posted December 15, 2019 04:17 AM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
Or the sex becomes highly tantric... which is the opposite effect. This couple would be able to reach heightened states together with vigorous practice.

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posted December 15, 2019 04:36 AM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
Or the sex becomes highly tantric... which is the opposite effect. This couple would be able to reach heightened states together with vigorous practice.

The 12th house also rules “bed comfort”: sexual private pleasure, ability, desires, fulfillment. Powerful mystical experiences that dissolve the ego also accord with the 12th house. Tantric sex falls under this umbrella. Sex can serve as a gateway to enhanced spiritual states.

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posted December 17, 2019 09:19 AM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
Or the sex becomes highly tantric... which is the opposite effect. This couple would be able to reach heightened states together with vigorous practice.

The 12th house also rules “bed comfort”: sexual private pleasure, ability, desires, fulfillment. Powerful mystical experiences that dissolve the ego also accord with the 12th house. Tantric sex falls under this umbrella. Sex can serve as a gateway to enhanced spiritual states.

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nice!
Have you seen this happen?

posted December 17, 2019 04:13 PM            

It’s not an aspect for unspiritual couples, hence why most people drop off or even cheat

posted December 17, 2019 04:19 PM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
Ah my comment seems to attract a lot of intrigue. Yes I have seen or rather “done” this. :blush: However, in my case, Pluto was also is in the composite 4th House, adding to the velocity of sexual merging. Sex wasn’t normal, unless you call looking gently in someone’s eyes and completely losing your sense of body as normal.

It’s not an aspect for unspiritual couples, hence why most people drop off or even “cheat”.

lol “cheating” sounds funny in the context of sexual requirement and potential

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Would a strong uranus in natal mean spirituality for a person? and venus mars in 9th?

posted December 17, 2019 04:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Kamasutra?

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the ‘performance’ might benefit from having a method for doing “it”... martial arts 😋 Yab-Yummm

posted December 17, 2019 05:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Sinder:
the Composite Pluto is conjuncting mars in 12th by 7 degrees.

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posted December 17, 2019 07:47 PM            

Hey girl, not to sound harsh or anything lol I’m genuinely just confused... but didn’t your guy cheat on you? Or leave you for another women..? So the sex couldn’t have been that great like you described?
I’m confused I’ve seen you write a lot of posts about him and your relationship, but it seems very idealistic and not matching what you told me before? If this is the same guy that is, I could be wrong. But it seems like it is since the chart placements and aspects you mentioned are the same, and you said he isn’t speaking to you now and was very cold and cruel towards the end when he went off with the other women. & actually that’s a good example and shows more of the negative quality of how mars in the 12th can manifest. Mars is usually the male in the relationship, and 12th house is secret enemies. The way you described the relationship and his behaviour, the cheating/secrets (12th) with the other women is classic mars in 12th too.
I also forgot to mention, with my ex and his ex, towards the end she also started cheating with their mutual friend.

posted December 17, 2019 09:08 PM            

When delineating charts, unbiased perspective is key. We have to make sure that just because we had a certain aspect or placement with someone, we don’t let that skew our perspective. Looking at multiple different charts and gathering accurate data from finding the common themes/patterns with a particular aspect or placement is key.
Not just reading something in a book that I read. I speak from REAL LIFE examples and experience. Which is why I’m very confident in saying mars in the 12th is not a positive placement. You can call that ego if you want lol, (which is weird to me, because astrology is a science and has nothing to do with my personal self. I didn’t make or create any of it, so it’s not an extension of me or my ego whatsoever. So if I say this means this or that means that, it’s what I’ve discovered to be OBJECTIVELY true from studying charts, regardless of myself or personal feelings about it)

This isn’t about me being “right” or a personal ego thing lol, this is about making sure correct astrological info is spread. And since this is an Astro forum used as a resource for many, I care more about that than either of our egos. Sorry not sorry.

Also, what you wrote about the 12th house is VEDIC take on the 12th house. And since these charts are in Placidus, it’s a totally different house systems and therefore different meanings of the houses and interpretations. You shouldn’t mix the two, as it’s not accurate.

But I will honour your wish and not address you anymore after this point or respond to you again even if you reply to this post. Take care.

posted December 17, 2019 09:34 PM            

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Many a traditional astrologer would cast a nervous glance at Mars in the twelfth house, viewing it as portending secret enemies, surprise attacks, and injury. That view is unnecessarily grim, although we will integrate it—optionally!—into our evolutionary perspective before we are done. The key here is the realization that edgy, extreme experiences often strip us down to the bones, spiritually speaking.

A near-miss in an automobile, for example, can lead a person to think profound thoughts about the ultimate direction and purpose of life. Illness has often brought new, more vigorous existential engagement to someone who survives it. The familiar cliché about there being "no atheists in foxholes" summarizes the point quite succinctly: when the chips are down, we turn to the eternal. With their composite Mars in the twelfth house, these two people have signed up for a fierce path. Any planet in that house operates much like a guru—whether we like it or not. And Mars is a demanding one, especially if we resist it. That is the critical point: this couple can voluntarily go out and meet the extreme edges, or those edges can come and find them. Volunteering is not only the higher ground; it is also a lot more pleasant. What might that look like? Always, it is about taking chances based on faith.

Imagine these two people camping on a mountaintop. It's late at night. They are isolated. Various carnivorous beasts lurk in the shadows—and overhead the stars have never looked so transcendentally glorious. They lie on their backs, holding each other, content to know this might be their last night on Earth. That phrase is perhaps too dramatic, but it makes the point. The edge of fear, the sense of our smallness and fragility, the brevity of our physical lives in this vast, hard universe—all these forces come together in the perfection of that moment. And their war-god guru gazes down upon them, respectfully and satisfied. Of course if they decided they would rather spend their vacation safely in front of the television set, that's when the house catches fire! That's when thieves strike.

