posted April 23, 2019 02:48 AM            

- Firstly, I noticed most of our planets in domicile/exaltation which explains why we got involved so fast (faster than I expected).

- Asc at 4°. Is it too early? If yes, what does it mean?

- Moon in domicile conjunct Dsc in separating sextile to Sun/Uranus. I know it's good to start a r/s during New Moon, but how about Waxing Moon where traditionally people start planting crops?

- Moon also parallel Venus which I understand is good for love r/s esp. with Venus domicile in 5H.

- Asc in Capricorn (ruler Saturn in domicile conjunct Asc). It opposes Dsc Moon.

Although the Opposition aspect is difficult especially between Saturn-Moon but because they conjunct the angles so I guess it changes things - emotional reservation but also strong emotional bond? (Interestingly, we also have Saturn-Moon DW in Synastry and in our pComposite + both p.Natals, Saturn are conjunct Asc as well).

Saturn-Moon received each other in detriment which supposedly means we were not mutually attracted (but we were!). So I supposed again ruler planets on the Asc/Dsc axis make a difference?

- Domicile Venus trines Mars(exalted) / Pluto in 1H, opposing Jupiter in 11H but they're all separating aspects. Any concern?

Venus' only applying aspects are sextile to Chiron (which conjuncts IC) / Juno, trine Vertex.

- Exalted Mars in 1H conjunct Pluto/Saturn, sextile Jupiter/Neptune, trine Venus. The sexual intensity/attraction was very strong but we can get very serious with each other.

So how did we start and how will we end?

- Moon's first applying aspect is a square to Mercury which conjuncts Chiron on the IC. This supposedly shows how the r/s kick-start but I don't know how to interpret this. 🤷‍♀️

- Moon's last applying aspect is the opposition to Saturn which means we will end in emotional alienation?

- Asc ruler Saturn's last applying aspect is also a trine to Sun in 4H which seems good but what would it mean? A comfortable, responsible bond?

posted April 24, 2019 12:31 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Post the chart!

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Haha.. ok. Tell me what you think.

I adjusted our meeting time by 15mins and the Asc is now at 7°.

posted April 24, 2019 01:29 AM            

Sun conjunct Uranus separating in the 4th. This relationship straight off the bat is unconventional, but I like that it’s in the 4th. I’m loving the sun in exact sextile to the moon. Mars trine Venus. The 7th ruler is conjunct the dsc. This is a great setup for a stable emotionally nurturing relationship. Vesta conjunct asc is going to set a devotional tone although if it’s in the 12th it might be a more hidden subconscious type of flavor. And it’s separating so not sure about that ?!
Venus opposing Jupiter
Do the applying and separating aspects really count for FMC??

posted April 24, 2019 07:10 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Sun conjunct Uranus separating in the 4th. This relationship straight off the bat is unconventional, but I like that it’s in the 4th. I’m loving the sun in exact sextile to the moon. Mars trine Venus. The 7th ruler is conjunct the dsc. This is a great setup for a stable emotionally nurturing relationship. Vesta conjunct asc is going to set a devotional tone although if it’s in the 12th it might be a more hidden subconscious type of flavor. And it’s separating so not sure about that ?!
Venus opposing Jupiter
Do the applying and separating aspects really count for FMC??

Have you created a synastry with both your Natals to see how the meeting has affected you ? Apparently that’s a huge indication of its impact in the first 3 months after you meet.

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Emotionally nurturing, yes, but I'm not sure about "stable". 😝 Our r/s is rather unconventional indeed (and feels unstable) but interestingly in a Cancer house with Taurus Sun so it seems despite the instability, a close, secured bond is desired. Truth is we're quite private & protective over our r/s and each other, and that Cap rising looks very serious with Saturn there! I did feel a serious bond with him.

What's interesting is Saturn-Moon-Mercury-Chiron formed a t-square on the angles. Sun & Moon also just entered a new sign - both at 0°. I find these meaningful but haven't got a grasp on the interpretations.

I didn't notice Vesta so thanks for pointing it out! The subconscious feeling of commitment is felt but we've never really discussed it (12H).

You don't see a problem with all the Chiron aspects? Especially it's with Mercury on the IC. I feel that hurt feelings reached my deepest core.

I'm not sure if applying/separating aspects matter but cafeastrology talks about it, that's why I'm worried that Moon's last applying aspect is an opposition to Saturn and the latter is in retrograde.

And I'm wondering... if FMC only shows the r/s evolvement in the first 3-mths, what happens after that?

