posted September 25, 2019 08:37 PM            

Here is our synastry. Birth times according to certificates. HS Placidus

Synastry aspects:

Declinations:

Here is the composite

Davison

Our natals here.
His:

Mine:

posted September 25, 2019 08:49 PM            

Continuing with that theme, your Venus is conjunct his Pluto. Very loosely conjunct his own Mars.. I wouldn't really count that orb, but energetically you guys are in sync. I would actually be surprised if he wasn't already in love with you on some level.

Who is this person from his past? Can you gather her significance to him? I've found Capricorns don't really look back much romantically lest they turn into a pillar of salt. They're very "onwards and upwards" once they've assessed someones use (or lack thereof) in their life. This girl could be obsessed with him but he may not return the favor.

But you're saying this relationship historically has been hidden.. that worries me because I see this present in the composite with your Juno, Saturn, Venus, Mars and Uranus all in the 12th house. Not sure how you would be able to reverse this theme and bring everything to light.

Does he want commitment - has he expressed a desire for it? Do you sense that he's boyfriend material?

The sexual energies are so deeply merged in your synastry I can't imagine him giving you up easily.. I think you have a good advantage here

posted September 25, 2019 09:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Hi MyRealName,
The Composite Venus/Saturn/Juno in 12th house plus Neptune square MC/ceres (with Sun conjunct Neptune/MC midpoint) show the secret/sexual rs.

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Originally posted by Stoika7:

Feelings are intense and exciting and it wont be easy to let go. But the 12th house is unfortunately not a good omen... I see it might not be an easy decision to cut things off though, transiting NN is going through Comp vertex/7th, so this is probably taking you to get emotionally involved, but since it's quincux to Uranus/ASC it looks quite unstable and things might abruptely change.

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posted September 25, 2019 10:03 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Interesting. My bf is a Cap Sun/Cap Moon. His Mars is in the opposite sign of your guy, his is in Taurus. My bf also has a fixed ASC like yours does and also Jupiter in his 1st house.

It is really hard to determine the emotional transparency of a Cap Sun/Cap Moon. I've been in this relationship for 3 years, known him for 15+ years, and his emotional life is very much a mystery to me.

However, with your guy.. I see a lot of potential here. Your Mars on his Sun + Venus + Moon? No wonder the sex is incredible.

Continuing with that theme, your Venus is conjunct his Pluto. Very loosely conjunct his own Mars.. I wouldn't really count that orb, but energetically you guys are in sync. I would actually be surprised if he wasn't already in love with you on some level.

But would he love you the way you need to be loved? I'm an Aqua Moon, like you, and I've found the Cap Sun/Cap Moon to not be able to love me the way I need to be. AND I have an irreverent Venus in Aries, whereas you have a deeply intense and soul binding Venus/Pluto in Scorpio.

Who is this person from his past? Can you gather her significance to him? I've found Capricorns don't really look back much romantically lest they turn into a pillar of salt. They're very "onwards and upwards" once they've assessed someones use (or lack thereof) in their life. This girl could be obsessed with him but he may not return the favor.

But you're saying this relationship historically has been hidden.. that worries me because I see this present in the composite with your Juno, Saturn, Venus, Mars and Uranus all in the 12th house. Not sure how you would be able to reverse this theme and bring everything to light.

Does he want commitment - has he expressed a desire for it? Do you sense that he's boyfriend material?

The sexual energies are so deeply merged in your synastry I can't imagine him giving you up easily.. I think you have a good advantage here

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I am afraid that with my male personal planets touching his female planets he just enjoys the attention.

I don't know much about his ex, no BDay info. I know she was trying to convince him to get back with her in a long distance relationship for the last 2 years. Also he told me that he still loves her but she hurt him and they have not seen each other for at least 6 month and keep fighting over the phone. I couldn't help myself and told him she manipulates him.

