posted July 14, 2020 01:49 PM            

Some questions:
Is there any significance to 7th house stellium, with Saturn in it? Does this imply a long lasting relationship?
With 7th house being Pisces, ruler in 5th house what would the nature of this relationship be?

posted July 15, 2020 12:11 PM            

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Are you still wanting replies to your opening post, AQUA?

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posted July 15, 2020 12:36 PM            

You have posted your natal chart on another thread, AQUA ... So, I have your's but not the other's. ... Are you able to post it here?

[Note : I see you are living in the UK but were not born there. Were you raised in your birth country, or in the UK? ... And where were each of your parents born and raised? ... (The cultural conditioning of a chart owner influences how the astrological indicators manifest during the lifetime - which is why the astrologer needs the birth data of each partner AND of the relationship itself.]

posted July 15, 2020 01:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
Ideally ... we need the Davison Chart AND the natal charts of the two people in the relationship.

You have posted your natal chart on another thread, AQUA ... So, I have your's but not the other's. ... Are you able to post it here?

[Note : I see you are living in the UK but were not born there. Were you raised in your birth country, or in the UK? ... And where were each of your parents born and raised? ... (The cultural conditioning of a chart owner influences how the astrological indicators manifest during the lifetime - which is why the astrologer needs the birth data of each partner AND of the relationship itself.]

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This is his chart: http://imgur.com/XKO5TIG[/URL]

posted July 16, 2020 12:13 AM            

Are we working with a known/accurate birth time for him?

If not, every hour that the time is out by in his natal chart will result in the time of the Davison Chart being out by 30 minutes (i.e.. the time error in the Davison will be half of that in the natal chart). ... Which, as you will know, means that we the Moon and house locations cannot be relied upon - in both his natal chart and the Davison Chart.

posted July 16, 2020 01:10 AM            

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Can anyone help me with this chart?
Chart: http://imgur.com/SBWDcGK

Some questions:
Is there any significance to 7th house stellium, with Saturn in it? Does this imply a long lasting relationship?
With 7th house being Pisces, ruler in 5th house what would the nature of this relationship be?

Is this a significant relationship? Thank you xx

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Is there any significance to 7th house stellium, with Saturn in it? Does this imply a long lasting relationship?

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If both birth times are accurate, it will manifest in the 7th house - perhaps as each partner attempting to "save/rescue" the other in some way. ... However, if located in another house, it might manifest as a couple attracted to "saving/rescuing" others.

The conjunction of Saturn and Moon could manifest as an inclination by each partner to "parent" the other. ... For some couples, that could foster a lasting relationship - but, for other couples, it could create resentment that leads to the relationship breaking down. (Hence the astrologer needs to determine the specific "issues" in the two individual natal charts, before considering how the astrological indicators of a davison chart are likely to manifest.)

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With 7th house being Pisces, ruler in 5th house what would the nature of this relationship be?

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Is this a significant relationship?

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posted July 16, 2020 02:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:

[b]Effect of An Inaccurate Birth Time on the Davison Chart

Are we working with a known/accurate birth time for him?

If not, every hour that the time is out by in his natal chart will result in the time of the Davison Chart being out by 30 minutes (i.e.. the time error in the Davison will be half of that in the natal chart). ... Which, as you will know, means that we the Moon and house locations cannot be relied upon - in both his natal chart and the Davison Chart.

So ... whilst awaiting your reply on the accuracy of his birth time ... I shall ignore the Moon and houses in both his natal chart and the Davison Chart. [/B]

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Hello! Thanks for your response. He said he was born around midnight so the time input in the chart is for 12am! The things you said however is true. I do feel the need to 'rescue' him while he thinks I require 'protection'

He doesn't say what I need to be protected from while at the same time I don't exactly know what I want to 'rescue' him from. It is honestly a weird dynamic. But if I am to describe the feelings I had, from the moment I first saw him was that I wanted to cover his eyes and fill him up with lots of love. (Sorry if it's a little weird. I always had problems with emotional expression so what I learned was to just describe them as they are, however weird they may be to the other person. Please ignore if it's too odd >.< ) I think I basically want to rescue and to 'heal' him.

posted July 16, 2020 02:21 AM            

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Hello! Thanks for your response. He said he was born around midnight so the time input in the chart is for 12am! The things you said however is true. I do feel the need to 'rescue' him while he thinks I require 'protection'

He doesn't say what I need to be protected from while at the same time I don't exactly know what I want to 'rescue' him from. It is honestly a weird dynamic. But if I am to describe the feelings I had, from the moment I first saw him was that I wanted to cover his eyes and fill him up with lots of love. (Sorry if it's a little weird. I always had problems with emotional expression so what I learned was to just describe them as they are, however weird they may be to the other person. Please ignore if it's too odd >.< ) I think I basically want to rescue and to 'heal' him.

