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Hikaru29
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posted March 13, 2019 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found this info on a Chinese astrology site and translated it below. Ignore the past life stuff if you don't believe it like me, but I included them to give a more complete interpretation.

The best placements for composite North Node are 4, 5, 7, 8, 10 as they really give the couple a shared purpose.

The worst placements are 6, 12 as these are heavily karmic so the relationship may not turn out well even if the couple managed to stay together. 11 is also bad because the couple involved may feel all lovey-dovey but realised that they don't suit each other and are better off as friends.

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1st House (SN in 7th):
Past life: You were partners who were too reliant on each other, cutting off the outside world.

This life: You need to learn to be independent and not rely too much on each other to meet your needs.

2nd House (SN in 8th):
Past life: Lovers who went through a dramatic love-hate relationship but failed to achieve shared values & security.

This life: You need to build security within your relationship and avoid being too possessive. You need to balance your emotional needs against outside influences.

3rd House (SN in 9th):
Past life: You were classmates/comrades/travel companions who explored life together and grew spiritually.

This life: Here to build a pure and close relationship akin to siblings. (sounds incestous if you're a romantic couple, lol )

4th House (SN in 10th):
Past life: You were too focused on ensuring that the other party was of help to your personal achievements, and failed to build relationship foundation & intimacy.

This life: To build a family-type of relationship encompassing trust & intimacy.

(If SN conjuncts MC, it shows a relationship that lacks foundation, thus the couple needs to build intimacy or risk the relationship coming to an end and if it happens, the couple needs to move on w/o ill feelings because this may likely occur.)

5th House (SN in 11th):
Past life: You used to be soul mates with great chemistry and similar pursuits. You were also very loyal to each other.

This life: You're here to experience a love relationship which will benefit you both greatly. As 5th house also rules children, the couple are also suited to have children together.

6th House (SN in 12th):
Past life: With SN in 12th, you will have a strange feeling that you have "unfinished business" although you may not actually have any karmic debts with each other.

This life: If you decide to enter into a relationship, you should actualise your feelings and give of your love freely instead of being stuck in a state of confusion.

7th House (SN in 1st):
Past life: You had a superficial relationship and both were too self-centred.

This life: Need to learn how to cooperate as partners, presenting a united front to the outside world. You will grow as a couple.

8th House (SN in 2nd):
Past life: You were too focused on material possessions and building a sense of security, lacking in the area of emotional intimacy and passion.

This life: You need to learn how to trust each other whole-heartedly and be willing to merge with the other completely - body & soul.

9th House (SN in 3rd):
Past life: Siblings in your past life or childhood friends so you had a family bond.

This life: As you've built a family bond in your past life, this life you'll feel extremely comfortable with each other from the get-go. Together, you may learn and grow in the areas of higher learning, philosophy, religion, spirituality.

10th House (SN in 4th):
Past life: Past life family members with a strong family bond.

This life: Just like NN in 9th, there exists a level of comfort between you from the get-go. Together, you need to grow as a couple. As to which area of growth, look to the house placement of your MC ruler.

(If NN conjuncts MC, it will give great desire to the couple to progress in the area indicated by the MC ruler.)

11th House (SN in 5th):
Past life: You were star-crossed lovers who couldn't be together.

This life: If your NN is in this placement, and your composite Moon also receives harsh aspect from Pluto, it will continue to create obstacles in your relationship (it may not even take off). You need to let nature take its own course... perhaps start off as friends first. You may also experience a relationship together and then retreat to being friends as it seems more suitable for you both.

12th House (SN in 6th):
Past life: Your relationship was ladened with heavy responsibilities and servitude.

This life: This is a difficult placement and both parties need to let nature take its own course. The best approach is to let your feelings guide you and the relationship. Do not let traditional/societal views restrict your relationship.

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posted March 13, 2019 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aamhz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the translation! My last relation was NN 11, and I can confirm the "past star-crossed lovers/ultimately better off as friends" meaning.

We started off instantly hot (SN 5), and many times I threw out offers and/or suggestions on how to change the tone of our relationship (11 - "friends", non-romantic), so the last sentence resonates too.

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posted March 13, 2019 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've experienced 12th house NN. It was an unequal partnership in which I felt oppressed, used and abused.

My friend has 2 relationships with 6th house NN. Both were turbulent with her sacrificing a lot for the guy.

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posted March 13, 2019 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manymoones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting, my husband and I have composite 12th house NN in Capricorn.

Our composite NN is conjunct Sun and Saturn as well.

So far so good, lol...

I feel it could definitely be karmic, but not necessarily in a bad way.

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posted March 13, 2019 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is Interpersonal Astrology. Moving it there.

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posted March 13, 2019 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for this.