About committing, he told me he wants it eventually, but at this point wants to sort out his feelings. I definitely see him as relationship material and told him up front that I am looking to start a family.

posted September 25, 2019 10:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
You are Sun/11th square Uranus, and your NN/DSC opposite Ceres and trine Uranus, your venus square MC and Aquarius Moon conjunct IC, so you're a very independent person but at the same time you might struggle in finding stable relationship, your NN 6th house conjunct dsc and Libra SN/Ceres in 12th house are a karmic sign that you might get through different experiences before finding a stable emotional situation, and each experience is a chance to establish your self-reliance and self-confidence, since both your sagittairus saturn and uranus in second house (plus uranus opposite chiron) might give you a deep feeling of instability in your life and lack of faith in yourself. Your natal neptune is also square to your asc so this might make you question yourself too much. But with your Mars Capricorn you are actually able to develope self-confidence and strong thoughful decision making.
The 12th house is also a strong karmic house, so it depends on how you deal with such "boundless" energy. Potentially it can gives a lot of intimacy and a powerful bond, but it requires self-awareness, being ready to face our own issues and reasons on why we find ourselves in such situations, and learn detachment and letting go...
Btw, I agree with athenaia, he feels strong about you and you might have an advantage here.

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posted September 25, 2019 10:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
PS: for midpoints, ask Todd! he's the expert :-)

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posted September 25, 2019 10:16 PM            

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Originally posted by MyRealName:
I do hope he finds my post

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I suggest you to post the charts again calling for @todd's help in the subject, he will give you great insight on your situation!

posted September 25, 2019 10:20 PM            

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Originally posted by MyRealName:
Thanks for this. I will meditate on what you wrote here.
In our natal charts we both have strong 12th house and I have been trying to understand mine. I don't know him that much to know where he is at with his awareness of hidden self.

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Your saturns/Uranus and Chirons are quite mirroring each other, so you share inner issues and you might actually support each other a lot in such self-awareness and in gaining more self-confidence. His SN/Pluto in Scorpio 9th house points to a strong karmic path and it is attached to his past wounds, but it also gives him a strong motivation in "self-development" and achievement.

posted September 25, 2019 10:25 PM            

Re: your Masculine planets on his feminine one... that is true. Do you feel you are the pursuer in this dynamic? If not, I would imagine this can express itself as sexual dominance since Mars + Venus/Sun/Moon are in Capricorn and this tends to be a deeply sexual sign once all the wrappings are put aside

I think he thinks you're relationship material.

His 7th house ruler, his Sun, is conjunct your Mars.

Mars is your 7th house ruler.

So your 7th house rulers are in perfect energetic sync here. That's an incredible sign that things can be mutual between you both.

Your Moon falls into his 12th house so I would imagine you come off pretty mysterious to him. Does he know that you feel deeply for him (or are starting to)? He also seems to be a natal 12th house Moon so he could be more comfortable with this energy than most other people.. I don't think fatalistic readings of your Moon in his 12th would apply in this instance since he possesses this energy himself

Your Venus/Pluto sits on his South Node so I would imagine you have a really potent effect on his inner life. My Venus is also on my bf's South Node and there are really fascinating/spooky synchronicities between us both. Do you experience something similar here? Feel like you've known him forever and there is something overly familiar about him?

The ruler of his 4th house, Mercury, is conjunct the ruler of your 5th house, Neptune. So I think he sees longevity in you even if he may not be able to articulate this yet.

Then the ruler of HIS 5th house, the Moon, is conjunct the ruler of your 7th.. it's all quite beautiful really.

posted September 26, 2019 12:28 AM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Aqua personal needs.. I think because Aquarius is in axis with Leo, that Aquarius enjoys being "worshipped" just as much as Leo enjoys it in relationships - the thing with Leo is that they're quite open and cognizant of this desire, whereas Aquarius is not quite conscious of this need, and in fact feels a little ashamed of it. I would say that with my double Cap bf, that's something I find missing being that his expression is very restricted/saturnine.. with your Moon in your natal 3rd house, maybe you need emotions to be out in the open, often expressed, maybe "words of affirmation" is a love language for you? As an Aqua Moon that's definitely mine..