The point here is not all about magic moments on mountaintops, although that imagery is quite appropriate for this placement. Let’s also recognize that there are chances based on faith that we take in the framework of the relationship itself: the scary interpersonal subject we bring up, the confession we make for the sake of keeping the relationship honest, the sexual fantasy or need we overcome embarrassment and fear to express.

Those spooky paths can lead us to other kinds of mountaintops as well—and, as we have seen, mountaintops are the safest place in the world for these two souls.

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posted December 17, 2019 09:45 PM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Vansio;

Hey girl, not to sound harsh or anything lol I’m genuinely just confused... but didn’t your guy cheat on you? Or leave you for another women..? So the sex couldn’t have been that great like you described?
I’m confused I’ve seen you write a lot of posts about him and your relationship, but it seems very idealistic and not matching what you told me before? If this is the same guy that is, I could be wrong. But it seems like it is since the chart placements and aspects you mentioned are the same, and you said he isn’t speaking to you now and was very cold and cruel towards the end when he went off with the other women. & actually that’s a good example and shows more of the negative quality of how mars in the 12th can manifest. Mars is usually the male in the relationship, and 12th house is secret enemies. The way you described the relationship and his behaviour, the cheating/secrets (12th) with the other women is classic mars in 12th too.
I also forgot to mention, with my ex and his ex, towards the end she also started cheating with their mutual friend.

“Tantric sex” and all that is not mars in the 12th lol that’s wishful thinking, grasping for straws. If anything that’s mars-Pluto aspects or mars-Neptune aspects of mars in 8th house. 12th house is historically and even today still the most malefic and worst house. It almost always manifests negatively and the planets there it causes trouble for. This is a fact. You don’t want any planets there, not in the natal or composite if you can help it. 12th is one of those houses where not much positive can be said, if that sounds harsh, sorry but it’s just the truth. The reality. I don’t make the rules lol. I’ve never personally or professionally seen it be positive after studying hundreds, thousands of charts.
Or your TOB’s could be off and you didn’t actually have mars in the 12th, if what you’re saying is true, that’s a lot more likely.

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Could you please tell me if Pluto Conj Mars (composite) would make any difference?
What can we do to avoid any of these things you just mentioned?

posted December 17, 2019 09:58 PM            

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Could you please tell me if Pluto Conj Mars (composite) would make any difference?
What can we do to avoid any of these things you just mentioned?

I am 12th house heavy

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Post the chart I’d be happy to take a look for you And Synastry too would help. I can’t say anything just based on this one placement forsure, yes it’s not great, but there are other mitigating factors that could help with this.

posted December 17, 2019 11:28 PM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Vansio; Yikes, seems I was correct then and struck a nerve. Some people don’t like my straightforwardness and honesty, and that’s fine. You can take it however you want, but I didn’t mean to offend you, why would I? I have no personal issue with you? Lol which is why I even said that. Like if I wanted to offend you, I wouldn’t have wasted the time to preface with that. But I call it like I see it, and I don’t know how else to word it for YOUR ego benefit? You were massively contradicting yourself and not making any sense. Honestly bordering delusional... (I’ve seen a lot of your others posts about him around here which is what I’m referring to) and giving wrong astrological advice to boot making mars in the 12th seem like a good placement when it’s not just because you had it with that guy who from what you told me, was terrible towards you. So if anything like I said, it’s more evidence of mars in the 12th not being a positive placement.

When delineating charts, unbiased perspective is key. We have to make sure that just because we had a certain aspect or placement with someone, we don’t let that skew our perspective. Looking at multiple different charts and gathering accurate data from finding the common themes/patterns with a particular aspect or placement is key.
Not just reading something in a book that I read. I speak from REAL LIFE examples and experience. Which is why I’m very confident in saying mars in the 12th is not a positive placement. You can call that ego if you want lol, (which is weird to me, because astrology is a science and has nothing to do with my personal self. I didn’t make or create any of it, so it’s not an extension of me or my ego whatsoever. So if I say this means this or that means that, it’s what I’ve discovered to be OBJECTIVELY true from studying charts, regardless of myself or personal feelings about it)

This isn’t about me being “right” or a personal ego thing lol, this is about making sure correct astrological info is spread. And since this is an Astro forum used as a resource for many, I care more about that than either of our egos. Sorry not sorry.

Also, what you wrote about the 12th house is VEDIC take on the 12th house. And since these charts are in Placidus, it’s a totally different house systems and therefore different meanings of the houses and interpretations. You shouldn’t mix the two, as it’s not accurate.

But I will honour your wish and not address you anymore after this point or respond to you again even if you reply to this post. Take care.

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Far be it for me, the person who started this thread, to disagree, but I'm just not a fan of doomer astrology. This is just not how astrology works, based on everything I've learned. You should research astro-remedies. Watch this video with Serbian astrologer Nikola Stojanovic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6bqwk1Swow

The 12th house is considered a difficult house, but not pointlessly. The point of the 12th is to spiritualize whatever falls there. Both western and Vedic astrologers would agree to this. The problem with this however, is that most people aren't at that spiritual-level. Thus, this causes planets in the 12th to "act out" until that energy is voluntarily satisfied.

posted December 18, 2019 12:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Sinder:
Thanks!
I don’t know how to post the chart.
How do I do that?

Can I have you email address so I can send it there?

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