posted July 12, 2019 06:29 PM            

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Originally posted by manderin:
well the problem with the asteroids is that unlike the 9 planetary bodies (moon thru saturn and the last two being the nodes of the moon) they were named by modern scientists who then picked names out of hats to name those asteroids. That's why it's a little funny when someone claims that the lilith asteroid means betrayal because that's what lilith's story is all about in mythology when the only reason that piece of rock is named lilith is simply because the scientist that discovered it went through a bunch of mythological names and randomly picked one.

That's NOT how it was with the planetary bodies which were named thousands of years ago when people literally thought of them as gods. Therefore all the mythology based around them came FROM THE PLANETS AND THEIR INFLUENCES. Not the other way around. The planet Saturn was a god floating around in the sky and the people could see the steady slow and stifling influence it had on people born under it's certain positions in the sky so they named that floating god Shani, which means the slow one. As the god moves slowly through the sky. The constellation of Leo (Simha) was called this because the people born under it's influence were taller and more regal in appearance than others... not because those stars looked anything like a lion as many people wrongfully assume.

Hence there is a huge difference between the asteroids and how they were named and the traditional stuff. So even if they do have some influence there's no way it has any attachment to their name yet that's what all asteroid astrologers do- link their effects to what they were randomly named by some lab scientist who laughs at the idea of astrology.

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"All the mythology based around them came FROM THE PLANETS AND THEIR INFLUENCES." Disagree. The mythology was projected on to them. You cannot scientifically prove Jupiter's influence on your biology or behavior nor Mars or Uranus.

Couldn't your logic be applied to the main astral bodies in our solar system too? The meaning each astronomical body has we project on to it. We say Venus represents love, art, music, the finer things, etc. based on ancient mythology and deities. If Ancient Romans had referred to common day Mercury as Venus, we would apply the attributes of the Roman goddess to the planet Mercury. What's the difference between naming random rocks in the sky after mythological beings to projecting attributes (as well as naming) of mythological gods on to our large astral bodies?

posted July 12, 2019 10:37 PM            

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Originally posted by manderin:

The only observation here I personally disagree with is regards to the nodes when they are conjunct a personal planet. Nodes conjunct someone else's mars, moon, sun, etc definitely have an affect imo. )I'm still up in the air as to whether the conjunction to the asc/desc in synastry may or may not have an affect as I don't have enough data).

However node trines, sextiles, squares etc... or even having a node sit alone - all these I agree have zero affect. The nodes in synastry only seem to make a difference in a conjunction. I suppose it makes sense considering they are not real heavenly bodies and therefore can't really give off energy, they can only potentially warp energy that is already coming through them- such as in a conjunction.

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Disagree about squares. I find that squares to the sun/moon are common in synastry.

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Originally posted by sis:

Astreoids... I know juno transits mean nothing. Having them perfectly angled in synastry dont mean anything... No weight at all... So, I dont bother including them to my readings. The main players tell all there is to know.

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posted July 13, 2019 01:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Ashes2Phoenix:
"All the mythology based around them came FROM THE PLANETS AND THEIR INFLUENCES." Disagree. The mythology was projected on to them. You cannot scientifically prove Jupiter's influence on your biology or behavior nor Mars or Uranus.

Couldn't your logic be applied to the main astral bodies in our solar system too? The meaning each astronomical body has we project on to it. We say Venus represents love, art, music, the finer things, etc. based on ancient mythology and deities. If Ancient Romans had referred to common day Mercury as Venus, we would apply the attributes of the Roman goddess to the planet Mercury. What's the differenc between naming random rocks in the sky after mythological beings to projecting attributes (as well as naming) of mythological gods on to our large astral bodies?

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There are differences between projections and observations though.

It has been observed that certain kind of people displaying certain kind of behaviours are born under certain planetary conditions. This is not a projection, neither it is something that came from intuition, it is a fact (and there absolutely is a difference between intuitive astrologers and factual ones but thats a different story).