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summerflowers
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posted December 02, 2019 03:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerflowers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello everyone. This is my first post
I'm currently meeting a guy with many Saturn aspects in our synastry chart.

Me - Him

Saturn Conjunction Saturn 6‹(since we are the same age)
Saturn Trine Mercury 0‹45'
Moon Trine Saturn 0‹55'
Saturn Trine Jupiter 0‹57'
Venus Trine Saturn 2‹
Node Trine Saturn 2‹
Saturn Trine Sun 4‹40' (I have this natally)

We are not comfortable with each other and judged each other a lot at first but feeling a strong bond that even the dates were not great, we still see each other.
After about 4 months (yeah it took a lot of time), we kissed the first time on our 7th date (no sex yet) and then he's kinda pulling away (less messages, less initial actions).
Although I feel the love for him is growing within me, I don't know how he feels right now. Does this relationship have the potential to grow into something further?

Our synastry chart (tons of trines )


Other significant aspects:

Me - Him

Sun Trine Sun 1‹
Sun Conjunction Jupiter 2‹
Sun Trine Mercury 2‹
Mars Conjunction Venus 2‹
Venus Opposite Mars 7‹
Jupiter Opposite Mars 1‹
AS Opposite Mars 6‹
Pluto Opposite Mars 4‹(he has this natally)
AS Conjunction Pluto 0‹06' (I have this natally)
Mercury Square Neptune 0‹05' (I have this natally)
Mercury Square Uranus 2‹(I have this natally)
Chiron Square Moon 1‹
Chiron Trine Mars 0‹48'
Venus Square Venus 5‹
Sun Square Venus 6‹
Mercury Sextile Moon 0‹12'


There are few Moon aspects, so there's a lack of emotional connection.
There are few Venus aspects too, so I don't know if he really likes me or not.
The sexual attraction is apparent, though.


Our composite chart:

Sun Conjunction Mercury 3‹
Moon Conjunction Venus 6‹
Sun Opposite Saturn 7‹
Moon Square Mars 1‹
Mercury Square Pluto 2‹
Venus Square Mars 4‹57'
Sun Square Pluto 5‹24'
Venus Trine Uranus 2‹50'
Venus Trine Neptune 5‹
Mars Trine Saturn 7‹
Jupiter Trine Saturn 3‹
Sun Sextile Mars 0‹01'
Venus Sextile Pluto 0‹25'
Mercury Sextile Mars 3‹

Sun in House 12
Moon in House 1
Mercury in House 12
Venus in House 1
Mars in House 10


I would appreciate it if anyone can see the potential in this synastry/composite.
Sorry for my bad English.

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SecretGeek
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posted December 02, 2019 03:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"we kissed the first time on our 7th date"

Very unusual.

I'd go to the next one.

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summerflowers
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posted December 02, 2019 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerflowers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SecretGeek:
"we kissed the first time on our 7th date"

Very unusual.


I'm a shy Asian and don't have much experience with love, so it's kinda OK for me...

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Pereya
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posted December 02, 2019 07:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pereya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by summerflowers:
I'm currently meeting a guy with many Saturn aspects in our synastry chart.

Me - Him

Saturn Conjunction Saturn 6‹(since we are the same age)
Saturn Trine Mercury 0‹45'
Moon Trine Saturn 0‹55'
Saturn Trine Jupiter 0‹57'
Venus Trine Saturn 2‹
Node Trine Saturn 2‹
Saturn Trine Sun 4‹40' (I have this natally)

We are not comfortable with each other and judged each other a lot at first but feeling a strong bond that even the dates were not great, we still see each other.
After about 4 months (yeah it took a lot of time), we kissed the first time on our 7th date (no sex yet) and then he's kinda pulling away (less messages, less initial actions).
Although I feel the love for him is growing within me, I don't know how he feels right now. Does this relationship have the potential to grow into something further?


Other significant aspects:

Me - Him

Sun Trine Sun 1‹
Sun Conjunction Jupiter 2‹
Sun Trine Mercury 2‹
Mars Conjunction Venus 2‹
Venus Opposite Mars 7‹
Jupiter Opposite Mars 1‹
AS Opposite Mars 6‹
Pluto Opposite Mars 4‹(he has this natally)
AS Conjunction Pluto 0‹06' (I have this natally)
Mercury Square Neptune 0‹05' (I have this natally)
Mercury Square Uranus 2‹(I have this natally)
Chiron Square Moon 1‹
Chiron Trine Mars 0‹48'
Venus Square Venus 5‹
Sun Square Venus 6‹
Mercury Sextile Moon 0‹12'

There are few Moon aspects, so there's a lack of emotional connection.
There are few Venus aspects too, so I don't know if he really likes me or not.
The sexual attraction is apparent, though.


