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ChildofVenus
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posted March 04, 2019 03:35 PM
  
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Childofvenus; um what? Who said sextiles and trines aren’t included? Lol nobody here said that. Quite the opposite.
I just mean are trines and sextiles good too? Or is it only the conjunctions? IP: Logged |
LunaIscariot
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posted March 04, 2019 03:41 PM
Trines and sextiles are great. But you need conjunctions in a composite, given the nature of what a composite is. It’s the merging of energies. Conjunctions show that merging and coming together. If you don’t have at least 1 conjunction between the personal planets in a composite, there isn’t any merging or enough chemistry/pull towards each other. It wont feel like a relationship, you won’t feel connected. Conjunctions show merging and connection. Conjunctions are a merging of energies. And that’s what a relationship is, is merging and coming together, working together, synthesis, blending two lives together. If you have a scattered chart that’s showing disconnection between two people. You NEED conjunctions in a composite. I’ve studied thousands of charts at this point and have never seen any solid, happy, or long term relationship without at least 1 conjunctions between the personal planets with each other. Meaning, sun conjunct mercury, moon conjunct Venus, or Venus conjunct mars etc. The more the better. IP: Logged |
LunaIscariot
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posted March 04, 2019 03:49 PM
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How about Pluto squaring the love stellium but part of a YoD? The love stellium is also part of 2 wedges involving Moon/Mars/Jupiter. Will it help release the square tension?
Post the chart 
Pluto squares ate probably some of the easiest squares to work with. People like Pluto even if it’s unhealthy because a lot of people equate intensity of feelings with love. So its not perceived as much as a bad thing as opposed to coldness like Saturn squares or deception like Neptune etc. People will tolerate jealousy, controlling or manipulative behaviour if there’s a lot of passion or lust and intensity or compulsive feelings even if it’s inherently toxic. IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus
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posted March 04, 2019 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Trines and sextiles are great. But you need conjunctions in a composite, given the nature of what a composite is. It’s the merging of energies. Conjunctions show that merging and coming together. If you don’t have at least 1 conjunction between the personal planets in a composite, there isn’t any merging or enough chemistry/pull towards each other. It wont feel like a relationship, you won’t feel connected. Conjunctions show merging and connection. Conjunctions are a merging of energies. And that’s what a relationship is, is merging and coming together, working together, synthesis, blending two lives together. If you have a scattered chart that’s showing disconnection between two people. You NEED conjunctions in a composite. I’ve studied thousands of charts at this point and have never seen any solid, happy, or long term relationship without at least 1 conjunctions between the personal planets with each other. Meaning, sun conjunct mercury, moon conjunct Venus, or Venus conjunct mars etc. The more the better.
I understand that makes sense you said oppositions as well. And I have a lot of oppositions with this one guy in our composite. But you said the composite chart was lacking. But we also have Moon conjunct Mercury. I guess there must be too many oppositions and not enough sextiles or trines. We have a lot of oppositions and squares one conjunct and the sextiles aren't between personal planets. I bet that's why too many bad aspects and not enough soft ones. IP: Logged |
LunaIscariot
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posted March 04, 2019 04:49 PM
Yes oppositions act like a conjunction in a composite, but sort of different like a less compatible or harmonious version lol. And it’s showing a sort of opposites attract thing. Couples with lots of oppositions are those couples that are super different and you don’t know why they’re together but somehow it works lol.
So you would interpret a sun opp Venus just like a sun conjunct Venus meaning harmony, affection etc. but also two very different people who have different love styles and sort of balance each other out. Challenges would be more common, so it’s preferable to have just a normal conjunction, but it’s still good just with a different edge. IP: Logged |
Hikaru29
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posted March 05, 2019 02:46 AM
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
. If you don’t have at least 1 conjunction between the personal planets in a composite, there isn’t any merging or enough chemistry/pull towards each other. It wont feel like a relationship, you won’t feel connected. Conjunctions show merging and connection. Conjunctions are a merging of energies. And that’s what a relationship is, is merging and coming together, working together, synthesis, blending two lives together. If you have a scattered chart that’s showing disconnection between two people.
How about scattered planets forming patterns? These usually have very little conjunctions. In your opinion, which are better? Patterns or clustering effect? IP: Logged |
Hikaru29
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posted March 05, 2019 02:52 AM
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Pluto squares ate probably some of the easiest squares to work with.
Really? From what people say Pluto square Sun is like a death sentence. Some say it shows fundamental incompatibility.
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ChildofVenus
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posted March 05, 2019 08:16 AM
How do squares work in a composite?IP: Logged |
LunaIscariot
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posted March 05, 2019 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
How about scattered planets forming patterns? These usually have very little conjunctions. In your opinion, which are better? Patterns or clustering effect?