Yet at the same time, the wanting to rescue others rings true as well. He is a public servant for healthcare and I am also looking at being a public servant after graduation (well, with my kind of 12 house placement, what's the surprise?). I think we both want to 'give out' to others but once again, probably me more than he does.

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Moreover, I suspect your shared culture will ensure Jupiter remains happy with this one-to-one relationship ... whereas my gut feeling is that a couple born and raised within the UK might be less able/inclined to work on keeping the romance alive.

posted July 16, 2020 10:14 AM            

Are the placement relationship significators or friendship?

posted July 16, 2020 11:44 AM            

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Is there any inkling to who might be more drawn to the energies of the chart?

Are the placement relationship significators or friendship?

This is the synastry: http://imgur.com/DjuIFpo

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Two friends who like and respect each other ... until it finally dawns on them that 'love is liking and respecting each other"?

posted July 16, 2020 12:32 PM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by AQUACap88:
[b]Is there any inkling to who might be more drawn to the energies of the chart?

Are the placement relationship significators or friendship?

This is the synastry: http://imgur.com/DjuIFpo
[b][QUOTE]You have inner planets that make aspects to his outer planets, whereas he has no inner planets aspecting your outer planets ... so (in the context of soul development) you are more drawn to him than he is to you. However, your Pluto is conjunct his MC ... so he is physically "turned-on" by you; senses that the relationship will be good for him and believes/"knows" it will enhance his reputation/status.

Two friends who like and respect each other ... until it finally dawns on them that 'love is liking and respecting each other"?

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What about my Pluto trine his Moon at 3 degrees and square his Ascendant at 1 degree?

posted July 16, 2020 02:40 PM            

No worries about the Pluto-Moon trine though ... In fact that might help him to handle any discomfort caused (for him) by the Pluto-Ascendant square.

posted July 16, 2020 03:48 PM            

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The Pluto-Ascendant square is a potential problem - as you/Pluto may recognise in him/ascendant personal traits which you have been suppressing in yourself, and might attempt to prevent him from expressing as well. If that happens, the relationship is likely to eventually breakdown. However, if you can let go of the subconscious Pluto insecurities that he makes you conscious/aware of in yourself, the relationship will become even stronger.

No worries about the Pluto-Moon trine though ... In fact that might help him to handle any discomfort caused (for him) by the Pluto-Ascendant square.

And ... Yes, this is indeed a relationship worth pursuing (for both of you).

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I feel that perhaps he is older than me by 6 years but there are a multitude of traits I admire about him. Traits he exhibit which I try to suppress in myself, I'd think of flightiness and a few others. And maybe I do try to suppress him in exhibiting those traits as well in the name of 'morals' or 'socially acceptable' but the more I interact with him, the more of myself I seem to discover.. parts of myself I have discarded instead of 'incorporating' as part of my personality. And him, just casually being 'everything I have ever wanted to be' when I am older while being a 'version of me' I never liked has shed some light to my core internal conflicts. I would say meeting him has changed me into being 'more me' (if this makes sense). I stopped talking to him for two months and relapsed into depression (my old friend) by the 2nd or 3rd week.

I want to say that I don't think of my depression as a bad thing (especially when it is nowhere as close to what it used to be like)... it feels to me more so of finding pieces of myself I have forgotten about or suppressed so I am grateful for everything that has happened as it has shown me that I still have a lot of soul searching to do.

I started anti depressants yesterday and I am giving all these unnecessary information (LOL, implying the possibility that I might be crazy or delusional altho- I would really like to think that I am not) because I feel that the relationship has done it's job for me. It gave me a reality check and brought a bunch of myself back (For instance, if it weren't for him, I wouldn't have dived so deep into astrology, bringing me onto this forum, finding out about some asteroids and eventually discussing my childhood woundings which I suppressed and thought no longer hurts). I like to think that everything happens for a reason hence I have the tendency of linking everything together the way I just did. Even the way I relapsed into my depression, with the worst of it occurring during the peak of the pandemic (lockdown) which granted me plenty of time to rest, wallow in depression and introspect. <- A kind of luxury I would never have been able to afford if the world was running as quickly as it normally does. I feel truly blessed, in all honesty. i.e if my depression was to surface eventually due to things I suppress and repress within myself, then now, while I am still just a student furthermore during a pandemic, there just isn't any timing better than this.