His chart:
Sun 1‹11' Cancer
Moon 22‹38' Sagittarius
Mercury 5‹06' Cancer
Venus 8‹50' Leo
Mars 22‹03' Taurus
Jupiter 4‹54' Scorpio
Saturn 12‹24' Pisces
AS 7‹` 20‹(dunno exact time) Cancer

My chart:
Sun 2‹22' Scorpio
Moon 13‹20' Cancer
Mercury 22‹26' Libra
Venus 14‹47' Scorpio
Mars 11‹28' Leo
Jupiter 20‹14' Scorpio
Saturn 5‹51' Pisces
AS 25‹53' Scorpio


Our composite chart:
Sun Conjunction Mercury 3‹
Moon Conjunction Venus 6‹
Sun Opposite Saturn 7‹
Moon Square Mars 1‹
Mercury Square Pluto 2‹
Venus Square Mars 4‹57'
Sun Square Pluto 5‹24'
Venus Trine Uranus 2‹50'
Venus Trine Neptune 5‹
Mars Trine Saturn 7‹
Jupiter Trine Saturn 3‹
Sun Sextile Mars 0‹01'
Venus Sextile Pluto 0‹25'
Mercury Sextile Mars 3‹

Sun in House 12
Moon in House 1
Mercury in House 12
Venus in House 1
Mars in House 10


I would appreciate it if anyone can see the potential in this synastry/composite.
Sorry for my bad English.


Many of the aspects are actually good ones. And yet your relationship is overwhelmed by Saturn energy. Thatfs why it feels so hard. Look:
1. Saturn Conjunction Saturn 6‹ wonft work – orb too wide
2. Saturn Trine Mercury 0‹45' - rather negative for romantic relationship – which may give you arguments because Saturn is harsh and skeptical of Mercuryfs ideas. I wish I knew the sign they are in and all the chart in general.
3. Moon Trine Saturn 0‹55' – especially negative for romantic relationship – cause Saturn suppresses Moon who canft freely express her feeling and has to stay constrained emotionally.
4. Saturn Trine Jupiter 0‹57' – positive and stabilizing; gives the relationship a structure and a ground to stand on.
5. Venus Trine Saturn 2‹ – positive and works like glue
6. Node Trine Saturn 2‹ - thatfs what slows down your progress in the relationship
7. Saturn Trine Sun 4‹40 wonft work – orb too wide
8. Sun Trine Sun 1‹ - great understanding if you will work out the first 2 aspects
9. Sun Conjunction Jupiter 2‹ - he makes you very happy. I have noticed that in bad relationships full of hard aspects and conflicts this one Jupiter aspect is enough to bring people together and hold them tight for a while but in the end everything depends on how you both handle negative aspects
10. Sun Trine Mercury 2‹ - same as #8
11. Mars Conjunction Venus 2‹ - depends on whofs more active in your couple. If you - great
12. Venus Opposite Mars 7‹ wonft work – orb too wide
13. Jupiter Opposite Mars 1‹ the conflict or collision of his desires and the direction youfre going in. It gives differences of opinions. However, a lot depends on the signs. If you work it out, you may work in a team – he motivates you, you get inspired and produce something.
14. AS Opposite Mars 6‹ - I donft work with AS, I use Vertex instead
15. Pluto Opposite Mars 4‹(he has this natally) – hhhmm, he MIGHT be obsessed with you but the orb is too wide 
16. AS Conjunction Pluto 0‹06' (I have this natally) same as #14
17. Mercury Square Neptune 0‹05' (I have this natally) – 2 ways: he may inspire you; he may deceive you or get you confused; you may have illusions of him
18. Mercury Square Uranus 2‹(I have this natally) - he may inspire you
19. Chiron Square Moon 1‹ - you may hurt him
20. Chiron Trine Mars 0‹48' you give him impulses. Of what kind? Depends on signs & houses
21. Venus Square Venus 5‹ - different tastes but the orb is too wide
22. Sun Square Venus 6‹ - the orb is too wide
23. Mercury Sextile Moon 0‹12' you are sensitive to his mood
I wonder wherefs Lilith and Vertex?
Anyway, judging by these aspects I canft say he has strong feeling for you Sorry. Whatfs more important hefs Cancer – he wonft want to suffer from Saturn influence and he wonft admit it. You need another Scorpio or Leo

Your English is great by the way

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summerflowers
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posted December 02, 2019 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerflowers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pereya, thank you so much for the detailed answer!

quote:
Originally posted by Pereya:

I wonder where's Lilith and Vertex?

