivid and prophetic to think that it might stem from elsewhere. Once about a family member's ex, I dreamt about her walking with some other dude wearing a specific dress code. Literally the next day, my mom tells me that this woman is engaged. And low and behold, to a guy that's wearing precisely that same dress code that I dreamt of. And know, I haven't heard from this woman in years and haven't seen her either. It was literally out of the blue.

I remember I was once in an elevator... Just browsing through my phone minding my own business... Like I haven't looked up to the people standing there. And I don't know I felt this weird sense in my stomach... I was suddenly just thinking of world war 2. No reason. And I looked up, and in walks a dude with a cap with the words 'world war 2' on it.

But this second one I heard that many people experience. It's rather telepathy, like picking up on existing energy. People think of people they haven't seen in a long time, and suddenly see them across the street. It's existing energy. I think it's a bit different.

In regards to Uranus and Neptune... I think I only so far came to a conclusion about Uranus. I tend to feel very cool and disconnected towards sex. Like this notion about feeling closer to someone after sex... Don't think I experienced that in the past. I'd say it's rather the opposite, like the day following, I feel this odd sense like I don't wanna know them lol.

Still trying to figure out Neptune. I mean they're conjunct, so technically one should affect the other. And I know Neptune should be about 'losing your identity and merging with the greater cause' or whatever. I think it makes me rather idealize such. Like I'm dying to experience this with someone, I never had it though. Uranus probably just **cks it up. Especially Capricorn ruling my eighth. Like 'during' I'm rather conscientious about it all and think that this isn't the person that I wanna lose myself to. So I guess it does put my ideals there. I wonder if it'll ever get fulfilled lol.

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posted February 19, 2019 04:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I think my Gemini Moon does make me try to rationalize my feelings. Like I can sense something, and then unsure if it was a feeling that I received or a thought that just materialized. Now that you're mentioning it, it makes sense. I think my Moon likes to sift these feelings through if that makes sense. So, if I'm trying to figure out whether a feeling is true or not, I know that that feeling is there and I should probably stop trying to make sense of it.

I agree, that's what I thought too. The fact that your Moon is in Gemini in 12th H which is an uncomfortable sign for Gemini since 12th H is ruled by Pisces which squares Gemini. So it may have to do with the confusion.


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And what you were saying, it was actually what happened, like the way you too go about perceiving it. Like that feeling towards him only really surfaced due to picking it up from him. Initially, I know for certain that that he was at least interested in me. But then I started to overthink it. And took on a rather subjective viewpoint.

Hmm
I meant that I like someone based on what I'm sensing he is like a person. Since my intuition hasn't been wrong till now when it comes to others, this has not been a problem for me, on the contrary it's very helpful actually. I'm also picking if he likes me or not too like you said.


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About seeing stuff. First in dreams. It's too vivid and prophetic to think that it might stem from elsewhere. Once about a family member's ex, I dreamt about her walking with some other dude wearing a specific dress code. Literally the next day, my mom tells me that this woman is engaged. And low and behold, to a guy that's wearing precisely that same dress code that I dreamt of. And know, I haven't heard from this woman in years and haven't seen her either. It was literally out of the blue.

I remember I was once in an elevator... Just browsing through my phone minding my own business... Like I haven't looked up to the people standing there. And I don't know I felt this weird sense in my stomach... I was suddenly just thinking of world war 2. No reason. And I looked up, and in walks a dude with a cap with the words 'world war 2' on it.

But this second one I heard that many people experience. It's rather telepathy, like picking up on existing energy. People think of people they haven't seen in a long time, and suddenly see them across the street. It's existing energy. I think it's a bit different.


We have very similar experiences.
Especially with small daily things.

Did you ever have any out of body experience?

One of the creepy ones was this time with my dad. He would always be back from work at 16:30 - 17:00. One day (I was in quite good mood) suddenly, out of nowhere I started panicking and I had tears in my eyes, I didn't know what the hell was going on and I was confused, for sone weird reason I ran to my mom immediately and told het "call dad now" she told me "I contacted him half an hour ago he's at work I can't bother him all the time" I told her again panicked and she got worried once she saw me so panicked and crying so she called him. Turned out my dad for the first time ever finished work at around 2 p.m because smth came up and his boss had to go. A few minutes ago my dad had a car accident, thankfully he wasn't injured almost at all but he saw it coming and he got really scared. He was generally very careful and never had an accident before.

After that I was thinking tbat this was pure intuition because of the time. If the time had been past 5 p.m I would think that I somehow had looked at the time without being aware of it. So it would explain how I got worried.

Also have you ever seen in your dream someone you never met before and then seeing him in real life (making sure though that it's impossible to have seen him elsewhere before)

There are a few other things that are super weird but even now I am getting shocked when I'm speakimg about them.