Good question! And definitely the clustering/conjunctions. Even if you have a scattered chart but forming patterns it’s not enough, you need at least one of those personal planets conjunctions. I’ve actually done research on this myself lol anytime I seen the patterns but no conjunctions the relationships never lasted more than a year, usually only a few months.
Usually if you have a pattern like a grand trine or t-square, you’ll have a conjunction anyways. It’s pretty rare to not have any. Sun conjunct mercury is the most common. IP: Logged |
LunaIscariot
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posted March 05, 2019 01:14 PM
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Really? From what people say Pluto square Sun is like a death sentence. Some say it shows fundamental incompatibility.
Read the rest of that post lol I explained
It has its challenges but like I said, people are willing to tolerate and want to make it work compared to most other squares from the outer planets. I’ve seen quite a few long term relationships with Pluto squares but again, you need to have other good things going on. If you have a weak chart AND the Pluto squares, no chance.
Sun square Pluto is going to show a relationship that is always changing and evolving, and there is going to be some power struggles going on, but it also gives an intensity and compulsiveness which people tend to enjoy. It adds drama and lots of people like that whether they admit it or not. IP: Logged |
margym0o
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posted March 05, 2019 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Anytime you have a love stellium unafflicted, meaning no Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, or Pluto squares or oppositions to it or conjunctions of Saturn/Uranus, that’s unaffflicted. Like I mentioned above, squares or oppositions CAN work if it’s part of a pattern completion and there are other soft (trines/sextiles) aspects being made by that planet as well but it’s still not ideal.
What do you make of a love stellium (Sun/Venus/Mercury) that is trined by Saturn? Still not ideal? IP: Logged |
Bismarck
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posted March 05, 2019 02:11 PM
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What do you make of a love stellium (Sun/Venus/Mercury) that is trined by Saturn? Still not ideal?
I'm not Luna, but that's not an affliction. IP: Logged |
LunaIscariot
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posted March 05, 2019 02:22 PM
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What do you make of a love stellium (Sun/Venus/Mercury) that is trined by Saturn? Still not ideal?
No Saturn trines are great any trines or sextiles by any planet is good. Especially Saturn, this adds a nice stability and supportive influence to the connection. More responsiblily and commitment and focus on practical concerns, which of course inevitably comes into play.
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margym0o
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posted March 05, 2019 02:26 PM
I just posted this chart on another thread but I figured it is appropriate here too.This couple has been together for almost 50 years, which is still mind-boggling to me. Initial impressions can be deceiving if you don't know what to look for!  IP: Logged |
Bismarck
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posted March 05, 2019 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by margym0o:
I just posted this chart on another thread but I figured it is appropriate here too.This couple has been together for almost 50 years, which is still mind-boggling to me. Initial impressions can be deceiving if you don't know what to look for!
Post the davison. Also, a lot of those orbs are too wide. IP: Logged |
margym0o
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posted March 05, 2019 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by Bismarck:
Post the davison. Also, a lot of those orbs are too wide.
Here's their davison -  IP: Logged |
Bismarck
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posted March 05, 2019 04:58 PM
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Here's their davison -
Looks better. IP: Logged |
LunaIscariot
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posted March 05, 2019 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by margym0o:
I just posted this chart on another thread but I figured it is appropriate here too.This couple has been together for almost 50 years, which is still mind-boggling to me. Initial impressions can be deceiving if you don't know what to look for!
Yeah they have Uranus squares but the rest of the chart is so strong that it makes up for it. I’m sure their relationship has its ups and downs and is hot and cold at times and maybe they need a lot of independence and space from each other or they’re an unconventional couple in some way. But they probably have strong Uranus or Aquarius in their own charts I bet or Uranus DSC’s or Venus etc.
But they have the love stellium with mars and Neptune involved and even moon conjunct Venus, and the stellium is making a t-square with Jupiter so it’s really positive. Lots of good things going on. The stellium being in the 8th house adds more stability as well since it’s a fixed house. But mainly it’s the fixed angles with Saturn on the ASC making up for the instabitly of Uranus. If they didn’t have that it might have been a different story lol 👍
You have to look at migrating factors when you see negatives and the synastry and each individuals natals as well. IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus
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posted March 05, 2019 08:33 PM
So the stellium is when the planets are close together like that in one house? IP: Logged |
Hikaru29
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posted March 06, 2019 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Read the rest of that post lol I explained
It has its challenges but like I said, people are willing to tolerate and want to make it work compared to most other squares from the outer planets. I’ve seen quite a few long term relationships with Pluto squares but again, you need to have other good things going on. If you have a weak chart AND the Pluto squares, no chance.
Sun square Pluto is going to show a relationship that is always changing and evolving, and there is going to be some power struggles going on, but it also gives an intensity and compulsiveness which people tend to enjoy. It adds drama and lots of people like that whether they admit it or not.