Mine:
Lilith 2 degrees Gemini
Vertex Leo 4 degrees

His:
Lilith 27 degrees Taurus
Vertex Scorpio 25 degrees ~ Sagittarius 6 degrees (he doesn't know his exact birth time)

So, his Lilith Opposite my Pluto 0 degree 18' (he has this natally)
his Lilith Opposite my AS 1 degree 23'
his Lilith Square my MC 1 degree 51'

quote:
Originally posted by Pereya:

Anyway, judging by these aspects I can't say he has strong feeling for you Sorry. What's more important he's Cancer - he won't want to suffer from Saturn influence and he won‘―t admit it. You need another Scorpio or Leo

I see... I have sensed that he's not that into me and he won't commit easily either lol.
Anyway I want to be his long term friend at least.
I broke up with a Leo whose Moon conjuncts my Mars due to our different backgrounds
and I have hurt him badly

quote:
Originally posted by Pereya:

Your English is great by the way


Thank you

quote:
Originally posted by Pereya:

I wish I knew the sign they are in and all the chart in general.


I'll post our synastry chart later, so please tell me if you can see something more

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sassaqua
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posted December 02, 2019 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sassaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have good aspects.

The Saturn aspects you have to his chart, as you are the same age, all people of his peers will have the same Saturn aspects to his chart.

Contrary to what has been said above: the Saturn aspects are not at all bad. Especially the "easy" ones - these are all good.

Viewing the closer aspects (close orbs) are a good way to figure what aspects will stand out, and play a strong role in your interaction: Eg, Chiron Square Moon will be tricky.

But, again, he will have this in his chart too. AND all his peers will have Chiron square to his Moon.

He carries a bit of pain then (his Chiron square his Moon). We all have something.

I don't think they are bad aspects. But I didn't dig all that deep into them (a chart picture is much better).

7th date to kiss is fine! I think with Saturn it is a slow burn - it takes time. But will be serious rs.

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Pereya
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posted December 03, 2019 03:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pereya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by summerflowers:
Pereya, thank you so much for the detailed answer!

I see... I have sensed that he's not that into me and he won't commit easily either lol.
Anyway I want to be his long term friend at least.
I broke up with a Leo whose Moon conjuncts my Mars due to our different backgrounds
and I have hurt him badly

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pereya:
[b]
Your English is great by the way



Thank you

quote:
Originally posted by Pereya:

I wish I knew the sign they are in and all the chart in general.


I'll post our synastry chart later, so please tell me if you can see something more [/B][/QUOTE]

his Lilith Opposite your Pluto 0 degree 18' - well, that explains your attraction. Though Pluto is slow, its active orb is half-degree. And this aspect means he can make you better. You can also send me your synastry chart directly via the website below

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summerflowers
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posted December 03, 2019 07:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerflowers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sassaqua, thanks for your answer! I really appreciate it

quote:
Originally posted by sassaqua:
Eg, Chiron Square Moon will be tricky.

But, again, he will have this in his chart too. AND all his peers will have Chiron square to his Moon.

He carries a bit of pain then (his Chiron square his Moon). We all have something.



Yeah...I don't know how I can hurt him.
I feel like I'm the one who will be hurt.
Btw his Chiron is 5 degrees Virgo, and mine is 21 degrees Virgo.
He's 4 months older than me

quote:

I don't think they are bad aspects. But I didn't dig all that deep into them (a chart picture is much better).

I'll post the chart right below, so please tell me if you know something

quote:

7th date to kiss is fine! I think with Saturn it is a slow burn - it takes time. But will be serious rs.

Thanks. Yeah it's really serious. Feels like we can not easily joke or have fun with each other and that suffocates me since my Libra Mercury loves to joke . Things are getting better though

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summerflowers
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posted December 03, 2019 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerflowers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Pereya:
his Lilith Opposite your Pluto 0 degree 18' - well, that explains your attraction. Though Pluto is slow, its active orb is half-degree. And this aspect means he can make you better. You can also send me your synastry chart directly via the website below


I didn't know the meaning of Lilith - Pluto. Thanks for telling me. I'll check your website later

I'll post the charts right below


I pulled away a little bit and he's sending more messages to me now. What a sensitive Cancer lol

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summerflowers
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posted December 03, 2019 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerflowers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These are our synastry chart and composite chart.
Can anyone read the charts for me please?