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In regards to Uranus and Neptune... I think I only so far came to a conclusion about Uranus. I tend to feel very cool and disconnected towards sex. Like this notion about feeling closer to someone after sex... Don't think I experienced that in the past. I'd say it's rather the opposite, like the day following, I feel this odd sense like I don't wanna know them lol.

Bahahaha 😁😁😁
Thanks for that, it was helpful. I was kind of wondering if it was my Venus and Mars in Leo / Pluto in 5th H squaring them / Aqua 8th H with Saturn in it.

I've never had sex but trust me I know I am like that.

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Still trying to figure out Neptune. I mean they're conjunct, so technically one should affect the other. And I know Neptune should be about 'losing your identity and merging with the greater cause' or whatever. I think it makes me rather idealize such. Like I'm dying to experience this with someone, I never had it though. Uranus probably just **cks it up. Especially Capricorn ruling my eighth. Like 'during' I'm rather conscientious about it all and think that this isn't the person that I wanna lose myself to. So I guess it does put my ideals there. I wonder if it'll ever get fulfilled lol.

You seemto have a good understanding of the planets and how they may work.
I have a similar experience with Neptune on my DSC. I was idealising relationships until Transit Saturn squared my Neptune and then Transit Pluto conjuncted my Neptune, then I "woke up" and realised what a burden relationships are.
Neptune and Uranus are similar in many ways.
Ones need mental connection the other one spiritual. Both avoid whatever they "touch".
So Neptune craves the merging but it's a spiritual merging it craves not a physical nor a realistic one. So don't blame Uranus for that. Actually Uranus helps you realise Neptune's idealisation WAY faster than you would otherwise.

So even Uranus sucks in many ways when it's in a "wrong" house I think it helps tons with the Neptune. I meam it ruins Neptune's magic quicker.. so you could be deluded but happy for a longer time but Uranus saves you from loosing time or doing things when you're in that deluded Neptunian state that you will later regret.

By the way I have the opposite of you
Aqua 8th H and Saturn in it, while you have Capricorn 8th H and Uranus in it.

A tip would be to find someone who's Mars conjuncts your Neptune. Did you ever had this with someone?

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"I meant that I like someone based on what I'm sensing he is like a person."

I'm assuming you mean you can feel how someone is as a whole before you know them much, right?

It's interesting, I have this where people are like 'I never would've thought that this person could scream like that' or whatever (given their calmness or professionalism) when I feel like I totally could see them doing it.

Like this guy, I feel like I know how sex will be with him lol although we never interacted physically. (People on here sometimes provide charts asking how their guy will be in bed. Like I dunno, I'm like can't you see it?)

Your experience about your dad is pretty crazy. I'm trying to remember if I ever had such. But probably nothing extreme like that. I think any real life happening that I did see before, usually happened in a dream.

"Also have you ever seen in your dream someone you never met before and then seeing him in real life (making sure though that it's impossible to have seen him elsewhere before)"

Omg this. A woman was supposed to be hired. And also that morning (in a dream of course) I just saw how she looked like. I remember vividly, specifically her hair color, hair style and rough/manly voice. All of these were true.

Also once a coworker... Just suddenly from one day to the next nobody heard from her. She couldn't be reached, nothing. She was just gone. A week or 2 later I 'saw her in my dream' at work. And there she was, that same day. (I don't remember for what reason she was taken into jail, till they gave her phone back and everything...)

(Honestly talking about this I feel like I'm crazy or something lol)

Interesting what you're saying about Uranus and Neptune. About Uranus keeping you from staying longer than needed. Now I know that I don't. But largely cuz of life experience lol (I stayed 6 years in a marriage and didn't leave cuz I felt bad for the guy) Now I feel like it's my life and can't just pity everyone, so I'm super quick on moving from one person to the next. My chance window is really narrow lol.

"By the way I have the opposite of you
Aqua 8th H and Saturn in it, while you have Capricorn 8th H and Uranus in it."

I wonder if your Saturn in there contributes to your not having sex yet? I know it has to do with values, but Saturn I'd think is the cause to this value. I might be wrong.

"A tip would be to find someone who's Mars conjuncts your Neptune. Did you ever had this with someone?"

It's interesting I don't know anyone with this Cap placement, like not even family. I wonder if that wouldn't f their Mars up though?

Do you think Jupiter at my eighth house cusp overlay would help?

I have Mars/Neptune opposition myself... This guy again has a Pisces Mars. But his Jupiter is 2 degrees before my eighth house cusp. I wonder if that wouldn't counter the Uranus affects. I need someone specifically to counter those affects lol just a standard Mars contact wouldn't do it for me. My natal Mars is pretty f'ed up - in Cancer conjunct South Node. And Neptune/Uranus in the eighth doesn't help it, especially the Neptune opposing Mars.

