posted February 28, 2019 12:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Hi CuriousV,
Mixed feelings regarding your Davison. On one hand, you have some really nice pattern formations - house, kites, mystic rectangle - which indicates very nice flow of energies. However the Moon & Sun are also part of a t-square which means basic lack of understanding between the couple, and Neptune there just adds confusion. The Moon & Neptune have an outlet in the kite so the tensions can be released but the Sun doesn't have an outlet so very likely that t-square tension will all be choked at the apex Sun. If you think of the Sun as the man, he will likely be the one not feeling good about whatever that's lacking.

Similarly for the other t-square involving Saturn/Uranus/Mars where Uranus lacks an outlet and the fact that it's in 1st house emphasises its erratic energy. Being the apex of the t-square and without an outlet of release may just cause it to go out of control.

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Thank you, Hikaru, for your input.

Hhmm, I am a bit concerned now. I posted this chart in another thread and Lunalscariot weighed in on it saying the following:

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Mystic rectangles in the Davison show a lot of structure and stability within those planets. It’s a great thing.
The kites/grandtrine shows a lot of harmony and ease within your relationship.
Whenever I see these types of pattern configurations in the relationship charts, it’s a solid indicator of a long-term relationship. 9 times out of 10 IME. It’s definitely very positive

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I did see the Uranus Saturn Mars square but didn't even notice the Sun Moon Neptune one. So now I am concerned Do you think that these two squares will overpower all of the kites and rectangles that we have going on?

posted February 28, 2019 12:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
They are all important. The synastry shows attraction and how you make each other feel, which areas you're compatible and which areas you clash, etc. The Composite shows a relationship potential and the Davison IMO (different people have different take) gives a more realistic view. People usually lean towards one or the other.

The Chinese astrologers believe that Composite shows what can happen and the Davison shows the eventual outcome, so for e.g. in Composite you have Mars opposite Uranus which shows a very unstable energy but in Davison you may have Mars sextile Uranus. This means that the couple may adjust and be able to manage the unstable opposition energy over time, turning it into one that's stimulating and fun.

I usually pick out repeated aspects in these charts as they show the relationship's main theme(s).

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I see. I was looking at our Composite and it looks totally different from Davison. I was wondering if you can look at it and see if you can pick on any aspects that would offset the 2 squares in our Davison or anything else that points to a positive dynamic of the relationship overall. Thank you!

posted March 02, 2019 03:18 PM            

How's it going? Sorry I haven't logged in here for a week or so, to see your message sooner.

The aspect grid is what you get beneath a chart, where you can see the little symbols showing the aspects between the planets. When you are in Astro.com and looking at a chart though, if you look just above it to the left you will see 'pdf additional tables' and this will open up a separate document with all of the 'aspect grids'! It's easier for us and also to see the exact degrees of the planets so we can make out the connections better. I hope that clarifies.

In terms of childhood, this is indicated by the 4th House, the ruler of the 4th House, the Moon and Chiron. In your mans' case, 4th House ruler conjunct Chiron, shows some wounds with self-expression and Moon conjunct North node indicates a lot to learn about emotions and how to express and interact on that level, which of course your Ascendant will make very obvious.

Long-distance isn't easy when you barely know one another but what will be will be. There is potential for more than friendship but it could go either way, depending on how much input you both decide to have ;-)

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posted March 03, 2019 10:40 AM            

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Originally posted by CuriousV:
I did see the Uranus Saturn Mars square but didn't even notice the Sun Moon Neptune one. So now I am concerned Do you think that these two squares will overpower all of the kites and rectangles that we have going on?

I was trying to find more stuff to read about the Sun Moon square in Davison but couldn't find anything.

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Sorry, I don't believe in predictive astrology. I've 3 kites with my ex. Didn't last. My friend and her ex-husband have an envelope and a t-square. Cheated on her twice and divorced. But did we have nice energies together? A resounding yes. We've never had heated arguments. These patterns show how the energies flow but they cannot predict longevity. On the other hand, there're many long-term couples w/o nice pattern formations in their charts.

I believe you will feel all the energies. Which will triumph is hard to say as it also depends on your natal. Some people take tension better than others.

I'm always wary of Neptune squares because I've strong Neptune in my chart. But if your natal shows you as a very grounded person then you have less to worry. However, unrealistic expectations and disappointments are still possibilities.

As for Sun-Moon square, just talking about the aspect alone, it can mean having very different values and cannot agree on what you both want and need.

posted March 05, 2019 02:10 PM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
Hi CuriousV

How's it going? Sorry I haven't logged in here for a week or so, to see your message sooner.

