posted February 04, 2021 02:00 AM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
: I don’t get what you mean by associating Moon’s fears to Saturn’s insecurity. Give me an example :

I’m not sure either, I said I found this interesting because it seemed like enough people wrote that Saturn is the one full of fear. Whereas I believe once Saturn has learned its boundaries, it can see the Moon’s “projections” for what they are and would not take the essence of Moon (it’s fear and insecurity) personally. I don’t have any examples of this besides being aware of Moon’s personal hang ups as theirs

Because I share this aspect with my mom, I can vouch for this process. Her issues weren’t mine, but once I understood that fundamental difference I could help

In astrology, it’s easy for anyone to “blame” Saturn in the synastry. I don’t resonate with Saturn = Insecurity, it’s the planet, who in the case of this particular thread, turned out to be Moon— go figure

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I don’t mean Saturn is this fearful child. What I mean is Moon’s behaviour can induce insecurity in Saturn, even if it wasn’t there to begin with. In my case Moon sometimes behaves in a way Saturn doesn’t understand. I don’t attempt to own all of Moon’s emotions but it doesn’t mean I don’t feel affected. This aspect is probably easier in a parent-child relationship or friendship rather than a romantic relationship.

posted February 04, 2021 03:01 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Thank you for the explanation, got yah. There are two ways to look at this I think. The first being a very mature response, bordering on spiritualized.

Then considering the [b]time, the place, and the gender, one could see this as potentially as also a form of some back in the day, male, English/British emotional repression/suppression (i.e. got to be tough and detached). And that anger or the like, would certainly be appropriate responses in some of these situation, unless one really had fooked up in relation to "authority" and especially social responsibilities/ethics.

Interestingly enough, I had read your response during a break at work, and was thinking about it from both sides later on, and, unexpectedly, ended up picking up a British flag cloth (the place I work at sells MANY different various products). I thought, well that was an interesting synchronicity and perhaps a guidance message of there's some truth to that interpretation.

The interesting thing is that it doesn't have to be "either or". It could be some of both simultaneously. And besides running into a random Britannia flag, the fact that you remember these incidents so vividly all these years later, indicates that at the time, they did indeed have some powerful and likely uncomfortable emotions associated with them. Emotions that likely got "stuffed down", rather than fully dealt with and completely let go of. There is no time to the Soul and to the subconscious.

It's been said that one of the differences between a "Master", enLightened type in human form, and non enLightened people is not that the former doesn't feel difficult/uncomfortable emotions, but rather that they feel/experience them and then either express them out and let go of it, or just let it go after feeling/recognizing. Whereas the average human tries to either suppress, repress, or distract (when it comes to difficult, uncomfortable emotions and feelings), and often it goes into the "shadow" (unconscious) to have to be worked on later (along with associated distorted beliefs).

For a real life example, we have Yeshua outside of the Temple in the market area, and clearly he feels some real anger at what's going on in relation to authority and business and its corruption (and what is corruption but some form of misuse of power/authority in relation to others). He could have been, "well, it's just business as usual, no need to take it personally", but while maybe he didn't take it personally in a literal sense (in this case, it was not directed at him), he did let himself get angry about it and express it out. I doubt though, that he thought much about it after.

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The games teacher was uncomfortable with my preference for playing the working-class game of soccer, rather than rugby (the upper-class game that he considered/had been conditioned to believe was for "real men").

The manager was a working-class boy that had risen to become a senior partner in an International Firm of Accountants - by "betraying" his working class roots.