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posted February 21, 2019 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm assuming you mean you can feel how someone is as a whole before you know them much, right?

Exactly, which is what makes me fall for someone pretty quick (the few times I do). Until now I my intuition has been accurate. I hope it'll continue being like this forever.


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It's interesting, I have this where people are like 'I never would've thought that this person could scream like that' or whatever (given their calmness or professionalism) when I feel like I totally could see them doing it.

Like this guy, I feel like I know how sex will be with him lol although we never interacted physically. (People on here sometimes provide charts asking how their guy will be in bed. Like I dunno, I'm like can't you see it?)



YES! I can see it with my mom for ex, I mean how people fail to "sense"/understand someone's personality/behavior etc.
It's difficult for me to be surprised by people or events for that reason. Which is this good intuition's bad side, always knowing/sensing things before they happen makes everything boring, to the point that I've lost interest in experiencing almost everything since a young age.


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Omg this. A woman was supposed to be hired. And also that morning (in a dream of course) I just saw how she looked like. I remember vividly, specifically her hair color, hair style and rough/manly voice. All of these were true.

Also once a coworker... Just suddenly from one day to the next nobody heard from her. She couldn't be reached, nothing. She was just gone. A week or 2 later I 'saw her in my dream' at work. And there she was, that same day. (I don't remember for what reason she was taken into jail, till they gave her phone back and everything...)



Isn't it though really useless in the end? In both our cases we dreamt of people who actually didn't prove to be important for us.
Or like with a bus accident.. I dreamt of it maybe a few minutes or even at the same time (I can't know exactly since I was sleeping) it happened. After I get over the initial shock I'm wondering what's the point? I couldn't do anything to somehow prevent that bus accident from happening. Everytime this weird dreams or daily coincidences happen I'm wondering what's the point? It's absolutely useless. I can't even choose when I want to "use" this abillity.
So all these things have no meaning, or at least not one that I understand, which is the exact same thing in the end.

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Interesting what you're saying about Uranus and Neptune. About Uranus keeping you from staying longer than needed. Now I know that I don't. But largely cuz of life experience lol (I stayed 6 years in a marriage and didn't leave cuz I felt bad for the guy) Now I feel like it's my life and can't just pity everyone, so I'm super quick on moving from one person to the next. My chance window is really narrow lol.


The pity part is Neptune's work. Uranus couldn't care less. lol
Did this change happen when T.Pluto was conjuncting your DSC or Neptune?

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I wonder if your Saturn in there contributes to your not having sex yet? I know it has to do with values, but Saturn I'd think is the cause to this value. I might be wrong.

No, you're not wrong at all. Saturn in Aqua in 8th H (ruler of the 7th H) along with Pluto in 5th H in Scorpio (so both strong by sign) are a combo who leads to no sex for sure especially when 7th H has has Uranus or North Node in it like I do. I've seen this combo more times that I can count and it never fails.


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It's interesting I don't know anyone with this Cap placement, like not even family. I wonder if that wouldn't f their Mars up though?

Do you think Jupiter at my eighth house cusp overlay would help?

I have Mars/Neptune opposition myself... This guy again has a Pisces Mars. But his Jupiter is 2 degrees before my eighth house cusp. I wonder if that wouldn't counter the Uranus affects. I need someone specifically to counter those affects lol just a standard Mars contact wouldn't do it for me. My natal Mars is pretty f'ed up - in Cancer conjunct South Node. And Neptune/Uranus in the eighth doesn't help it, especially the Neptune opposing Mars.



I told you this because like you I never felt the need to merge with someone physically even though I've been in love and I've been turned on by the ones I was in love with. (I'm not even difficult to get turned on when I'm in love with someone).
However I didn't ever feel the need to be physical with them. Until I met that Cap Mars guy. His Mars conjunct my natal Neptune (exact), my Uranus (3 orbs) and my North Node (5 orbs). The other aspects were very similar to the ones I've had with the revious ones I fell for. He was the first Cap Mars I've ever known too.
I didn't have sex with him, we live far from each other and there are a few other things blocking us. However it's the first time I ever felt like that.
There is a thread called "Desire to merge", the OP was asking what could cause this and suprisingly no one mentioned Neptune-Mars. She didn't have any Pluto aspects with her bf, she had the Neptune-Mars square. (the conjunction is even better).

His Jupiter is 11° Capricorn?
Which means his Jupiter was opposite your Venus which is a very positive aspect and in your 7t H which is a very positibe placement too especially when it comes to love.
Dis he make yoy feel good?

I'm wondering if his Jupiter in conjunction to your Uranus amplified your 8th H Uranus' negative side instead of helping it in a positive way.