The aspect grid is what you get beneath a chart, where you can see the little symbols showing the aspects between the planets. When you are in Astro.com and looking at a chart though, if you look just above it to the left you will see 'pdf additional tables' and this will open up a separate document with all of the 'aspect grids'! It's easier for us and also to see the exact degrees of the planets so we can make out the connections better. I hope that clarifies.

In terms of childhood, this is indicated by the 4th House, the ruler of the 4th House, the Moon and Chiron. In your mans' case, 4th House ruler conjunct Chiron, shows some wounds with self-expression and Moon conjunct North node indicates a lot to learn about emotions and how to express and interact on that level, which of course your Ascendant will make very obvious.

Long-distance isn't easy when you barely know one another but what will be will be. There is potential for more than friendship but it could go either way, depending on how much input you both decide to have ;-)

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Thank you so much for your input, Waxlobster.

Below is the chart with the grid. I hope this is the correct table? Please let me know what you see...

And when you said that my ASC will make it obvious when it comes to his wounding in terms of self-expression and emotions, do you mean I will help him feel more comfortable with expressing his emotions or the opposite - he will feel awkward about being open about his feelings with me?

I also just noticed that his Vertex loosely conjuncts my IC which means his Anti-Vertex in on my MC. Any significance to this?

And another thing - that my South Node conjuncts his DSC. Does this mean that we will feel very familiar to each other in terms how we interact with one another when we are alone together, like at home, etc?

posted March 08, 2019 03:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Sorry, I don't believe in predictive astrology. I've 3 kites with my ex. Didn't last. My friend and her ex-husband have an envelope and a t-square. Cheated on her twice and divorced. But did we have nice energies together? A resounding yes. We've never had heated arguments. These patterns show how the energies flow but they cannot predict longevity. On the other hand, there're many long-term couples w/o nice pattern formations in their charts.

I believe you will feel all the energies. Which will triumph is hard to say as it also depends on your natal. Some people take tension better than others.

I'm always wary of Neptune squares because I've strong Neptune in my chart. But if your natal shows you as a very grounded person then you have less to worry. However, unrealistic expectations and disappointments are still possibilities.

As for Sun-Moon square, just talking about the aspect alone, it can mean having very different values and cannot agree on what you both want and need.

EDIT: Energies cannot be offset. You can only work around them. Anyway I usually pick out repeated themes first as it shows you the main story, e.g. Mars square Uranus shows up again in your Composite and it conjuncts Ascendant. Anything in 1H esp on the Ascendant will be very obvious and will definitely be felt. Neptune square Sun is also there again. Read these together could be that this new LDR will present a lot of uncertainty and makes you both (or him if you think of Sun as the man) unsure where this r/s is heading. But don't just focus on the negatives. There are good things too, e.g. Saturn on angle is binding.

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Thank you, Hikaru. Yes, I agree with you that astrology is just merely a tool to try and get a better understanding of overall energies between two people and even then, sometimes those with great synastry don't make it while someone with seemingly impossible aspects stay together.

I've read on all of those aspects. I am not too concerned about Sun/Neptune square. I know it's not a favorable aspects to have but from what I understand, both astrologers and a lot of people who have this say that both people in the relationship have to be totally honest with both themselves and their partner. Only then the delusions, self-deception, disappointments that stem from lying about yourself and how you see your partner could be avoided or dealt with in the course of the relationship. Of course, both people need to be pretty self-aware and willing to be totally open and vulnerable and realistic about their expectations with each other.

But the Mars/Uranus square is kinda bothersome. I read that it is a sign of impulsiveness, “I want what I want and I want it now” kinda attitude and can lead to a lot of misunderstandings, rush decisions and ever combative behavior between two people. I used to be much more stubborn/inflexible, impulsive and hot-headed when in my twenties but have done a lot of self-work and calmed down big time since then... however, I know that those are still my shadow traits and if triggered, they can easily surface. I don’t know how he is when it comes to those tendencies. If he is easily triggered that could be a potential for some negative interactions in the relationship.

posted March 11, 2019 12:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
^ The problem with Neptune is sometimes the people involved don't know they're misleading the other and can't see the reality of each other. Neptune square Sun can also make the relationship seem directionless. I know a couple with composite Neptune square Sun/Mercury who are like this. It didn't help that they also have Neptune harsh aspects in synastry and natal.

Saturn will balance this but it will not totally eradicate Neptune esp if you're by nature Neptunian.

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posted March 11, 2019 12:54 PM            

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Originally posted by CuriousV:
What does being Neptunian mean? Having Sun in Pisces or Neptune in the 1st House?