Re: your Masculine planets on his feminine one... that is true. Do you feel you are the pursuer in this dynamic? If not, I would imagine this can express itself as sexual dominance since Mars + Venus/Sun/Moon are in Capricorn and this tends to be a deeply sexual sign once all the wrappings are put aside

I think he thinks you're relationship material.

His 7th house ruler, his Sun, is conjunct your Mars.

Mars is your 7th house ruler.

So your 7th house rulers are in perfect energetic sync here. That's an incredible sign that things can be mutual between you both.

Your Moon falls into his 12th house so I would imagine you come off pretty mysterious to him. Does he know that you feel deeply for him (or are starting to)? He also seems to be a natal 12th house Moon so he could be more comfortable with this energy than most other people.. I don't think fatalistic readings of your Moon in his 12th would apply in this instance since he possesses this energy himself

Your Venus/Pluto sits on his South Node so I would imagine you have a really potent effect on his inner life. My Venus is also on my bf's South Node and there are really fascinating/spooky synchronicities between us both. Do you experience something similar here? Feel like you've known him forever and there is something overly familiar about him?

The ruler of his 4th house, Mercury, is conjunct the ruler of your 5th house, Neptune. So I think he sees longevity in you even if he may not be able to articulate this yet.

Then the ruler of HIS 5th house, the Moon, is conjunct the ruler of your 7th.. it's all quite beautiful really.

I wouldn't stress out on the other girl. Just knowing the nature of Capricorns I don't think you have anything to worry about. Don't react if he brings her up, don't ask about her, don't say anything too heavy if the conversation shifts to her somehow.. just vibe that Mercurial, Uranian cool girl vibe that you have and you'll win him over with time I think.

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Again, thanks for the insight. I just realized I posted my charts in Porphyry and while the composite houses are the same in both Placidus and Porphyry your analysis resonates with the Placidus. I should probably repost the synastry and natals.

About Aqua moon, this is an interesting perspective. I don't think I considered this viewpoint. Generally I find Leos annoying and too much to handle and had one Leo moon in my life who was just asking for something I would never want to give. Too much drama there. I don't mind earth moons because they demonstrate in actions and water moons are just attractive because of their emotions, something I cannot Express fully myself. Aries are just angry and Sag, I don't know...I do talk too much about what I feel with my partners and not sure they can handle this side.

With the current Cap I am probably a pursuer. I was the one to initiate tactile contact, but then he has no problem approaching me in private. Definitely noticed he does not feel comfortable with attention in public and much before we can get caught. At work we pretend that there is nothing happening. I don't mind this kind of teasing and I think he should like it too with his Scorp mars. I would try to keep things under wraps for as long as possible here to keep the spice. With sex I am also not sure who is dominating because it feels like we play this game of submission and control and it is all natural, fun and fitting. I like this Cap/Scorp combo a lot. Definitely better than Cap/Virgo, Cancer/Cancer, Scorp/Libra from the better ones before.

What are your Venus/Mars if you don't mind sharing?

About the feelings, I had to tell him that I am falling for him because I was going nuts and started to feel very uncomfortable at work in his presence. So did not tell him how much I am going crazy, just made him aware I am feeling something and sometimes act a bit defensive because of that.

And about this other person, I don't know what they have. I doubt it's all full of grand trines if they argue all the time. I prefer not to think about it even though it is hard. Insted I just say to myself that I know my worth, I know what I'm looking for and I don't need anyone to complete me to be happy. I also trust in the divine timing, enjoy my emotions and accept things coming my way as they are.

posted September 26, 2019 05:48 AM            

You don't have anything in your chart that affects him that way.

Your Virgo Sun does nothing for him, neither does your Scorpio Venus as the Asc ruler or the Aqua Moon.

posted September 26, 2019 06:05 AM            

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Originally posted by HelixID:

You don't have anything in your chart that affects him that way.

Your Virgo Sun does nothing for him, neither does your Scorpio Venus as the Asc ruler or the Aqua Moon.

On paper it looks pretty one-sided.

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posted September 26, 2019 06:45 AM            

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Originally posted by HelixID:
You don't have anything in your chart that affects him that way.