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Synastry between FMC and our Natals:

For mine:

Pluto/Saturn/Mars/Lilith/Vesta conjunct my P.Fortune falling in my 8H. (intense)
Venus conjunct my Mercury (chart ruler)/Juno in my 12H.(feels like true love but I hide my feelings?)
Sun/Uranus conjunct my Sun/Chiron/Ceres falling in my 11H. (he feels like a friend too and someone I hope to have in my future).
Moon in my 1H (nice emotional connection)

Now his looks interesting:

His natal Asc/Dsc axis conjunct the FMC's Asc/Dsc axis. Wow.
Mars/Saturn/Pluto conjunct his Dsc.
Sun/Uranus conjunct his Chiron & MC, trine his Venus.
Moon conjunct his Mars/Jupiter falling in his 12H. (The r/s makes him happy & passionate but he hides the feelings?)
Venus trines his Sun falls in his 11H (Again shows a loving connection but also friendship, or I'm someone he can share his hopes & dreams?)
Jupiter conjunct his Juno & 5H cusp.
Vertex conjunct his Sun in 3H.

I'm surprised the FMC has more connections to his Natal.

posted April 24, 2019 05:52 PM            

The chart hitting his natal so much means this relationship is going to be affecting him big time, more so than you. Especially with that asc//dsc axis conjunction.

posted April 25, 2019 01:53 AM            

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I’m still wondering about the validity of FMC tho"

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I read on another forum that they usually use the FMC to compare against their synastry/composite; also create synastries/composites between the FMC and both natals to find common themes. This will supposedly give you a fuller picture of the r/s potential, how each feel about the r/s and their possible behaviours within it. In fact in ancient times, people use FMC to read a r/s as birth times/dates were usually unknown.

When reading FMC, it seems that Moon & Asc are the first to look out for. R/s that starts with New/Waxing Moon has a longer lifespan. If Moon is at the last few degrees it means situation will change. If Asc at the last few degrees this r/s may be short-lived. Separating aspects show what the individuals bring to the r/s (expectations etc) while applying aspects are what will happen but I haven't confirmed if this is accurate.

So anyway from the synastry comparison, I noted that FM Sun/Uranus are conjunct both our natal Chirons and in Synastry we also have Chiron-Sun DW so I guess this is a theme with us.

In our composites with the FMC, Chiron was again featured prominently - his has Chiron conjunct Mars/Dsc in 7H, square Sun/Venus/Amor, trine Moon, sextile Mercury. In mine, Chiron in 1H sextile Mars/Lilith/IC.

EDIT: I added our name asteroids and in his composite with the FMC, my name conjunct Sun/Venus on the MC. In mine, his name conjunct Amor/Asc. Wow.

posted April 25, 2019 03:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
It kinda cautions me to be careful what I say to him because the truth is we can be hypersensitive to what the other person says.

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THIS! Exactly how it felt for us too. Ive always had an issue speaking my emotions so it taught me a great deal how to do this and also that I value transparency in a relationship. I’m a Gemini after all!

Yes the new moon is promising but it’s in aqua boooo. I think this is Uranian themed but it also has very positive potential for a long term thing too. It could just mean Uranian in that we come from different cultures. We clearly notice how different the other person is. In a good way it feels like there’s potential for something but I’m still trying to find my feet with him so we will see.

posted April 26, 2019 04:00 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Yes the new moon is promising but it’s in aqua boooo. I think this is Uranian themed but it also has very positive potential for a long term thing too. It could just mean Uranian in that we come from different cultures. We clearly notice how different the other person is. In a good way it feels like there’s potential for something but I’m still trying to find my feet with him so we will see.

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posted April 26, 2019 12:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Is Uranus featured strongly in your FMC?
How about your FM Sun, Venus, Mars?

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Here it is, but I’m not entirely sure about the time lol, since it was all a bit confusing. This was AROUND the time he actually directly acknowledged me and sat next to me and we introduced ourselves to one another. Had a conversation etc.

Venus trines mars which is nice.
It also squares Chiron 😬
Mars (possibly 7th ruler 🤷🏻‍♀️ conjuncts Uranus.

posted May 01, 2019 04:31 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
What does planers not dignified mean again? Im too lazy to google it lol. Long ass sat.

I’m not counting on this relationship at the moment because he’s not really investing much so hmmmm may need to move on me thinks 🤷🏻‍♀️ He has too much healing to do over his ex and that’s very clear to me. I’ve heard it from a few people now. He still loves her. Of course, I mean they were almost engaged!

