posted October 31, 2019 04:53 AM            

His Pluto-her Sun : his Saturn-herVenus : his Uranus-her Jupiter. ... "S&M R US".

posted October 31, 2019 11:22 AM            

thank you! You are in a way confirming my suspisions. What interested me was whether this configuration can be a sign of abuse (him abusing her). I know that most of the time when people see Sun Pluto or Mars Sun in synastry they straight away think of sexual chemistry, sparks etc. By I think it's very often overlooked that conjunctions and squuares or oppositions can provoke aggression, physical and emotional abuse, ego clashes, all sorts of problems in that key.. If you look at my synastry with him (again in that other thread, 1st synatry), my Pluto squares his Mars and I did feel this negative side of this aspect as aggression. There was no physical abuse but I do believe there could be, it could come to that. There was emotional abuse, manipulation. I feel like a victim. His natal square between his Pluto and Sun Mars conjunction is looking for an outlet, looking for a victim. And maybe he found her in this girl.

How do you interpret his Uranus conjunct her Jupiter? I'm lost here. Also, what do you think about her Uranus opposite his Mars? How do you interpret that?

posted November 01, 2019 04:09 AM            

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You are in a way confirming my suspisions. What interested me was whether this configuration can be a sign of abuse (him abusing her). I know that most of the time when people see Sun Pluto or Mars Sun in synastry they straight away think of sexual chemistry, sparks etc. By I think it's very often overlooked that conjunctions and squuares or oppositions can provoke aggression, physical and emotional abuse, ego clashes, all sorts of problems in that key.. If you look at my synastry with him (again in that other thread, 1st synatry), my Pluto squares his Mars and I did feel this negative side of this aspect as aggression. There was no physical abuse but I do believe there could be, it could come to that. There was emotional abuse, manipulation. I feel like a victim. His natal square between his Pluto and Sun Mars conjunction is looking for an outlet, looking for a victim. And maybe he found her in this girl.

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posted November 01, 2019 05:07 AM            

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How do you interpret his Uranus conjunct her Jupiter?

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Thus, his Uranus (in 10th) Sagittarius conjunction with her Jupiter (in 12th) reflects their shared view that he is guiding her (naive/uninitiated) Jupiter "beyond the rings/boundaries of Saturn" - into the exciting realm of unpredictable Uranus.

And this is ok ... IF, and only if, she is ready to move into that realm safely. ... (Which, I suspect, is the concern that is currently eating away at you.)

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Also, what do you think about her Uranus opposite his Mars? How do you interpret that?

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And, he also writes "a sign of handling this interaction correctly would be when one (or both) can control their urge to react or rebel, born of the realisation that they do have their own mind, and are free to do and think as they please".

So ... her Uranus in Capricorn/11th is a wise-friend* teaching/showing his Mars in Leo/6th how to control by serving (rather than taking centre stage).

posted November 02, 2019 03:01 AM            

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safely..you mean he will give her what she wants and it doesn't necessarily have to mean abuse?

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Hence, those subjective modifications can only be made if the astrology student has a personal/intimate knowledge of the situation.... which, with this man/couple, you have - and I do not.

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I think he wants to be able to control a woman. Otherwise he feels insecure. In relationship with me he always felt like I had an upper hand which was an issue for him, he always wanted me to have more feelings for him. As soon as I fell in love with him (more feelings how he wanted), he started abusing me emotionally, his feelings for me (love) disappeared. I think with her he told me that she loves him.

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If the person loves another and is willing to do whatever their partner wants them to do, then the question is will this partner appreciate this (he feels in control now) or will he abuse her having the power over that person?

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But maybe this is impossible to answer..I don;t know. Maybe it depends on the other person. If they feel like a victim then it's an abuse but if they don't and enjoy being controlled (she's a Scorpio after all) then maybe she's not a victim and it's not an abuse then. What do you think? Astrology has an answer to this?

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If an astrology student does not ascertain the soul intention (i.e.. what is "promised" in the natal chart), is his/her reading likely to be helping or harming the chart owner?

posted November 02, 2019 06:26 PM            

I really like your philosophical, non-fatalistic approach to astrological interpretations. I find that a lot of people, students as you say like to see black and white in astrology. I myself sin like that often make it fit to make it work. That's why it is always good to ask other people' opinion about the chart of somebody they don't actually know, that way you get an unbiased view of the picture.

Graham, may I ask you to have a look at his chart please? If you don't want to, I understand and it's ok, really. I feel like you do a very good job at seeing some things that I don't.

posted November 03, 2019 02:20 AM            

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I can post his natal separately here if you like.

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Are the house cusp degrees in the chart posted below correct?

This matters, because the interceptions+duplications change significantly as the ascendant moves forward through just one degree and 43minutes of arc.)

Also ... was he raised in (and thus conditioned by) the culture of the country in which he was born ... and were you or/and the younger female raised in/conditioned by a different culture?

posted November 03, 2019 10:37 AM            

Yes, this is a correct chart. The time I know of is 8.35pm but it's not rectified of course, could be earlier..or could be exactly that time.

posted November 04, 2019 02:07 AM            

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
No, 'here' is the UK so we communicate in english but we're from different countries, not from the UK. So yes, third culture.