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Pereya
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posted December 04, 2019 06:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pereya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by summerflowers:
I didn't know the meaning of Lilith - Pluto. Thanks for telling me. I'll check your website later

I'll post the charts right below


I pulled away a little bit and he's sending more messages to me now. What a sensitive Cancer lol


Yeah, Cancers are sensitive. I'm a rising one. If you hurt me I'll minimize the communication. So turn off your Saturn with him

Is it your Jupiter on his NN? It's great! You can make him feel happy after all

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summerflowers
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posted December 04, 2019 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerflowers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Pereya:
Yeah, Cancers are sensitive. I'm a rising one. If you hurt me I'll minimize the communication. So turn off your Saturn with him

Thanks for the advice! I have Moon in Cancer, so I know that sensitiveness too.

quote:

Is it your Jupiter on his NN? It's great! You can make him feel happy after all

Wow. Really hope so

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Hikaru29
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posted December 04, 2019 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@summerflowers,
Saturn trines are very nice to have. They're not difficult aspects. A lot of long-term couples have Saturn hard aspects in synastry so it's wrong to think Saturn is bad. In fact, Saturn double whammy in synastry makes for very strong glue.

Your relationship's slow start could be indicated by your comp Saturn opposite Sun. cSaturn-Sun hard aspects usually show a relationship that progresses slowly, or there're obstacles. You have cPluto square Sun and that's a strong attraction indicator, that's why you continued to see each other even though conversations were not great. Some people say this aspect gives them a strong push/pull towards the other person.

What's really nice in your synastry is Moon conj ASC, Venus conj Mars, NN conj Jupiter/ASC, Sun conj Jupiter.

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summerflowers
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posted December 05, 2019 08:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerflowers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hikaru29, thank you for the insightful reply!

I wish I can experience a dw Saturn relationship
Idk if the trines are strong enough to be the real ties, though.

Thanks for the composite chart reading too!
I didn't understand cSun - Saturn and cSun - Pluto until your explanation. Now it makes sense
Whenever I look at his eyes, I feel an intensity that I almost never felt with anyone before. Feels like we can lock eyes forever haha.

quote:
Originally posted by Hikaru29:
@summerflowers,
What's really nice in your synastry is Moon conj ASC, Venus conj Mars, NN conj Jupiter/ASC, Sun conj Jupiter.

He doesn't know his exact birth time, so maybe the Moon ASC conjunction is wide orb (6 or 7 degrees).
There are few aspects to his Moon and Venus, so I'm always afraid that I'm not the one who he's looking for in a relationship


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posted December 05, 2019 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by summerflowers:
Whenever I look at his eyes, I feel an intenseness that I almost never felt with anyone before. Feels like we can lock eyes forever haha.

And that's cPluto-Sun for you! I totally understand what you mean as I've this aspect with my guy as well. When we first met, the eye-stare intensity is like 11/10. After 1.5yrs I still feel the intensity but a little less as we get more used to each other... still it's like 9/10, lol. This aspect also indicates a lot of jealousy/possessiveness issue.


quote:
He doesn't know his exact birth time, so maybe the Moon ASC conjunction is wide orb (6 or 7 degrees).
There are few aspects to his Moon and Venus, so I'm always afraid that I'm not the one who he's looking for in a relationship

That's too bad or we'll be able to tell how you're touching his relationship houses. W/o his accurate birth time, there's no way to know.

His Moon has very few aspects to your chart indeed but it does fall in your first house (if it does!) and that's a very nice placement.

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posted December 06, 2019 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerflowers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hikaru29:
And that's cPluto-Sun for you! I totally understand what you mean as I've this aspect with my guy as well. When we first met, the eye-stare intensity is like 11/10. After 1.5yrs I still feel the intensity but a little less as we get more used to each other... still it's like 9/10, lol.

Interesting. Was the intensity so overwhelming that you were uncomfortable with each other at first?
I thought this intensity was because of the sexual attraction coming from Mars & Venus
Didn't know that composite aspects have such powerful effects.

quote:
Originally posted by Hikaru29:
This aspect also indicates a lot of jealousy/possessiveness issue.