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posted March 14, 2019 01:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by manymoones:
Interesting, my husband and I have composite 12th house NN in Capricorn.

Our composite NN is conjunct Sun and Saturn as well.

So far so good, lol...

I feel it could definitely be karmic, but not necessarily in a bad way.


Do share... how does it feel karmic?

I must correct myself that my bad relationship probably has nothing to do with NN in 12th but it just so happens that NN is there, lol. Same for my friends' 2 relationships.

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posted March 14, 2019 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hikaru29

That ex I told you about with our composite Sun-Moon-Pluto in the 4th house, we also have Venus-Neptune-NN in the 5th (Pluto trine the nodes). Funny, even though we talked about not wanting children, energetically it was there...

The 5th house “this-life purpose” idea seems a bit far-sighted considering he gave up on it. Boo hoo. Otherwise, my relationship to the potential fits the description.

With the love affair that came before this last ex, that guy and I have 11-NN with a Moon square Pluto like the description says. From star-crossed to never getting off the ground despite hands-down best synastry (and sex) ever, really resonates. Kind of funny to read this and put it to rest. Him and I have talked about “is it possible for us to be friends?”

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posted March 14, 2019 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manymoones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Do share... how does it feel karmic?


Just that we have known each other for a very long time. We were magnetically drawn to each other when we first met 10 years ago. More of a feeling, like there's more to it than meets the eye.

We have each helped each other heal various aspects of ourselves. He has strengths I do not possess (or just aren't very developed), and vice versa. We make a good team.

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posted March 14, 2019 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vansio:
[b]Hikaru29

That ex I told you about with our composite Sun-Moon-Pluto in the 4th house, we also have Venus-Neptune-NN in the 5th (Pluto trine the nodes). Funny, even though we talked about not wanting children, energetically it was there...

The 5th house “this-life purpose” idea seems a bit far-sighted considering he gave up on it. Boo hoo. Otherwise, my relationship to the potential fits the description.
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What do you mean by "energetically it was there"? Well, the Nodes don't promise everlasting love. Perhaps the both of you were meant to experience deep love together and that was it. Like a journey.

The last guy I was with (actually I don't know if I should use the word "last" because I've a feeling we're not over yet), we also have NN in 5th and we both desired a child together. It was such a strong feeling esp on his part. I personally feel that a love affair with NN in 5th is an unforgettable one. I know we'll always have a soft spot for each other... that is provided our Pluto square Sun doesn't turn us into enemies (lol).

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posted March 14, 2019 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by manymoones:
Just that we have known each other for a very long time. We were magnetically drawn to each other when we first met 10 years ago. More of a feeling, like there's more to it than meets the eye.

We have each helped each other heal various aspects of ourselves. He has strengths I do not possess (or just aren't very developed), and vice versa. We make a good team.


Ah... that's perhaps how NN in 12th works. Always in mysterious ways and that's why you have to just let your feelings guide you.

I wonder why mine turned out so badly. Haha..

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posted March 14, 2019 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manymoones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps you learned everything you needed to from it, and nature had run its course! Or perhaps he/she was just a huge jerk LOL and it was good riddance

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posted March 14, 2019 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
more like, creating things together

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posted March 15, 2019 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by manymoones:
Or perhaps he/she was just a huge jerk LOL and it was good riddance

More like this. lol

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posted March 16, 2019 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HieronymusTush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great post, thank you for this!

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posted March 17, 2019 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aamhz:
Thanks for the translation! My last relation was NN 11, and I can confirm the "past star-crossed lovers/ultimately better off as friends" meaning.

We started off instantly hot (SN 5), and many times I threw out offers and/or suggestions on how to change the tone of our relationship (11 - "friends", non-romantic), so the last sentence resonates too.


I suddenly thought of my relationship with NN in 5th. I remember telling him that if we'd not gotten romantically involved, we would've become very good friends. I don't know why I said that but I just felt strongly about it. Perhaps I attune more to our SN because it conjuncts my natal Sun. He, on the other hand, was very sure our relationship was meant to happen (probably he attunes more to our NN).

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posted March 18, 2019 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’ve experienced compNN in 8th house twice, and both times it ended in a very long break up period, where it was hard to sort out all attachments. The last relationship produced a child.. so we’ll be broken up, but attached forever.

Another significant r/s had compNN in 6th house. We had a wonderful connection on a spiritual and creative level. We helped each other a lot with psychological issues and day to day stuff. I helped him to develope a healthier lifestyle .. we did a lot of cleaning and maintaining. His apartment never looked better!

Currently I’m dealing with compNN in 7th house! We both have that in our natal charts, so I wonder how this will play out!