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Note his soul-development journey ... came into the world in one culture ... had a marriage/partnership with you/someone from a quite different culture ... then married someone from his own culture ... all overlaid by everyday-living contacts (in the UK) with people from a variety of cultures (and a west-european country in which "anything is acceptable/ok, provided it does not disturb the horses".

posted November 04, 2019 02:57 AM            

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You see that Moon Venus opposition in his natal chart? How do you interpret it? This is very interesting because in 2 years' time he will have transiting Neptune square that opposition..I wonder what will it mean?

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The Moon-Venus opposition is part of a Moon-Venus-Mercury-Saturn aspect pattern (known in the Huber School of astrology as a Decorative Figure - because, like all good decorations, it's aim/intention/purpose is "to be noticed"). ... So, we need to interpret the configuration as a whole - because that is how it will always be activated by progressions and transits.

However ... your detailed knowledge of him indicates that the moon-opposed-venus conflict is about nurturing vs valuing another (as a person rather than a possession) ... with the mercury-square-saturn indicating a mind that has been conditioned to "take control".

Moreover ... if you look on the outer rim of the posted Huber-style chart image, each house has two degrees marked/highlighted in black. ... The first of these = the balance point of the house energy - whilst the second = it's low energy point. ... And, we can see clearly that Saturn is at the balance point of the 9th house - whilst the Moon is at the low energy point of the 10th.

Hence ... this Saturn is "comfortable in it's own skin" (so assumes it has "the right to control others") - whilst the Moon feels "unnoticed by others" (so assumes it must "demand attention", perhaps by sulking when not getting it).

So ... when Neptune squares that Moon-Venus opposition from Pisces/1st, perhaps what you currently suspect will become very apparent to everyone who knows him.

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And the same question about his Sun Mars conjunction square Pluto. Eventually (4 years or so) transiting Pluto will make an opposition to that conjunction so it's like Really bringing that part of his personality in full swing. How do you interpret it?

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The Sun-conjunct-Mars is personalising his/your generation's Capricorn Neptune-Scorpio Pluto evolutionary task/objective ... of dissolving barriers (created by the status quo/"conditioning") to the letting-go of taboos. (And Chiron is doing the same in your own natal chart).

So, might that taboo be society's conditioned beliefs about what is/is not "abusive" behaviour?

However, the Pluto-Neptune-Mars/Sun aspect pattern in the above posted image is (known in Huber Astrology as) a Large Learning Triangle - and it's aim/intention/purpose is to "expand the consciousness, learning and development of the chart owner". ... So, whenever it is activated by progressions or/and transits, events will be created which provide him with an opportunity to question/challenge his own beliefs about what is/is not abusive behaviour.

posted November 04, 2019 10:32 AM            

Just excellent! You're too good, really. Can't thank you enough. Do you have a website or some contact details maybe? If you do readings, maybe I can buy one from you one day? Synastries, natal, any random quesgtions even.

Huber school of astrology..never heard of that before. Very interesting approach. I would say everything is spot on, especially this:

"Hence ... this Saturn is "comfortable in it's own skin" (so assumes it has "the right to control others") - whilst the Moon feels "unnoticed by others" (so assumes it must "demand attention", perhaps by sulking when not getting it)."

I suspect he has NPD (narcissistic personality disorder). Low self esteem masked by high opinion of himself, self-entitlement, lack of empathy. If you get upset with him for whatever reason, he will get upset with you for getting upset with him. You cannot criticise him, he cannot stand it. All his life he feels like a victim, as if life dealt him bad cards, even though it's not like that at all. He's just an ordinary guy with an ordinary life, nothing bad really happened in his life..as far as I know of in 12 years of being in close contact with him. I often wonder if NPD can be told from a chart. But probably not..again, it's subjective. Even me 'diagnosing' him like that is not right, it's still subjective. Sometimes even trained psychotherapists can't do it.

"The Sun-conjunct-Mars is personalising his/your generation's Capricorn Neptune-Scorpio Pluto evolutionary task/objective ... of dissolving barriers (created by the status quo) to the letting-go of taboos. (And Chiron is doing the same in your own natal chart).

So, might that taboo be society's conditioned beliefs about what is/is not "abusive" behaviour?"

I can tell you a little about this Sun Mars square Pluto thing from observer's point of view. If we leave 'abuse' (whatever it is or isn't) out then it makes him a workaholic. If not work, then he will find something to busy himself with, to the point of exhaustion. That's the main objective - to feel like a squeezed out lemon at the end of the day. I always thought it was cruel to do that to yourself. But it almost feels like he has an inevitable urge to do that to himself. If I look at it from the perspective of having an NPD then he does that to make himself feel good about himself (his achievements). In his words he 'likes a challenge'. And you know what? I feel like I was that challenge for him too for years! Smh

posted November 04, 2019 10:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
Note his soul-development journey ... came into the world in one culture ... had a marriage/partnership with you/someone from a quite different culture ... then married someone from his own culture ... all overlaid by everyday-living contacts (in the UK) with people from a variety of cultures (and a west-european country in which "anything is acceptable/ok, provided it does not disturb the horses'.

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posted November 05, 2019 03:26 AM            

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
Oh by the way, do you prefer my synastry with him or theirs'?

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Hence ... I have no preference ... because both relationships are unfolding as intended by the three souls.

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Can't thank you enough. Do you have a website or some contact details maybe? If you do readings, maybe I can buy one from you one day? Synastries, natal, any random quesgtions even.

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... I have now reached an age where I can no longer be sure of living long enough to on a pair of socks each morning. But, I shall keep an eye out for any future threads by you - and will respond to them if able to do so.