I see. I noticed he was a little bit bothered when someone sent a message to my phone and I reached out to the phone to open it immediately lol

quote:
Originally posted by Hikaru29:
That's too bad or we'll be able to tell how you're touching his relationship houses. W/o his accurate birth time, there's no way to know.

His Moon has very few aspects to your chart indeed but it does fall in your first house (if it does!) and that's a very nice placement.


Based on his range of birth time (around 5 - 6 a.m.), his Moon probably falls in my 1st house although its position is quite close to my 2nd house.
My Sun is on his 4th or 5th house, and my Venus is probably on his 5th house.
Are the house placements that important?

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posted December 06, 2019 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Yes, the intensity was very uncomfortable but immensely attractive at the same time. I kept avoiding his eyes haha.. But at the same time I was drawn to it like a moth to flame.

He wasn't that jealous in the beginning but once we entered a serious r/s he became more and more jealous and possessive. But he controls it so we don't have serious clash,thank God.haha. I believe this aspect needs a lot of maturity.

Ideally you want at least some planets overlay in romantic houses 5/7/8 as you bring out romantic/attraction feelings in each other. Of course this is just one of the attraction factors. Another factor is also how you're activating each other's r/s house rulers, angles, angle rulers, NN, Vertex. IME planet-planet interactions don't guarantee attraction.

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summerflowers
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posted December 07, 2019 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerflowers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ I see. Glad you're handling it well!

Thanks for the explanations. Wish that I knew his exact birth time to get a more accurate reading about the houses.

He confessed his feelings to me today (8th date). We're officially a couple from now on. It's still kinda awkward though
Btw I'm not sure if he really likes me or he just wants to have sex with me quick. I haven't trusted him totally yet. Feels like our relationship lacks of emotional connections. I would appreciate if you have any advice.

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posted December 09, 2019 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ If you feel a lack of emotional connection then is he really a good match?

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posted December 11, 2019 03:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerflowers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hikaru29:
^ If you feel a lack of emotional connection then is he really a good match?

I don't know. I'm confused

Maybe it's because we speak in his native language, not mine, so it's harder for me to feel things.
Although there were doubts, I was really happy when he confessed to me.
I asked him first, "What are we, friends or a couple?"
He said, "At least we are friends."

An hour later, he said something like "Let's date. I like you."
And I was thinking, "Are you for real? Do you really like me?"
But still I was happy and we kissed and hugged like at last we found each other.

We have similar personalities: we don't talk much and don't easily open up to others.
Sometimes talking to him feels like talking to a mirror because I know exactly what he will say.
We have really different tastes, though. For example, he likes salted popcorn and I like caramel popcorn, lol.
I like summer and he likes winter.
I like going out for a walk and having a romantic dinner while he likes staying indoor and playing video games.
I like watching The Bachelors and he doesn't.
He likes watching action movies and I don't.
We often agree to disagree.

It was kinda fun and annoying to argue with him. I was irritated by him each time I met him, but realized I really miss him after that.

I like the way he thinks and his voice.
He's not that handsome, but I find him sexy.
I don't like the way he dresses though, lol.

I have a feeling that we can count on each other in hard times, but Idk if it's true.
Idk if he wants something further or just wants to have sex.
Time will tell, huh.

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posted December 11, 2019 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Take it slowly then. You don't have to jump into bed with him straight away. His Neptune sextile your ASC is probably responsible for that intuitive connection you mentioned but be careful of the Neptune-Mercury square as it shows confusing communication, so you may end up relying too heavily on non-verbal communication. I have this aspect with my guy as well and he also has this in natal. I feel that he beats around the bush and sometimes contradicts himself so it can be a challenge trying to pin him down. To overcome this, just remember to be straightforward and honest.

You have Venus in Scorpio while he has Venus in Leo. Different tastes! Likely your values, how you manage your finances etc will also be different. And in fixed signs... neither will budge. However, I've not heard of Venus squares being particularly difficult to handle. What happens is you probably need a lot more compromises and/or agree to disagree. Maybe others who've experienced it can offer their take.

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summerflowers
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posted December 12, 2019 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerflowers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Thank you so much for the analysis and advice!
Yeah, I have Mercury square Neptune natally,
so it's even harder for me
to convey my thoughts clearly to him.
Sometimes he beats around the bush too.
I'll try to be straightforward and honest as you said.

I've never thought Venus squares would irritate me so much
What I want to do and what he wants to do don't match.
Actually I'm arguing with him about going to Tokyo Disneyland now lol.
He's bothered by the crowds and the ticket reservation, while I don't mind at all.
We both love to stay indoor and cuddle though.