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Planetary dignities show motivation, strength and desire. It shows how motivated the 2 ppl are to develop a relationship.

posted May 01, 2019 11:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Planetary dignities show motivation, strength and desire. It shows how motivated the 2 ppl are to develop a relationship.

You're right to step back for as long as they're still in each other's lives, it will be hard for him to completely let go and have a real space for you and they did have quite a powerful chart. I know because I was in your guy's shoes.

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Yeap. Truthfully I’m still trying to heal from a breakup too. Recent one. I was in denial and I think I was using this Scorpio as a distraction...

Actually their composite was wrong. I got her year of birth wrong. I’ll show you the real one.

posted May 02, 2019 02:03 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Yeap. Truthfully I’m still trying to heal from a breakup too. Recent one. I was in denial and I think I was using this Scorpio as a distraction...

Actually their composite was wrong. I got her year of birth wrong. I’ll show you the real one.

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What?! Ok, let's see their correct chart.

So you're on a rebound too... then all the more you should step back and regain clarity. Just continue to be friends with him and see how it goes... you never know.

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What happened with you being in a similar situation to him?

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posted May 02, 2019 01:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
At one point I broke up with my guy and I dated others to forget him. I seriously thought of moving on so I got very close to one guy (we kissed etc)... he's quite attractive but I realised that I don't like him in a romantic way, so I pulled back. Then I met my guy again and I further realised he still matters a lot to me and he initiated a patch back a few days ago. We're not all rosy yet... we still have our issues, but the stepping out & back made me realise where my heart (still) is.

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Awwwwwww. you needed the space to realise what you had. That’s the age old saying that if you let them go and they come back then.... 💕 so it’s a reunited thing you’re going through. How long were you together previously?

Yeah I guess it’s better I have that space to heal. It’s been a bumpy ride the last two years. And he has Venus/Uranus conjunct IN the 5th house. So you can imagine how tough that was. We loved each other deeply though. Composite Moon/Pluto conjunct. Composite Venus/NN meant it was too scary for him to step up. He had heavy Scorpio. Scared of everything. I’m so sad about it.. but I knew it had to end because I now realise what I’m worthy of. I know someone will come along who wants to give the whole cake to me, not just crumbs.

So I’m preeeeeetty sure it’s this composite for the current dude and his ex. It’s either this day or day before with her bday. But I think it’s this one. Planets hit his natal mars and mercury (disc ruler).

posted May 03, 2019 01:47 AM            

That 2-yr relationship of yours is your ex? He's also a Scorpio? Composite Moon/Pluto is very close... and I thought Venus/NN should be loving? What was in your transit when you broke up?

posted May 03, 2019 02:20 AM            

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We've been together for only a year actually but it's been a bumpy ride like yours. The last few months we didn't really talk and when we met we often argued. I think the less we talk the more we argue because we keep wondering what's up with the other person. He's very emotional (strong Lunarian) yet behaves like he doesn't care. He would push me away but keep himself updated with what I'm up to or look at my pictures when he missed me...wanna know if I'm seeing others etc.

That 2-yr relationship of yours is your ex? He's also a Scorpio? Composite Moon/Pluto is very close... and I thought Venus/NN should be loving? What was in your transit when you broke up?

As for the chart you posted, the aspects will not be accurate at all if you don't know her exact DoB at least. Nonetheless, they still have a lot of conjunctions with Jupiter supporting it. Moon still doesn't look happy though.

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Oh why do we put up with these bumpy rides from these men lol. Your guy sounds so Scorpio tho! It’s similar to what mine would do (he’s a Libra but stellium in Scorpio) We wouldn’t talk for a few days because he felt the need to pull back from the intensity, which made me feel like he didn’t care, but then he’d stalk me. So push/pull. It’s exhausting right? Does your guy know what he wants?

He was my ex of sorts. We’ve known each other for many years but only reconnected over 2 years ago. He would also say I was his dream girl for so long. But he was with someone whom he broke up with to follow me overseas. He followed me all 3 times I went. He packed up his life to follow me but could never fully give himself to me. He was still healing from his breakup. He felt extreme guilt for ruining her by being with me. We had a very deep connection unlike anything either of us has experienced. He would call it ‘some unique kind of oneness’. But he has so many issues that he isn’t dealing with. Addictions etc etc etc, inability to trust anyone fully, childhood problems with his mom. But my God do I love him. He’s left a big break in my heart.
It all went haywire during mercury retro. He pulled away after we had a talk about all our stuff, us etc. then everything got confusing and I thought he wanted to break up so we ended up breaking up but it was twisted because he made out as if he wanted to, then I prepared myself for it, accepted it etc. then he was like “oh I didn’t know that’s where you were at. I miss you etc etc efc”. Then I was like wtf?! I thought this was what you wanted? And now he’s completely shut down from me. Flirting with other women etc. so I’ve realised I deserve better than this in a man. But I miss him