BTW a general question:

Is the composite NN something that will ultimately play out in the relationship? Or is it more a ‘potential energy’ like in the natal chart. A direction you should work on, but will most likely never continually be able to reach, since the pull of the SN is more compelling. ??

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posted March 18, 2019 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ana_bee:
BTW a general question:

Is the composite NN something that will ultimately play out in the relationship? Or is it more a ‘potential energy’ like in the natal chart. A direction you should work on, but will most likely never continually be able to reach, since the pull of the SN is more compelling. ??


It shows the purpose and direction of a relationship so my take is the couple will keep working towards it (and on it) like a continuous growth thing.

From cafeastrology: "When a planet conjuncts the North Node in the composite chart, there can be a real sense of purpose and direction in the relationship. When the North Node is challenged, there can be a feeling that the relationship is not conducive to growth."

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posted March 18, 2019 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"6th House (SN in 12th):
Past life: With SN in 12th, you will have a strange feeling that you have "unfinished business" although you may not actually have any karmic debts with each other.

This life: If you decide to enter into a relationship, you should actualise your feelings and give of your love freely instead of being stuck in a state of confusion."

I'm not sure what that means. Can anyone explain?

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posted March 18, 2019 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
"6th House (SN in 12th):
Past life: With SN in 12th, you will have a strange feeling that you have "unfinished business" although you may not actually have any karmic debts with each other.

This life: If you decide to enter into a relationship, you should actualise your feelings and give of your love freely instead of being stuck in a state of confusion."

I'm not sure what that means. Can anyone explain?


Sorry, I should have translated it better but the Chinese version was vague.

Lemme try again... As the 12th house is the house of subconscious, SN being here may delude you into feeling that you have "unfinished business" with each other, yet this feeling can be fuzzy/confusing and may affect how you wanna direct this relationship. So the advice is to get out of this state of confusion and just do what you will, meaning If you love each other and wanna be together, just do it. Just give of your love freely.

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posted March 18, 2019 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Sorry, I should have translated it better but the Chinese version was vague.

Lemme try again... As the 12th house is the house of subconscious, SN being here may delude you into feeling that you have "unfinished business" with each other, yet this feeling can be fuzzy/confusing and may affect how you wanna direct this relationship. So the advice is to get out of this state of confusion and just do what you will, meaning If you love each other and wanna be together, just do it. Just give of your love freely.


Well that doesn't sound too bad. I guess NN in the 12th is worse and that's where the bad rep is coming from?

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posted March 18, 2019 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manymoones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:

From cafeastrology: "When a planet conjuncts the North Node in the composite chart, there can be a real sense of purpose and direction in the relationship. When the North Node is challenged, there can be a feeling that the relationship is not conducive to growth."


Ahh, interesting! We have NN conjunct both Sun and Saturn in the 12th in Capricorn. I definitely feel the "purpose" thing <3

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posted March 19, 2019 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
Well that doesn't sound too bad. I guess NN in the 12th is worse and that's where the bad rep is coming from?

It seems like anything in 12th is bad, lol. Put a Moon there and emotions are blocked. Put a Sun there and the relationship lacks direction.

I've known a couple with NN in 12th (along with Sun/Mercury/Venus) and their union lasted 16yrs although it was an extremely turbulent one. I'm not sure if it's because of NN in 12th though. Could be other aspects.

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I've had a number of which are 8th house NN tightly conjunct Uranus and Juno in Sagittarius!

These ones all have Gemini SN conjunct Chiron as well in the 2nd house.

I'm not sure how it's gone, but it does seem there is a near tight-rope type of trust wariness between us at times, and we tend towards suddenly interacting like no time has passed, or not interacting for weeks (or more) on end. With one of them it's like we orbit for about 6 months and then chat, then nothing.

I've had three types here; romantic, platonic, sibling. Each person has the same composite placement with me (they are all close in age) and those are the types of relationships I have/had with them. Only the romantic-ish one was not as long standing, it struggled to become platonic and lasting, but the purely platonic one has lasted much longer. The sibling one obviously is comfortably 'whenever', so it works. Trust has been slow built with all of them, despite having an innate sense of deep trust either way.

I would say the level of intimacy is weird though. Sometimes it is very deep, as if we've known each other forever- and yet at the same time seems to be like an entirely new person with very surface level trust. Quite strange.

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posted March 19, 2019 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
It seems like anything in 12th is bad, lol. Put a Moon there and emotions are blocked. Put a Sun there and the relationship lacks direction.

I've known a couple with NN in 12th (along with Sun/Mercury/Venus) and their union lasted 16yrs although it was an extremely turbulent one. I'm not sure if it's because of NN in 12th though. Could be other aspects.


What about mars in the 12th?

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