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HieronymusTush
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posted April 10, 2019 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HieronymusTush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read so many conflicting things about this: Are squares to the SN/NN axis in the synastry good, or bad?

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posted April 18, 2019 01:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by HieronymusTush:
I read so many conflicting things about this: Are squares to the SN/NN axis in the synastry good, or bad?


It's not easy to understand the nodal aspects cause I believe it depends a lot on the whole picture. Basically, I think the nodal squares are not good or bad on their own, they might focus on what one should be more aware of, about their compatibility, or signal that there's a difference in the individual direction/purpose of the aspect involved. They're always karmic, but then what this karma is about depends on the whole synastry patterns, I guess.

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posted April 18, 2019 02:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HieronymusTush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
It's not easy to understand the nodal aspects cause I believe it depends a lot on the whole picture. Basically, I think the nodal squares are not good or bad on their own, they might focus on what one should be more aware of, about their compatibility, or signal that there's a difference in the individual direction/purpose of the aspect involved. They're always karmic, but then what this karma is about depends on the whole synastry patterns, I guess.

I’ve read on numerous sources that one’s planet squaring the nodal axis is a quite severe aspect, and that many long-term couples have it.

I have experienced Mars square the nodal axis (double whammy) in Synastry as... quite difficult. It has been quite difficult to cohabit and find a mellow middle ground with this person. It is a lot of working through things, by which I mean we can never agree on something with an already set notion or belief we had before. It always has to change, and it always has to do with set values or a habit. It’s so energy consuming.

I have also read that nodal squares are extra impactful because they effect both nodes and energize one to integrate the south node to the north node. Some call these people who trigger both of our nodes our Skipped steps? In this manner, it looks like they are more ‘eventful’ than a conjunction, so why is it not written on more?

So I was wondering how you would compare a nodal square to a conjunction...

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posted April 18, 2019 04:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by HieronymusTush:
I’ve read on numerous sources that one’s planet squaring the nodal axis is a quite severe aspect, and that many long-term couples have it.

I have experienced Mars square the nodal axis (double whammy) in Synastry as... quite difficult. It has been quite difficult to cohabit and find a mellow middle ground with this person. It is a lot of working through things, by which I mean we can never agree on something with an already set notion or belief we had before. It always has to change, and it always has to do with set values or a habit. It’s so energy consuming.

I have also read that nodal squares are extra impactful because they effect both nodes and energize one to integrate the south node to the north node. Some call these people who trigger both of our nodes our Skipped steps? In this manner, it looks like they are more ‘eventful’ than a conjunction, so why is it not written on more?

So I was wondering how you would compare a nodal square to a conjunction...


I think it's controversial as you said, I also read different opinions on this... but most of the times I find that whether nodal aspects are squares or conjunctions, then it is usually fitting a pattern in the whole synastry... not always so, but I try to understand a meaning linked to a whole picture (and it's not easy though!)...

I can see how Mars square nodes might be challenging, cause if the nodes show a potential karma in that particular area of the r/s, Mars square is a "blocked" energy to it, I would literally read it as "this is not working out"... but still, is this the only aspect you would link to that challenge you have experienced?

For instance, I wouldn't see a Moon or even Saturn square nodes as much severe as Mars, cause Mars squares are more aggressive, I think... and I wouldn't see Mars square nodes on its own as being so severe whether other aspects are good and balanced, maybe just that the Mars block is the weak aspect one has to get aware about.

The fact that many long term couples have nodal squares might be explained by the fact that a long term relationship is on its own a lasting challenge :-D and it is obviously "karmic"... but I found also a long terms couples, or close relatives, or long term friends, having nodes conjunctions. And short term r/s having squares or conjunctions... I mean, I doubt there are statistics, lol

Nodes contacts seem to always trigger awareness in karmic terms... with squares maybe I would see it as: what potential outcome we might deal with in challenging conditions, whether we're able or not able to deal with, still in karmic terms of "what we might make out of it"... In this sense, it's more eventful as you say. So what about conjunctions? They say, it's karmic, fated, it describes what you potentially share along a karmic path... but how can a karmic path be without challenges? so, I'm not sure of the difference, actually... but I agree that there's not much clear explanation, and a lot of different opinions on this.

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posted April 18, 2019 05:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HieronymusTush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see. Sasstrology quotes composite nodal squares by Mars as particularly challenging as well.

Alright, then may I ask how you would see double whammy SN conjunctions (Sun conj SN, Moon conj SN) coupled with the said Mars sq nodal axis? This is another thing I never seem to find anything on... SN conjunctions coupled with squares to the nodal axis...

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posted April 18, 2019 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by HieronymusTush:
I see. Sasstrology quotes composite nodal squares by Mars as particularly challenging as well.

Alright, then may I ask how you would see double whammy SN conjunctions (Sun conj SN, Moon conj SN) coupled with the said Mars sq nodal axis? This is another thing I never seem to find anything on... SN conjunctions coupled with squares to the nodal axis...