He doesn't know about any of these and I have just been trying to be a source of strength for him, being there when he needs it and to cheer him on. And I don't exactly know how to proceed or what I want.
While I want to continue being here for him and care about him as much as I can, I doubt my capability and have began to doubt his intentions towards me.

posted July 17, 2020 03:56 AM            

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Ultimately, the Davison Chart purpose of a relationship is to "make the Sun shine". ... So, the two of you have come together in this lifetime to help each other see themself as others see them (Sun in Aries/8th) - and it does indeed seem that he has done that job for you.

However, that does not mean the relationship should not continue - particularly if the two of you still enjoy being together. ... [Think of it as a cosmic reward for having achieved the relationship purpose - in the way that people who diligently apply themselves to their job for 40 years are rewarded by being given a pension.]

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While I want to continue being here for him and care about him as much as I can, I doubt my capability and have began to doubt his intentions towards me.

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I guess I am here for advices (even non astrological) - should I stay or should I go?

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I don't want to hurt him, ever. He is so precious.

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Am I as precious to him as he is to me?

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I want to help myself and be myself again.

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posted July 17, 2020 12:55 PM            

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I wish you nothing but all the best things in life

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posted July 27, 2020 02:11 PM            

I baited him and told him I hate it when he lies to me thinking that I don't know anything when I know everything because I have my own ways to find out and I just always wanted to hear it from him directly. I was referring to his insignificant lies like hiding his brother's birthday from me etc but who knew? He started apologising frantically, begging for forgiveness for being unable to 'make up his mind' and for hurting me. I tried to press on to find out what/why he has really lied to me about and he told me he lied because he 'sees no future' and 'wrong time'. I feel very very angry, very hurt and so betrayed. I don't know what to feel actually. What do people do during times like these? It feels like he has lied to me about everything, maybe even about who he really is. I have blocked him because he said it's ok to block him but prior to that, I agreed to be friends with him on the condition that he check his own boundaries and feelings. I might unblock him next year when I sorely require help/advices for my masters & scholarship applications but who knows? I don't even know where I am supposed to go from here anymore. I can't see what's in front of me. What is real? What is fake? I hate him. I love him. I can't believe he would do that to me. What went wrong? I trusted and believed in him even when it went against every inch of my gut and instincts. Why did I do that? Why would I do that? What's wrong with me? How can I ever trust again? Can I trust myself, or was not trusting myself the problem? How long would it take for me to heal from this? When can I regain normalcy again?

posted July 28, 2020 03:44 AM            

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Graham, I am so hurt. He has betrayed me. I will copy paste what I posted on another thread on what he did.

I baited him and told him I hate it when he lies to me thinking that I don't know anything when I know everything because I have my own ways to find out and I just always wanted to hear it from him directly. I was referring to his insignificant lies like hiding his brother's birthday from me etc but who knew? He started apologising frantically, begging for forgiveness for being unable to 'make up his mind' and for hurting me. I tried to press on to find out what/why he has really lied to me about and he told me he lied because he 'sees no future' and 'wrong time'. I feel very very angry, very hurt and so betrayed. I don't know what to feel actually. What do people do during times like these? It feels like he has lied to me about everything, maybe even about who he really is. I have blocked him because he said it's ok to block him but prior to that, I agreed to be friends with him on the condition that he check his own boundaries and feelings. I might unblock him next year when I sorely require help/advices for my masters & scholarship applications but who knows? I don't even know where I am supposed to go from here anymore. I can't see what's in front of me. What is real? What is fake? I hate him. I love him. I can't believe he would do that to me. What went wrong? I trusted and believed in him even when it went against every inch of my gut and instincts. Why did I do that? Why would I do that? What's wrong with me? How can I ever trust again? Can I trust myself, or was not trusting myself the problem? How long would it take for me to heal from this? When can I regain normalcy again?

Graham...

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posted July 28, 2020 10:33 AM            

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Please link me to the thread that you copied and pasted from, AQUA.

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The thread has nothing, just normal tarot reading stuffs.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/025994.html

My post about him was an update on what happened... I feel so disillusioned. I don't know what to believe anymore.

posted July 28, 2020 11:48 AM            

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Originally posted by AQUACap88:
The thread has nothing, just normal tarot reading stuffs.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/025994.html

My post about him was an update on what happened... I feel so disillusioned. I don't know what to believe anymore.

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I have to now sign off the forum for today, AQUA ... but will reply tomorrow.

posted July 28, 2020 11:52 AM            

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I have to now sign off the forum for today, AQUA ... but will reply tomorrow.

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