Btw, do you think the grand trines have some binding effects?
He has grand trine natally (Mercury - Jupiter - Saturn), and he completes my Moon-Venus and Sun-Saturn trines.
I wish I had natal grand trine too

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posted December 13, 2019 07:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haha I understand. My mom and I have Venus squares and we're forever arguing over what is nice...from clothes, movies, music to food! We never like the same things! Wait till you live together lol. This really requires a lot of give & take. And isn't relationship like that?

Patterns completion in synastry is supposed to be binding but it depends on which planets are involved. Grand trines are always nice. It shows an easy flow of energy. There's a thread on it somewhere. Natal grand trines show the area of life where this person feels really at ease but the negative is they may feel too complacent. My dad has lotsa trines in his natal.

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posted December 16, 2019 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerflowers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Haha I understand. My mom and I have Venus squares and we're forever arguing over what is nice...from clothes, movies, music to food! We never like the same things! Wait till you live together lol. This really requires a lot of give & take. And isn't relationship like that?

That's interesting
I realized my mom and I have Venus trines, so maybe that's why even when we have arguments, we still like each other.
I really like watching movies and going shopping with her.
About my new boyfriend, hope we can be generous with each other enough lol.

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Patterns completion in synastry is supposed to be binding but it depends on which planets are involved. Grand trines are always nice. It shows an easy flow of energy. There's a thread on it somewhere. Natal grand trines show the area of life where this person feels really at ease but the negative is they may feel too complacent. My dad has lotsa trines in his natal.

I see. I have lots of trines too and I'm kinda lazy haha

Our grand trines are:
Moon - Venus - Saturn,
Sun - Sun - Saturn,
Sun - Saturn - Mercury,
Sun - Jupiter - Saturn
so it'll be binding huh.

There's one more thing I concern about. His Mars is activated A LOT in our synastry (he also has 3 Mars aspects natally), so does it mean something?

Him - Me
Mars Opposite Jupiter 1‹49'
Mars Opposite AS 3‹49'
Mars Opposite Venus 7‹16'
Mars Opposite Pluto 4‹55' (he has this natally)
Mars Trine Uranus 0‹34' (he has this natally)
Mars Trine Neptune 1‹19' (he has this natally)

I only have one Mars aspect to him (my Mars conjunct his Venus).
My Mars has very few aspects natally too.
However, I still feel the sexual attraction to him.

Actually I'm worried about his Mars opposites my Pluto and his Pluto conjuncts my Ascendant (I have this natally).
Will it lead to some sort of domestic violence especially when we argue a lot?
I really look forward to hearing what you think.

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posted December 20, 2019 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by summerflowers:
Our grand trines are:
Moon - Venus - Saturn,
Sun - Sun - Saturn,
Sun - Saturn - Mercury,
Sun - Jupiter - Saturn
so it'll be binding huh.

Yes, these are nice. Sun-Saturn in flowing aspect is much easier to handle than the hard ones where Sun can often feel criticised by Saturn. Moon-Venus-Saturn is emotional commitment. Again, easy flow.

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There's one more thing I concern about. His Mars is activated A LOT in our synastry (he also has 3 Mars aspects natally), so does it mean something?

Him - Me
Mars Opposite Jupiter 1‹49'
Mars Opposite AS 3‹49'
Mars Opposite Venus 7‹16'
Mars Opposite Pluto 4‹55' (he has this natally)
Mars Trine Uranus 0‹34' (he has this natally)
Mars Trine Neptune 1‹19' (he has this natally)

I only have one Mars aspect to him (my Mars conjunct his Venus).
My Mars has very few aspects natally too.
However, I still feel the sexual attraction to him.

Actually I'm worried about his Mars opposites my Pluto and his Pluto conjuncts my Ascendant (I have this natally).
Will it lead to some sort of domestic violence especially when we argue a lot?
I really look forward to hearing what you think.


His Mars opp your ASC means it's conjunct your DSC so I'm not surprised that you're sexual attracted, haha. And you have Mars-Venus DW + Mars opp Pluto so sexual attraction is no lacking on both ends. However, his Mars is also opposite your Pluto so there will be power struggles which may affect the connection.

Pluto conj ASC is a very intense connection and it's right up your alley with your Scorpio Pluto/ASC, and with your 8H Moon, I'm guessing you probably doesn't like anything light and superficial.

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