posted May 03, 2019 03:36 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Oh why do we put up with these bumpy rides from these men lol. Your guy sounds so Scorpio tho! It’s similar to what mine would do (he’s a Libra but stellium in Scorpio) We wouldn’t talk for a few days because he felt the need to pull back from the intensity, which made me feel like he didn’t care, but then he’d stalk me. So push/pull. It’s exhausting right? Does your guy know what he wants?

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OMG they sound alike! The pulling back from intensity is so similar. He would be intensely intimate with me one moment then backs off because "he doesn't want ME to keep thinking of him". 🙄 He has Mars square Pluto in natal and his 5H cusp is Scorpio. Both give him a scorpionic attitude towards his lovers.

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He was my ex of sorts. We’ve known each other for many years but only reconnected over 2 years ago. He would also say I was his dream girl for so long. But he was with someone whom he broke up with to follow me overseas. He followed me all 3 times I went. He packed up his life to follow me but could never fully give himself to me. He was still healing from his breakup. He felt extreme guilt for ruining her by being with me. We had a very deep connection unlike anything either of us has experienced. He would call it ‘some unique kind of oneness’. But he has so many issues that he isn’t dealing with. Addictions etc etc etc, inability to trust anyone fully, childhood problems with his mom. But my God do I love him. He’s left a big break in my heart.
It all went haywire during mercury retro. He pulled away after we had a talk about all our stuff, us etc. then everything got confusing and I thought he wanted to break up so we ended up breaking up but it was twisted because he made out as if he wanted to, then I prepared myself for it, accepted it etc. then he was like “oh I didn’t know that’s where you were at. I miss you etc etc efc”. Then I was like wtf?! I thought this was what you wanted? And now he’s completely shut down from me. Flirting with other women etc. so I’ve realised I deserve better than this in a man. But I miss him

I’m not sure what the exact transits were. I can’t see them clearly like others can. Maybe it was mercury retro going over our SN?!

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Doesn't it mean something that he followed you overseas not once, but 3x ?! It seems like he really wanted to be with you!

Does Mercury Rx have such a big impact? The miscommunication perhaps but what about his subsequent behaviours? I believe there are other transits going on. Look at those close applying transits... they are the ones that you feel. Forget about the separating ones. Why don't you post your Composite with transits and let's see what happened (at the time you broke off and now). Include the transit to composite aspects table.

posted May 03, 2019 11:30 AM            

I’m feeling so sad about mine this morning. I haven’t heard from him in almost a week and see that makes me think he simply doesn’t care.
Yeah it for sure meant something to follow me overseas, but he would tell me that he couldn’t be in a full relationship with me because he had to fix himself. He claimed he was trying but I didn’t see any action on his part. The guy needs therapy but he’s so apathetic. He’ll not try because he claims he doesn’t deserve it. He has so much self hatred. Doesn’t believe he deserves anything good. I saw the goodness in him though. It was buried beneath his pain. I wasn’t afraid of that darkness either. When we’re together it’s so beautiful and comfortable and so passionate. But when we’re apart it goes to **** . He is a compulsive flirt so to distance himself from our intensity he would flirt with others and I hated it. He would never tell me but I just knew what he was doing. He was always undecided about being with me because he was split. Part of him wanted a life with me, part wanted his old life, part wanted a completely new one. But I know how much he loved me. He even said we might still be here when we’re 60 and you’ll still be waiting for me to get my **** together.
What broke me was when he said to me “a girl asked me out and I didn’t know what to say or do. Made me realise I need to be soely responsible for myself and no one else for a while.” To me that says he felt he couldn’t say yes to her bc of me. Also a few months back he said that if Angeluna Jolie approached him to have sex how could he say no?! These comments hurt me so much. It made me think that he still wants to play around. He’s 40! But yeah....I’m missing him like crazy. I’m leaving LA to go back home for a few weeks and he would always be the one to take me to the airport and pick me up and this time he won’t when I left LA last year we both cried and he had a meltdown. It was awful. Now I think he’s just decided to move on. He has Uranus on his Scorpio stellium of mars, Venus, moon. So yeah...
Anyway here’s the composite with transits at the time of the breakup. Thanks for taking a look and for listening. Feels good to get that out

Transits to composite table

Composite transits now

Now transit table