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posted September 26, 2019 07:06 AM            

From the chart it looks like he has feelings for you but the pestering ex-gf can be a pain. I'd this experience before and tbh with you, it broke us up. But guess what? They didn't last either. They patched back but ended things for good within 2 months. With my current guy, he was also still missing his ex when we got together. Eventually I broke up with him because I couldn't stand him talking about her all the time, but within 2 weeks we patched back and he stopped talking about her... told me he doesn't miss her anymore (I think our breakup shook him up, haha). The difference is his ex didn't pester him so it made it easier for him to get over her.

How long have you been with this guy? It seems like you've only been together a short while or he got together with you shortly after they broke up?

Anyway, what I wanna say is IME the ex-gfs don't triumph. The guys eventually get over them for good when they're in a new r/s. If you say they've been arguing and theirs is long distance, I don't see it as a good sign. Right now what's most important is what does he want with you? You said you were the pursuer so how about you turn passive mode and let him lead? This is the best way to assess a man's interest.

posted September 26, 2019 09:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
@MyRealName
It is always unwise to kick-start a r/s with sex and then try to discuss feelings later. If you're lucky you get someone on the same page as you, but if you're not..... why do we take such a risk? Most times we don't need the guy to promise marriage from the onset but we at least wanna ascertain how they feel about us.

From the chart it looks like he has feelings for you but the pestering ex-gf can be a pain. I'd this experience before and tbh with you, it broke us up. But guess what? They didn't last either. They patched back but ended things for good within 2 months. With my current guy, he was also still missing his ex when we got together. Eventually I broke up with him because I couldn't stand him talking about her all the time, but within 2 weeks we patched back and he stopped talking about her... told me he doesn't miss her anymore (I think our breakup shook him up, haha). The difference is his ex didn't pester him so it made it easier for him to get over her.

How long have you been with this guy? It seems like you've only been together a short while or he got together with you shortly after they broke up?

Anyway, what I wanna say is IME the ex-gfs don't triumph. The guys eventually get over them for good when they're in a new r/s. If you say they've been arguing and theirs is long distance, I don't see it as a good sign. Right now what's most important is what does he want with you? You said you were the pursuer so how about you turn passive mode and let him lead? This is the best way to assess a man's interest.

And about 12H composite... my friend has that with her ex-husband and current boyfriend so I believe it can work.

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Definitely unwise, especially at work. Attraction and circumstances are just too strong. I did not know about the ex right away and it was too late to think with my head when this came up.

I would say I am much more fresh after my last breakup but we cut things off completely. Which helped. And I moved, which sorta helped, only this new headache came along. With the Cap guy, I don't know why he needs to keep that connection, but I don't want to interfere. I am just wondering by looking at the charts if I should forget about it and move on, or just wait for this to unfold into something positive for both of us.

posted September 29, 2019 03:25 AM            

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Originally posted by MyRealName:
Can you please explain? My Sun trines his Moon and Venus.
Would in your view I would need to have conjunctions with my own Venus/Moon? Is this to fulfill each other's needs?

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Soft aspects don't make for attraction or romantic love. You don't need conjunctions either but there needs to be a high degree of mirroring for the feelings to be mutual.

What I mean by mirroring is the planets in both charts need to have the same energy.
For example:
He has a Capricorn Venus conjunct Moon and Sun in H12.
This means his Venus has the energy of the following signs:
- Capricorn
- Cancer (conjunct Moon)
- Leo (conjunct Sun)
- Pisces (in H12)

Let's look at your Venus.
Scorpio Venus conjunct Pluto square Moon in H1. Your Venus has:
- Scorpio
- Scorpio again (conjunct Pluto)
- Cancer (square Moon)
- Aries (in H1)

The mirroring is in his Venus conjunct Moon and your Venus square Moon aspect. Other than that your Venus is too aggressive for his Venus.
You can do this comparison with all the other planets as well.