You had T.Pluto in your 7th H and now in your 8th H conjunting all these planets, while T.Saturn has been in your 7th H at the same time. Did these transits affect you a lot? and how?

*I met that Cap Mars guy when T.Pluto was 0.5 orbs away from my NN in 7th H btw.

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But picking up on ones' energy as far as if the 'chemistry' will be good is absolutely true. Like even on forums as such, I know it's weird and you can't really know a person just from one paragraph or something... But I can instantly feel if we will or won't get along ultimately. Even before I interact with them.

Also, it's weird whenever I feel uncomfortable in a person's presence... It's like I can instantly tell if my Moon is unaspected or in square aspect or something... It's like a super uncomfortable energy. And Mercury too, I had this feeling toward someone before knowing anything about Astrology... Like I could never sit around them and just feel like I can chat just about anything really. I just checked our synastry, my Mercury is unaspected. And according to them they never felt this way. And true, all their planets were aspected by my planets.

Like energy is a real thing. It's creepily crazy lol. I'm just saying it cuz I come across so many skeptics and I'm like 'how can you just not feel it'.


Same. I can often pinpoint the exact aspect I have with someone. (Moon-moon, them having an Aries Venus or Mars right on my Moon, them being earth heavy or water heavy, guessing their venus based on their sun sign and being right (which isn't too hard but still takes a feel for the energies). I can sense Leo moons from a mile away (them being in my 12th conjunct my ASC is common)

There's also this thing where I know when someone's Pluto squares my Sun (older people) without knowing their age first.
And I can tell when someone's Pluto conjuncts my Venus (meaning they were born in 86-87-88) without knowing how old they are first. (though it's not SO hard to guess they might be late twenties)
I also guessed my bf's birthday without knowing his age or month and was off by 2 days. It's May 18th 1986 and I immediately felt him being a May 16th 1986 with a Libra rising, and he ended up having a Libra MC.

But as for declinations, I often end up having SO many significant aspects that I think, this is too good to be true ,for me to have parallel moons and parallel venus/mars DWs and Moon/Sun DWs and etc etc etc. So I really want to believe they're real but it almost cheapens astrology entirely for me if it were true because I'd have so many significant connections with people. Granted, they are significant connections. But still...

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I guess people don't think it's relevant.

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Bumping this - after a comment I read recently on the importance of declinations

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Bumping this - after a comment I read recently on the importance of declinations

What thread are you referring to?

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I think declinations are definitely lesser known. In terms of composites and Davisons, I think the energy is subtle. I think it's more important to show up in the actual composite rather than the declinations. But it can be another layer of emphasis. It will not, imo, strengthen a composite that's lackluster tho.

I have had things like a Venus/Moon/Mars parallels in declinations show up & explain why there is extra passion/chemistry. In the composite, it's Venus/Moon and no mars.
Or, venus/mars in conjunct in Davison and not composite or elsewhere.

In synastry, I would get into Alice Portman's theory of duads & dwads more than declinations though. They are extremely accurate. http://aliceportman.com/190/

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In synastry, I would get into Alice Portman's theory of duads & dwads more than declinations though. They are extremely accurate. http://aliceportman.com/190/

This is eerily accurate. According to the duads of Sun/Moon/Mars/ASC/Nodes, I should be attracted to Leo/Cancer/Sagittarius. My guy has Sagittarius ASC, Leo Venus/Saturn and Cancer Mars/Jupiter. 😳 His ASC is also matching my Sag-Sag NN. My Libra Vertex is matching his Libra-Aries NN.

My guy's duads are in Taurus and Aries. I'm a Taurus Sun/Mercury with Jupiter in Aries.

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Meh, I think Portman is a good astrologer all in all, but also think she is overrated. Had some debates with her on astro forum way back when, and was not impressed by how she couldn't keep the debate impersonal and about the information at hand, and started to make personal jab type comments.

Duads etc are all super subtle indications, and it would be better/more helpful for folks to focus more on mastering the holistic synthesis of the main symbols of a chart i.e. the Zodiac, Houses, classical and modern Planets (including Pluto), and Lunar Nodes. If you can read it right, you can glean all the information you need from these symbols.

All the rest will either support an underlying pattern or again, speak to niche or super subtle patterns.

Often when folks haven't yet mastered the art of synthesizing a whole chart, they start to focus on various other things like asteroids, duads, etc because they think they are missing something that can be found outside of the main symbols. Not true, in many cases, they just haven't yet mastered the former yet. It takes most a lot of time and practice to do so. Even for those who have studied it in other lives and/or who have an unusual whole brain balance/integration, it takes a certain amount of time and practice.

No short cuts. Practice makes perfect. Once in a great while, you get a prodigy here and there, a sort of Mozart of astrology, but these are few and far between.

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