It's very interesting. I would like to see the whole synastry/composite to better understand the pattern of this all. Basically, in a synastry, I would think that this is not a meeting happened by chance, the two were looking for a "belonging" where to express themselves, that each individual history and emotional background has taken the two to find each others and stick together cause they see themselves reflected in the other and by this reflection they actually learn to ackowledge their own self, and that SN acted like a medium for this purpose, but then when seeing yourself reflected in someone else you also see 1) what you don't like and don't want to see; 2) what is holding you back in your self-expression; 3) the awareness that person in reality is a different individual, and this fact in a positive case might trigger an awareness about your individuality or, in a negative case, you might see this person is the cause of your malaise... this whole process is then reflected in the NN opposition, which is actually pointing to the need of getting aware of what the purpose of this relationship is about. In this case, it points to Sun and Moon, it points to the fact that this person is actually bringing you to deepen your Self (the Sun) knowledge and the emotional (Moon) roots (SN) of your issues. In karmic astrology, the Sun represents an authority, the Moon represents the Mother. In the SN/Sun, while initially the two might "recognize" each others, the Sun person might act as a "leader" for the SN person towards the way to their Self awareness/expression, but the Sun person might feel their personality is "holden back"... In the SN/Moon, the SN person might look for someone nuturing and protecting them in the Moon person, someone through whom they can fullfil their emotional "lack", while the Moon can devote their emotional needs to the SN person, but might be left drained by this. In this dynamic, the North Node opposition is pointing to the fact that the two need actually to get aware of this dynamics and make it work out for the best, not the worse... and, in this specific case, the Mars/Nodes square probably comes as a blockage to that awareness, because, as you also said, it becomes "consuming"... In this case, I see how your Mars square to the nodes can be challenging, threatening those Sun-Moon/Nodes aspects in their positive development....
How does this all play out in the Composite then?

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posted April 18, 2019 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HieronymusTush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
It's very interesting. I would like to see the whole synastry/composite to better understand the pattern of this all. Basically, in a synastry, I would think that this is not a meeting happened by chance, the two were looking for a "belonging" were to express themselves, that each individual history and emotional background has taken the two to find each others and stick together cause they see themselves reflected in the other and by this reflection they actually learn to ackowledge their own self, and that SN acted like a medium for this purpose, but then when seeing yourself reflected in someone else you also see 1) what you don't like and don't want to see; 2) what is holding you back in your self-expression; 3) the awareness that person in reality is a different individual, and this fact in a positive case might trigger an awareness about your individuality or, in a negative case, you might see this person is the cause of your malaise... this whole process is then reflected in the NN opposition, which is actually pointing to the need of getting aware of what the purpose of this relationship is about. In this case, it points to Sun and Moon, it points to the fact that this person is actually bringing you to deepen your Self (the Sun) knowledge and the emotional (Moon) roots (SN) of your issues. In karmic astrology, the Sun represents an authority, the Moon represents the Mother. In the SN/Sun, while initially the two might "recognize" each others, the Sun person might act as a "leader" for the SN person towards the way to their Self awareness/expression, but the Sun person might feel their individuality is "held back"... In the SN/Moon, the SN person might look for someone nuturing and protecting them in the Moon person, someone through whom they can fullfil their emotional "lack", while the Moon can devote their emotional needs to the SN person, but might be left drained by this. In this dynamic, the North Node opposition is pointing to the fact that the two need actually to get aware of this dynamics and make it work out for the best, not the worse... and, in this specific case, the Mars/Nodes square probably comes as a blockage to that awareness, because, as you also said, it becomes "consuming"... In this case, I see how your Mars square to the nodes can be challenging, threatening those Sun-Moon/Nodes aspects in their positive development....
How does this all play out in the Composite then?

All of what you said is very interesting. Thank you. I could post the synastry and the composite if you would like to take a look.

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posted April 18, 2019 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by HieronymusTush:
All of what you said is very interesting. Thank you. I could post the synastry and the composite if you would like to take a look.

Of course, I'd like to see! (forgive all my mistakes, I'm not an english native :-) )

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posted April 18, 2019 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HieronymusTush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Of course, I'd like to see! (forgive all my mistakes, I'm not an english native :-) )

Posted them here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/008995.html

Thanks so much in advance. I always learn a lot from exchanges like this.

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posted April 18, 2019 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Posted them here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/008995.html

Thanks so much in advance. I always learn a lot from exchanges like this.


Thank you! Oh I do learn a lot too :-) I'm looking at it... it's very intense. I'll reply as soon as I've figured out something <3

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posted April 18, 2019 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by HieronymusTush:
I read so many conflicting things about this: Are squares to the SN/NN axis in the synastry good, or bad?


the nodal axis is a energy axis that energizes the symbol aspects to. squares to the node bring out the"essence" of the symbol. for instance when the node transits a natal venus, the native will be surrounded and give out loving emotions. but other aspects will qualify how the square manifest.

mars square by the node will activate the Martian energy for good or bad depending on aspects again.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63539

thenodeis obscure because it underlays all the other symbols.

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posted April 18, 2019 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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the nodal axis is a energy axis that energizes the symbol aspects to. squares to the node bring out the"essence" of the symbol. for instance when the node transits a natal venus, the native will be surrounded and give out loving emotions. but other aspects will qualify how the square manifest.

mars square by the node will activate the Martian energy for good or bad depending on aspects again.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63539

thenodeis obscure because it underlays all the other symbols.

todd


Thanks for the link, it is very helpful !!

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