All three had authority via status (Saturn), which I had no problem with recognising/accepting. Each was just doing his job in the only way he knew how to. And I was just a working class youngster whom they were helping to rise above the glass ceiling/class-system which existed in the UK at the time.

posted February 04, 2021 04:39 AM            

My natal saturn is in 7th house and it is pretty strong in my case. After a long period of introspection I have come to realize the myriad issues I have created with my own saturnian disposition, it makes me super-serious, and unnecessarily 'disciplined' or 'harsh' while dealing with other people. It is something I am now working onm

My best friend in high school had his moon square my saturn. We also had sun conjunct moon, venus trine mars, venus trine uranus, jupiter sextile mercury and other such nice and flowing aspects. We hit it off from the moment we met and were inseparable. But now that I think about it, I was always the one trying to discipline him (for lack of a better word) or try and 'teach' him...small things really, comments made here and there about something he had done or some idea he had or even a new haircut he got, at some point I just naturally assumed the role of an 'elder' or somebody who was supposed to 'guide' him. It was done completely unconsciously on my part but we had a lot of tiffs due to it, I am sure he felt either smothered or bullied from time to time, but thanks to our other multiple harmonious aspects we got along fine for a long time. Now we live on separate continents so we are not as close or ever-present in each other's lives but there is still a lot of warmth there. It took me a long time to temper my attitude after realizing it was all my doing

In high school, I also had another friend whose venus square my saturn and the one complaint she always had with me, 'you are toooooooo serious, lighten up!'. She had the sweetest nature and I found it a little bit too naive for this world, so I was constantly telling her to toughen up, not trust anyone, be serious, be strict, don't go dating any one (lol) etc. etc. and sometimes she would get so upset, it made me laugh Of course now I look back at it and feel guilty, I spent a large part of my life being a bit too harsh on everyone around me, but I can't go back in time and change anything

My first boyfriend had his mars square my saturn and our saturns were conjunct We both had issues, both tried to control each other...again small things in our conversations would irk each other, I would feel like he was telling me what to do and I hated that, and he felt the same. Even though, now that I have spent so much time thinking about it, in reality we were not controlling each other. In our minds, we just 'wanted what was best' for each other but you can imagine the way we expressed it was not cool

posted February 05, 2021 02:17 AM            

To Vansio and generally. Saturn is not the ONLY planet that has connection to fear. In my opinion and long time observation, Moon, Mars, Saturn, and Pluto all have a definite connection to fear in varying degrees and amounts. These are all "heavy" (Moon being least in some respects) and tend towards the slow vibratory. What is slow vibratory? Slow vibratory just means there is a lack of divine, Source like Love. What happens when that gets reduced way down? Usually fear and/or selfishness.

Fear is not always bad though. The gut-fear warning to not get in a car with that stranger is there for a reason. The fear of, "let's not walk out in front of a bus" is there for a reason. Sometimes fear is helpful or necessary, especially in a caution sense.

The fear of Mars is particularly unconscious, because it so often gets masked as or redirected to anger or frustration (or sometimes "fight or flight"). But often, not always though, fear is at the root in some way.

So when you combine two or more fear oriented symbols, then usually there is plenty of fear to go around, just in different ways and on different levels. I use to know someone that I had my Moon Saturn conjunction opposite their Venus Saturn conjunction in each others 1st and 8th Houses respectively. Plenty of fear to go around. Just in my case, the love was usually stronger than the fear (or would win out over same), and in their case, the fear was usually and ultimately stronger than the love.

posted February 05, 2021 06:00 AM            

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Graham, yes, but what did you do with that anger is the question? Stuff it down, express it out in other ways, feel it fully and let it go while "forgive them, for they do not know what they do?", stew, or something else?

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I felt it fully ... and let it go, as and when the passage of time enabled me to do so.

With the maths teacher, letting go was a same day timescale ... but it took around six months to get over the anger I felt for the games teacher ... and around a year for the manager. ... None of it ever got suppressed though. I was aware of my anger at the time - but never expressed ( or displayed) it to the maths teacher; displayed (but never expressed) it openly to the games teacher and both displayed and expressed it openly to the manager.

posted February 05, 2021 02:17 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
(Said completely sincerely), Then I bow deeply to you old friend, for you have mastered some very difficult lessons in this life, especially for one with such highlighted Scorpio.

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