posted February 01, 2021 04:37 PM            

Is that how the projection of Saturn's limit on to the planet person works - due to insecurity?

posted February 01, 2021 04:59 PM            

Saturn is square my Sun, Mars, and Ascendant, trine my Moon and Venus natally.

posted February 01, 2021 08:09 PM            

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Originally posted by 93nov:
In my experience, definitely.

Saturn is square my Sun, Mars, and Ascendant, trine my Moon and Venus natally.

I've been both the planet person and Saturn and I always feel like Saturn (I assume it's because I am usually the one with stronger Saturn and/ or the other person is always great at hiding theirs). Insecurity is usually the dominant theme, but it's never for no reason. The planet person, from my point of view, is out of control or immature in the area the planet rules. Venus-Saturn is a biggie in my relationships where I'be been either or almost equally.. When I'm Saturn, I'm annoyed at how childish and careless Venus is, but only because their "ways" literally threaten the security of the relationship (if there ever was any).. BUT I find myself equally infatuated with their charm and beauty. When I'm Venus, my insecurities stem from not feeling attractive enough or mature enough. It's an opposite extreme and obviously karmic. Many lessons.

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posted February 01, 2021 08:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
The inner planet person reminds the Saturn person of criticism he/she received during childhood for displaying the qualities/behaviour of the inner planet. And if adult Saturn is not yet able to deal with the emotional pain which that criticism caused him/her to feel ... he/she will attempt to stop the inner person from displaying those qualitie/behavioural traits.

So ... much depends upon the maturity of the adult Saturn ... Or rather, the extent to which he/she has moved beyond his/her childhood conditioning.

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This almost resonate with Pluto but with a different theme.

posted February 02, 2021 02:05 AM            

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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:

This almost resonate with Pluto but with a different theme.

One time I thought I made the moon person uncomfortable, I was withdrawn as they were very very energetic and she felt judge. Her facial expression got me insecured, therefore I got insecured.

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posted February 02, 2021 02:43 AM            

Sorry I can’t agree with you for how it plays out in my own life, but hopefully my comment illuminates a difference between what contributes-to the ease or difficulty of placements.

For example, his Moon on my Saturn. If he doesn’t want to open up, it’s not my responsibility — evolved sense of boundaries is also Saturn. Should I then take it personally? No, that’s not Saturn’s m.o.

posted February 02, 2021 02:58 AM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
I’d say that’s generally possible and likely—for other, most people. I’m the Saturn in conjunction a few times, but I am a Capricorn Moon and my 7th House is ruled by Saturn. So, “insecurity” does NOT trigger me, rather becomes apparent-need for growth. I also have Saturn-Sun conjunction. So maybe this common negative reaction is a pattern for those already unwilling to serve Lord Saturn

Sorry I can’t agree with you, but hopefully my comment illuminates - difference between what contributes-to ease or difficulty of placements.

For example, his Moon on my Saturn. If he doesn’t want to open up, it’s not my responsibility — evolved sense of boundaries is also Saturn.

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posted February 02, 2021 03:29 AM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
I’d say that’s generally possible and likely—for other, most people. I’m the Saturn in conjunction a few times, but I am a Capricorn Moon and my 7th House is ruled by Saturn. So, “insecurity” does NOT trigger me, rather becomes apparent-need for growth. I also have Saturn-Sun conjunction. So maybe this common negative reaction is a pattern for those already unwilling to serve Lord Saturn

Sorry I can’t agree with you for how it plays out in my own life, but hopefully my comment illuminates a difference between what contributes-to the ease or difficulty of placements.

For example, his Moon on my Saturn. If he doesn’t want to open up, it’s not my responsibility — evolved sense of boundaries is also Saturn. Should I then take it personally? No, that’s not Saturn’s m.o.

My mom and best friend also have their Moons on my Saturn so the know-how is there; cannot push anyone who doesn’t feel comfortable either hold it against them. My other best friend has her Saturn on my moon. These are my best friends and we’re all very supportive of one another’s emotional health/strength/stability

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Hey Vansio!

Could you give some advice on how to deal with Moon- Saturn? Since you seem to have experience with it!

The guy I am kind of seeing and I have :

His moon conjunct my Saturn
My moon opposite his Saturn

Then we also have Moon Square Saturn in composite

Thank you!!

posted February 02, 2021 03:34 AM            

I do have a lot of experience with Saturn, yet I’m not a slave (which would be it’s lowest vibration). I mentioned the other examples of this conjunction in my life because when you know the right way (have experience), there’s little use in falling [prey-to] short, or “insecurity”.