Yes, I read your post entirely. I know this aspect can be very manipulative/controlling/jealous and also extremely attractive. I've lived it and still find it hard to let go. Anyway, what I wanna know is the part about the fundamental incompatibility which astrologers talked about. Like what? And I thought we mainly assess compatibility through how our personal planets (Sun/Moon/Venus/Mars/Asc) "talk" to each other? Also, since the Sun in Composite represents the man and Moon represents woman (general belief), the Chinese astrologers believe that Sun square Pluto usually means that it is the man who is manipulative/jealous. Do you see this trend? IP: Logged |
LunaIscariot
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posted March 06, 2019 04:07 PM
Are you talking about synasty or composite? IP: Logged |
Hikaru29
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posted March 07, 2019 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Are you talking about synasty or composite?
Sun square Pluto in Composite. What I mean is in synastry we see how the inner planets interact to assess compatibility between 2 people, and perhaps in Composite the same nice aspects are present as well, but why when a Sun square Pluto appears in Composite, it is interpreted as "fundamental incompatibility"? And it off-sets all the other compatibility aspects? IP: Logged |
LunaIscariot
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posted March 07, 2019 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
What I mean is in synastry we see how the inner planets interact to assess compatibility between 2 people, but why when a Sun square Pluto appears in Composite, it is interpreted as fundamental incompatibility, off-setting all the compatibility aspects that may be in their synastry?
Well I don’t agree or believe that so idk. You can never look at one aspect like sun square Pluto in composite and say “fundemental incompatibility”. So I can’t speak for why other people say that, but everyone is always going to have their opinions, doesn’t mean it’s accurrate lol. You can’t and shouldn’t believe everything you read online, a lot of it is just regurgitated. The only way to truly learn or understand astrology is by yourself thru experience and lots of studying real charts of real people you know and real couples and a bit of intuition to be able to synthesize information and recognize patterns etc. Sun square Pluto isn’t a great aspect, id rather not see it than see it. But it’s not a death sentence if you have other positive mitigating factors, like a sun conjunct Venus and sun trine Jupiter say. And maybe Pluto is in a t-square with Neptune and the sun. Neptune will add more softness, forgiveness and tolerance for Pluto’s controlling or jealous ways and drown it out.
Also have to look at the synastry and natals. Are both people Plutonian? They will be able to handle this energy better. Essentially sun square Pluto in the composite it shows a clash of egos, like sun square mars but even stronger since Pluto is more powerful and the higher octave of mars. So =power struggles. Intense power struggles, which show up in the form of subtle or covert (pluto is never obvious) manipulative and controlling behaviours.. That’s why it usually shows jealousy, jealousy is rooted in the fear of losing something you care about and are attached to, and so we want to control. That’s all Pluto stuff. This aspect is subtle but does damage over time.
Since sun is the identity of the relationship in composite, the couples dynamic will always have this theme, the relationship will bring up these issues in each other and they will act them out. It tends to be destructive (Pluto is all about death and rebirth lol), and the relationship will have extreme highs and lows and an element of instability because of the chaotic nature of Pluto. Pluto likes to destroy and rebuild and do it all over again. The couple will test and push and prod each other during these power struggles, usually to see how much the other cares etc. And then they will make up. Lows and then highs. IP: Logged |
Hikaru29
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posted March 07, 2019 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Well I don’t agree or believe that so idk. You can never look at one aspect like sun square Pluto in composite and say “fundemental incompatibility”. So I can’t speak for why other people say that, but everyone is always going to have their opinions, doesn’t mean it’s accurrats lol. You can’t and shouldn’t believe everything you read online, a lot of it is just regurgitated. The only way to truly learn or understand astrology is by yourself thru experience and lots of studying real charts of real people you know and real couples and a bit of intuition to be able to synthesize information and recognize patterns etc. Sun square Pluto isn’t a great aspect, id rather not see it than see it. But it’s not a death sentence if you have other positive mitigating factors, like a sun conjunct Venus and sun trine Neptune say. And maybe Pluto is in a t-square with Neptune and the sun. Neptune will add more softness and forgiveness for Pluto’s harsh nature.
Also have to look at the synastry and natals.
I've not formed an opinion on composite Sun square Pluto because I struggle to understand the fundamental incompatibility often mentioned by astrologers. In fact, we have less quarrels compared to couples who don't have this aspect. Our Pluto is sextile Neptune and Sun is conjunct Venus, Mercury/trine Moon/sextile Mars. I thought that should be enough aspects to have a happy Sun. Unfortunately for me, I don't see this aspect a lot so I can't ask people who have experienced this, and for those on LL who have/had this aspect, I realised that those weren't actual relationships (mostly crushes). You mentioned you saw this aspect in several composites. How was those like? IP: Logged |
LunaIscariot
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posted March 07, 2019 10:26 AM
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