Here are the most important points in your natal.
Who you are:
- Sun in Virgo
- Asc in Libra
- Asc ruler Venus in Scorpio
- Moon in Aquarius

What you want:
- Dsc in Aries
- Dsc ruler Mars in Capricorn
- Sun in Virgo

1. The most ideal placement of your SO for you would be his Dsc ruler in Virgo where your Sun is. It's not a must but it doesn't get any stronger than this in terms of interaspects.
The Cap guy has this advantage on you. His Sun is conjunct your Dsc ruler. The Dsc and the Dsc ruler show us what kind of partner we desire. This is the primary reason why you're attracted to him.

If the guy had a Capricorn Asc with Dsc ruler Moon in Virgo the attraction would be more balanced and mutual since he would meet your Dsc needs but his would be met too with your Virgo Sun in the same sign as his Dsc ruler. This way you would also fulfil the symbolism of his Cancer Dsc since you have Asc ruler square Moon natally.

2. Look out for people who have a Taurus Asc. Your Asc ruler Venus in Scorpio would match their Dsc and you'll notice the attraction on their part.
Asc ruler on the other's Dsc is a very strong interaspect.

3. Also look out for people whose Dsc ruler is in Scorpio. Asc ruler conjunct Dsc ruler is powerful, too.

4. Men who have hard aspects between Venus and Pluto and Moon and Uranus natally would notice your Scorpio Venus and Aqua Moon.

posted September 29, 2019 03:34 AM            

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Don't they have DSC ruler conjunct DSC ruler?

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posted September 29, 2019 08:23 AM            

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Originally posted by HelixID:
Soft aspects don't make for attraction or romantic love. You don't need conjunctions either but there needs to be a high degree of mirroring for the feelings to be mutual.

What I mean by mirroring is the planets in both charts need to have the same energy.
For example:
He has a Capricorn Venus conjunct Moon and Sun in H12.
This means his Venus has the energy of the following signs:
- Capricorn
- Cancer (conjunct Moon)
- Leo (conjunct Sun)
- Pisces (in H12)

Let's look at your Venus.
Scorpio Venus conjunct Pluto square Moon in H1. Your Venus has:
- Scorpio
- Scorpio again (conjunct Pluto)
- Cancer (square Moon)
- Aries (in H1)

The mirroring is in his Venus conjunct Moon and your Venus square Moon aspect. Other than that your Venus is too aggressive for his Venus.
You can do this comparison with all the other planets as well.

Here are the most important points in your natal.
Who you are:
- Sun in Virgo
- Asc in Libra
- Asc ruler Venus in Scorpio
- Moon in Aquarius

What you want:
- Dsc in Aries
- Dsc ruler Mars in Capricorn
- Sun in Virgo

1. The most ideal placement of your SO for you would be his Dsc ruler in Virgo where your Sun is. It's not a must but it doesn't get any stronger than this in terms of interaspects.
The Cap guy has this advantage on you. His Sun is conjunct your Dsc ruler. The Dsc and the Dsc ruler show us what kind of partner we desire. This is the primary reason why you're attracted to him.

If the guy had a Capricorn Asc with Dsc ruler Moon in Virgo the attraction would be more balanced and mutual since he would meet your Dsc needs but his would be met too with your Virgo Sun in the same sign as his Dsc ruler. This way you would also fulfil the symbolism of his Cancer Dsc since you have Asc ruler square Moon natally.

2. Look out for people who have a Taurus Asc. Your Asc ruler Venus in Scorpio would match their Dsc and you'll notice the attraction on their part.
Asc ruler on the other's Dsc is a very strong interaspect.

3. Also look out for people whose Dsc ruler is in Scorpio. Asc ruler conjunct Dsc ruler is powerful, too.

4. Men who have hard aspects between Venus and Pluto and Moon and Uranus natally would notice your Scorpio Venus and Aqua Moon.

Always look for equality in synastry. It's not enough if just one person ticks all the boxes.

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Hmm, good breakdown. Raises more questions for me through. So all of my long lasting partners have 12H moon, there were a few Virgo moons, Leo and Pisces moon. Not sure why I attract this energy. Also, I am not a fan of Virgo moon guys, living with them is a nit picky hell and I start to run away from them.

