posted August 13, 2020 01:12 AM            

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Originally posted by CardinalT-Square:
Vertex won't be correct either. Time of Birth's are often not correct indicators of a Composite Chart either, so don't get hung-up on aspects if your strictly using ToBs.

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posted August 13, 2020 02:28 AM            

Mc moves 1 arc degree in (approximately) 4 minutes of clock time.

posted August 14, 2020 02:09 AM            

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Originally posted by CardinalT-Square:
No Willa, often because the times written our birth certificates are several minutes later that when we actually pop out of the womb. Add to that, the fact that our birth charts actually begin when our souls and vessels merge, so their could be as much as a 4hr difference between the time your soul merged with your vessel and when your head first popped out (barring c-sections ofcourse).

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So ... time of birth does influence the composite ... but that may not be the time which a natal chart owner believes himself/herself to have been born?

posted August 14, 2020 01:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Willabuttler234:
From a realistic standpoint this isn’t true. My aunt delivers babies. Your time of birth is meticulously recorded 99% of the time. There’s a nurse or technician who’s sole job is to record time of birth. It’s super important for various reasons.
https://www.astro.com/astrology/in_rectification_e.htm

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This may be correct in the case of your aunt, but it's not the case most of the time. I have been to a few deliveries where the record of birth was as much as 20 minutes after the actual birth. Especially if you ask male astrologers about the times of their children's births (They tend to pay good attention to that because of their profession as well as because unlike the mother they are more able to pay attention to that at the time). They will often tell you that the baby was born and then cleaned up a bit and THEN the time of birth was recorded. It really depends on who is on staff, what hospital it is, what country as well as what point in history. (My experiences are very dated at 20 years+)

Eve my own birth certificate is dated at over 12 hours after my actual birth because of a typo and a round up of the time. The only reason I know this is because my birth immunization records say I was immunized in the morning while my birth certificate says I was born at night. Babies cannot be immunized before they are born. So I went to my family and EVERYONE in my family who was at my birth was adamant that I was born in the morning and that the PM on my birth certificate is incorrect. Which makes sense since the immunization happened in the morning. So basically the only record that states I was born at night out of all of the records and memories is the most "reliable" one- the birth certificate. And this happened in the US in New York City so not exactly a third world country. Also Round ups or downs are common. If a birth certificate says a nice round number like 4:00pm or 8:00 am... that is often a sign of a rounding up to the nearest half hour.

My mother was born in a rural area of another country where the way they recorded birth days and times was by literally just asking the parents when it happened. But since there was a legal timeline of when you were supposed to go to the office to register the birth a lot of parents who didn't make the timeline simply fudged the date on the certificate in order to make the legal requirement. For this reason, my mom's birthday is officially recorded as a month later than her actual birthday.

posted August 15, 2020 03:12 PM            

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Originally posted by CardinalT-Square:
That's correct Graham! ToB is essentially meaningless for our Birth Charts. It is possible for one's merger and the time one comes out of the womb to be very close maybe even down to the minute, but that's extremely rare, so the vast majority of us aren't that lucky, and why it's so important to really investigate what one's Ascendant truly is IF they so choose to go down that "Rabbit Hole". Thanks to Kannon and his expert advise, coupled with my own research, I was able to find mine. Now when I look at the Composite Charts of me and other people (to which I also rectify their chart) I know they are extremely close to perfection. I was lucky though, my merger was only about 45min earlier than my ToB though, so my Ascendant sign never changed for me. Their will still be a slight degree of inaccuracy though, but still much better than just using ToB alone like most people.

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posted August 16, 2020 12:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Eternal Energy:
Do unexpected complications prevent the expected?

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Or ... putting that same question in a slightly different way (to Cardinal-T-Square) ... can an advanced soul follow its intended natal chart path despite having entered the physical body at a time that was not intended?

posted August 16, 2020 04:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Eternal Energy:
I'm sure that if we knew each other and were discussing about, looking at each other's eyes would be more than enough to answer such questions.

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posted August 16, 2020 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by CardinalT-Square:
The way I see it Graham, we as souls decide everything we do and experience in our current lifetime long before we reincarnate and merge with our physical vessels, and those that pop into our lives as well as relatives are also agreed upon to physically meet in this lifetime hence why we have "Soul Contracts" with everyone no matter how brief.

This is all just my own opinion though.

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That's how I see it too, CT-S.

But ... what if the Soul has to merge before (or after) the intended time - due to complications during the birth process?

Do we assume that the actual time of merging is the birth time, even though it produces a chart that the Soul did not intend to follow in the current lifetime?

[Note for clarification/explanation. ... Due to complications at birth, my soul entered the current lifetime's physical body around one hour before the recorded time of birth. However, the natal chart for the recorded time very much fits with the life events that I have experienced since birth - whereas (my assumption/understanding is that) you would expect the life events to accord with the time of merging.]

posted August 16, 2020 02:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
But ... what if the Soul has to merge before (or after) the intended time - due to complications during the birth process?

Do we assume that the actual time of merging is the birth time, even though it produces a chart that the Soul did not intend to follow in the current lifetime?

[Note for clarification/explanation. ... Due to complications at birth, my soul entered the current lifetime's physical body around one hour before the recorded time of birth. However, the natal chart for the recorded time very much fits with the life events that I have experienced since birth - whereas (my assumption/understanding is that) you would expect the life events to accord with the time of merging.]

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Birth complications would be apart of your soul's choice to make that a reality in this lifetime.

posted August 16, 2020 04:21 PM            

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Originally posted by CardinalT-Square:
Birth complications would be apart of your soul's choice to make that a reality in this lifetime.

Normally the reincarnation process and the merging of our bodies and souls occures before we're born into this world. It seems as though you might be one of the rare people who merged right as you were born, but I would go back through your progressions for major events in your life and double-check everything is accurate, remember though, Declinations count as events too, but you'll have to PM Kannon for a thourgh analysis of Declinations in the Progressed Chart, those are beyond my scope of understanding.

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posted August 16, 2020 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Eternal Energy:
May I suggest a thought dear?...

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