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"You may be Neptunian if you have a strong natal Neptune. This may be the case if your natal Neptune is the most or least aspected planet in your natal chart, is a singleton, the apex planet of a T-square, is at a critical or anuretic degree, if conjunct your natal Sun, Moon, or angular house cusp, or is in the 1st house. You may also experience being Neptunian if you have lots of planets in Pisces or the 12th house."

posted March 11, 2019 02:30 PM            

Usually when people probe so much so early on it's because they're feeling doubtful about the connection and they're trying to find out why. If you feel like that at all, then THAT is what you should be focusing on, and not trying to lull yourself into complacency because the charts supposedly suggest that you're destined to be together.

Likewise, if you're feeling really positive about the connection, GO FOR IT! Don't let some generic explanations of a few bad aspects dictate how you view him or your relationship together, because too much negative thinking and it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy where you LOOK for the bad because you're hyper-aware of it.

As Hikaru29 said there are just as many long-term couples with garbage charts as there are with positive ones and vice versa, so follow your heart

posted March 11, 2019 04:14 PM            

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Originally posted by CuriousV:
I see. I was looking at our Composite and it looks totally different from Davison. I was wondering if you can look at it and see if you can pick on any aspects that would offset the 2 squares in our Davison or anything else that points to a positive dynamic of the relationship overall. Thank you!

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hi CuriousV

well you finally got around to post a real composite.... davison's composite are not even based on astrology. they are based on calendrical calculations. the only planets that are the same are the moon/sun and node. the outer planets can be close but usually they too are much different. Also most astrolgers don't even realize that Davison himself had reservations about his creation later in his life.
I find davisons useless because you can't make accurate predictions. any one who calls them selves a astrologer and doesn't work with predictions is a philosopher...

this blather about midpoint composite being how you are seen is ridiculous. midpoint composites can some times tell when relationship's began and when they might end.
they show the exact nature of the relationship and it has absolutely nothing to do with other peoples "opinions".

could you post another composite adding some symbols?
use astro.com and add from display options:

true node,descending node:
reduce orb 20%,check on all objects box

addition objects :
vertex,ceres,juno,pallas,
vesta,eris,nessus,orcus,
Sedna,ixion,pholous,

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eros(433),psyche(16),true lilith(h13),aura(1488)

I'll look at your composite when I finish with current my commitment.
todd

posted March 11, 2019 05:57 PM            

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"You may be Neptunian if you have a strong natal Neptune. This may be the case if your natal Neptune is the most or least aspected planet in your natal chart, is a singleton, the apex planet of a T-square, is at a critical or anuretic degree, if conjunct your natal Sun, Moon, or angular house cusp, or is in the 1st house. You may also experience being Neptunian if you have lots of planets in Pisces or the 12th house."

Try this test - https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/03/28/how-strong-is-your-neptune-here’s-the-score/

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posted March 11, 2019 06:02 PM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
CuriousV - please please PLEASE don't rule anything in or out as far as this relationship is concerned so early on, especially when you're both still just getting to know each other.

Usually when people probe so much so early on it's because they're feeling doubtful about the connection and they're trying to find out why. If you feel like that at all, then THAT is what you should be focusing on, and not trying to lull yourself into complacency because the charts supposedly suggest that you're destined to be together.

Likewise, if you're feeling really positive about the connection, GO FOR IT! Don't let some generic explanations of a few bad aspects dictate how you view him or your relationship together, because too much negative thinking and it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy where you LOOK for the bad because you're hyper-aware of it.

As Hikaru29 said there are just as many long-term couples with garbage charts as there are with positive ones and vice versa, so follow your heart

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posted March 11, 2019 08:00 PM            

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Originally posted by CuriousV:
Thank you so much Todd for offering to look at our Composite. I hope I added everything exactly as it needs to be. Please let me know if I need to correct anything.

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looks good
i'll look at it tonight and will interpret it tomorrow.
todd

posted March 12, 2019 06:13 PM            

with mercury sextile to Uranus ad trine to chiron,you might have common dreams and you have good communications with each other and born of you are aware and forward looking.Sedna is conjunct chiron and trine to mercury/sun which shows there is a right degree of openness and truth between you. you have a trust for each other that allows you to reveal your inner most feelings.

the sun/moon midpoint is conjunct the stellium on the ascendant so the relationship is definitely serious and will become committed or end. this is not an affair or meaning less dalliance.

with the moon square to ceres and the midpoint conjunct the nadir, the supporting, nurturing and devotional connections are very strong. with palls your entire spirit of your life. is elevated.
with the eros/psyche midpoint square to the moon and opposed to ceres, there is a very strong romantic and idealistic feeling to the relationship.