Out of all 4 options you listed I had option 3. It lasted 5 years and then our Uranus transits hit. I don't think I want to go back to that guy now after reflecting on our relationship.

I was also excited for once for a synsatry chart with the Cap without that many hard aspects. I like conjunctions and trines, but squares and oppositions are just too much to handle. And realistically there just so many conjunctions to have.

And about embodying female/male energy, will this matter who is wearing the pants in the relationships? Somehow I always end up running the show and wonder if the roles here get reversed as I am really not attracted to Virgo Sun men, nor Venus and Mars. They choke me. I really like this current guy's Scorp Mars/Cap Venus combo, will be on the lookout for this to hit my planets in the future if he even exists.

I also had option 4 for 9 years. He married someone he met a week after we broke up and she is a Scorp moon with Aqua Venus/Mars. She is not touching his Venus or Mars at all, not sure about her rules because do not know her birth time. His Venus is a Cap and Mars in Virgo.

posted October 18, 2019 02:23 AM            

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unless I'm blind, doesn't she put her sun (and mercury?) in his 7th house, so does affect his relationship house? Also, apart from her mars and moon hitting his personal planets, her ascendant falls in his 8th house. In my experience this is a huuuuugggge attraction factor for him. I have no doubt he feels a deep attraction for her. However, as a triple capricorn myself with lots of friends with capricorn and scorpio personal planets....I disagree what someone else mentioned, that capricorns don't look back (on the contrary. But leaving all of this aside, what worries me is that this thing with the ex doesnt sound resolved at all. He clearly states that he still loves her and if you still fight with a person, it is not done. So yes, you have a great pull on him, but from my experience if a man still loves someone else and says so, it is a tricky situation. Unless he gets the other woman out of his system completely (especially with a capricorn and scorpio chart), he will not be ready to commit to you. So putting too much pressure on can backfire, but just being available for sex without can backfire as well. The good thing is that through your work you will always be around, so I would assume it would be extremely difficult for him to just break the bond between you. But yes, the fact that he states that he is still in love with another woman would be a red flag for me and would try to protect my feelings a litle bit. You have made your attraction and commitment clear to him, I would probably hang back a bit. Also, I know a few men that are strongly scorpionic incl. mars in scorpio ...there is definitely the need to chase and will go after when he wants a woman.

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Thank you anska for your input. I was without an internet connection so just checking on this thread now. The ex is unfortunately still on his mind even though they did stop talking 2 weeks ago. I am now thinking that if the ex comes up in a conversation one more time it will be a good time and reason ti break things off. Too bad because the sex is definitely amazing for both of us and I would probably be OK with just that if I wouldn't want more.

He is also contradicting himself a lot, one day planning a trip together 2 month in advance and another saying that he can't give me what I want. So who knows what he wants.

Not sure if there is a way to turn things around at this point so I will just have to suffer for the next 2 years haha. I blame it on the Uranus transit to my Pluto/Venus for all of these uranian unavailable man in my life lately.

posted October 19, 2019 08:47 AM            

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Also... and too unless I am blind aren't her Moon and Mercury unaspected? I worry moreso about the Moon than the Mercury. To have an unaspected Moon feels very alienating over time. It's like this black hole where you feel emotionally misunderstood.

I think it's too early to predict the longevity and future of this relationship. It's all lust and passion right now (very obvious by the synastry) which might be blinding, but once that wears off and reality sets in (if a real committed relationship ever forms) then the issues may start to rear their ugly heads. Only then will you be able to say definitively say if this is a 'forever' thing.

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This is interesting because I did not have strong aspects to my moon in most of my relationships. Most of the time there was some sort of inconjunct from the other moon and definitely felt uncomfortable. With the last guy moon was square mars out of sign and definitely things ended as often predicted - in a physical fight.

Also, since my original post exceeded the image allowance I am adding our Davison/Natal overlays just because they are interesting. Davison Sun right on my vertex😳

Synastry with Davison:
Me

Him