with the Saturn/psyche midpoint square to lilth, you are the type of woman that he is most attracted to, almost a dream woman .

the venus/nessus square does need to be considered and this can show a colder emotional connection and as the midpoint is also square to Lilith and conjunct the Saturn/psyche midpoint,there is a combination of symbols that can be associated with ....darker emotional interest. that is dynamics of pleasure/pain-love/hate

Saturn does show that he might not let on how entranced he is with you.

with venus conjunct to pluto,these subtle influences need to be pointed out as pluto love can be selfish and carnal rather than loving and intimate.pluto adds to the sexual intensity but it can be predatory to the degree that after the conquest and satiation sets in, then the emotional intimacy can decline.
of course pluto can bring deep emotional felling but, with the Saturn/psych-venus/nessus in the subconscious any insensitivity should be noted.

with Saturn square to the vertex, there is a feeling of security and stability. And with the moon/venus midpoint opposed to the vertex , these feeling of security are tied t a strong love and devotional feelings.
the vertex often gives a "supernatural" intensity to the love. Feelings of uniqueness that betrays destiny bringing you together.

Jupiter is biquintile to Uranus and ixion. this also can be problematic as it can manifest as a controlling dynamic in the relationship. it can lead to breakups if one partner has to control the relationship and force the other to make all compromises while one makes not compromises

just last cautionary note. vertex's energy can be very difficult to integrate into a relationship, because often the responses you would expect for the experience of the intensity of the love, does not always "change" or ameliorate the rough emotional edges that might exist.

it seems the relationship will fall or succeed on the capacity to compromise.

todd

posted March 14, 2019 02:04 PM            

We have a very strong bond, even so early on but it's apparent that we both are impatient people and there have been a couple of times where I felt an urge to manipulate a situation which I am pretty aware of now but as we all know, when a relationship has progressed and people feel comfortable with each other, most negative behavior habits can easily resurface unconsciously. So definitely something to watch out for in terms of power struggle, wanting it my way, possessiveness, etc.

Can I ask you if you could tell me what your thoughts on our Synastry (that was my original post actually)...from what I understand, Composite shows the actual relationship as a separate entity while Synastry shows how each person interacts with the other. Originally, I was concerned about our Suns as well as my Moon being unaspected...but others pointed out that node and angle conjunctions are definitely significant and should "compensate" for that.

Are there any other aspects that you feel are significant? I've added some asteroids, not sure if they matter though...

Thank you in advance!

posted March 14, 2019 06:23 PM            

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Originally posted by CuriousV:
Wow! Todd thank you so much for such a detail interpretation!! This sounds very promising, lots of positives from what I read although caution should be given to Orcus, Nessus and Uranus/Ixion dynamics.

We have a very strong bond, even so early on but it's apparent that we both are impatient people and there have been a couple of times where I felt an urge to manipulate a situation which I am pretty aware of now but as we all know, when a relationship has progressed and people feel comfortable with each other, most negative behavior habits can easily resurface unconsciously. So definitely something to watch out for in terms of power struggle, wanting it my way, possessiveness, etc.

Can I ask you if you could tell me what your thoughts on our Synastry (that was my original post actually)...from what I understand, Composite shows the actual relationship as a separate entity while Synastry shows how each person interacts with the other. Originally, I was concerned about our Suns as well as my Moon being unaspected...but others pointed out that node and angle conjunctions are definitely significant and should "compensate" for that.

Are there any other aspects that you feel are significant? I've added some asteroids, not sure if they matter though...

Thank you in advance!

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so i'm sure the other poster on this topic would much more reliable than I could be.

posted March 14, 2019 08:58 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:

I don't use synastry very much because the composite will show the change that partners under go after a relationship forms. I'm sure you've heard:"he/she wasn't like that before we got together"

so i'm sure the other poster on this topic would much more reliable than I could be.

I have coined a saying: "synastry shows how you hit it off, composite shows how get it on"

if you insist,thoguh, you have to post a synastry chart with degrees shown.the best I can do is relate the synastry to the composite.

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I like your comparison - hitting it off vs getting it on If you don't mind and have some time, I'd appreciate your take on the Synastry since it's still fairly new...

I am not sure if these are the right charts?? Please let me know. Thank you again!

posted March 14, 2019 10:05 PM            

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Originally posted by CuriousV:
I like your comparison - hitting it off vs getting it on If you don't mind and have some time, I'd appreciate your take on the Synastry since it's still fairly new...

I am not sure if these are the right charts?? Please let me know. Thank you again!

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