The lesson of this conjunction is about being emotionally vulnerable with the other person, however, if it’s not happening naturally, do not force it, worse, do not EXPECT it. Make a decision and move forward.

I’ve “walked away” from my mom at times too, but she comes around to the issue, because integrity. I would never give up on her—there’s a difference here when making peace with the choice.

posted February 02, 2021 04:02 AM            

Thankfully these types are relatively rare among the general populace.

posted February 02, 2021 02:24 PM            

A schoolteacher who taught maths by dragging pupils around the classroom by their sideburns; a gamesmaster who physically threw pupils against walls and down flights of stairs; a manager who refused to promote me for 3 years because I insisted on wearing a parka rather than an overcoat ... and so on.

posted February 02, 2021 03:27 PM            

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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:
Is it safe to say if someone conjuncts our Saturn with their personal planet, there may be a tendency of feeling insecure and not worthy enough around the planet person?

Is that how the projection of Saturn's limit on to the planet person works - due to insecurity?

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posted February 02, 2021 04:59 PM            

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I have been blessed in this lifetime with relationships of all kinds with a variety of mature Saturns.

A schoolteacher who taught maths by dragging pupils around the classroom by their sideburns; a gamesmaster who physically threw pupils against walls and down flights of stairs; a manager who refused to promote me for 3 years because I insisted on wearing a parka rather than an overcoat ... and so on.

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I'm a little confused. How are these examples of mature Saturn? Are you saying that these were tough love situations? To me, it just sounds like people throwing around their weight, power, and authority.

Perhaps sarcasm? Graham you rascally devil you. Well, I, Galactic Core Explosion, do solemnly swear on my mother's grave, that though I have my Saturn closely conjunct your ASC, I will not pull your side burns, throw you down some stairs, nor destroy/limit your status. That is, not unless you really need it...

posted February 03, 2021 12:52 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
I'm a little confused. How are these examples of mature Saturn? Are you saying that these were tough love situations? To me, it just sounds like people throwing around their weight, power, and authority.

Perhaps sarcasm? Graham you rascally devil you. Well, I, Galactic Core Explosion, do solemnly swear on my mother's grave, that though I have my Saturn closely conjunct your ASC, I will not pull your side burns, throw you down some stairs, nor destroy/limit your status. That is, not unless you really need it...

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None of it was personal ... Each treated me in exactly the same way as they had been conditioned to treat anyone that needed to learn what they taught me.

posted February 03, 2021 01:24 AM            

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Originally posted by ARB1997:
Hey Vansio!

Could you give some advice on how to deal with Moon- Saturn? Since you seem to have experience with it!

The guy I am kind of seeing and I have :

His moon conjunct my Saturn
My moon opposite his Saturn

Then we also have Moon Square Saturn in composite

Thank you!!

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I wonder how the Moon person feels? My Saturn square his Moon; his Saturn trine my Moon.

posted February 03, 2021 02:23 AM            

I’d imagine the Moon person feels like they have to figure themselves out for once (well, around this person.)

If Saturn hasn’t “reparented” yet, (or even repented tbh) then yes, perhaps the awareness becomes an insecurity. Would be a constant, “what do I do with this?”

Thing is, for me, I have no children and never plan on treating anyone who isn’t that as if they were. Been there before. 🙅🏽‍♀️ Parenting (and unconditional love) is exclusively reserved for only own children and animals

Iunno, it was pretty clear to me that walking toward my own path was in my best interest. Saturn has a tendency of making whatever it touches seem like it’s the most important thing (fixating). My mantra at the time was also the reminder: “No one is wrong [here].” I didn’t give [him] an explanation—that would be a compulsion.

In both your cases, the aspect is a double-whammy, so there’s mutual incentive (or fixation) in regard to feelings-fears.

The Greek aphorism “Know thyself” is totally Saturn-Moon. Also the moth insect.

I have been thinking a bit about how that although I am already seasoned in being Saturn in the Moon conjunction aspect, that these connections are with women and could be why “he” has a heavier* time with it compared to others, but doesn’t make it my mission. If anything, maybe being Saturn-female to a Man’s moon is problematic. Or Saturn anything to a Man’s anything oy vey 🤦🏽‍♀️ Initiates need only apply

posted February 03, 2021 04:29 AM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
Interesting that we seem to associate that their fears (moon) equates to our own insecurity (Saturn) ?

I’d imagine the Moon person feels like they have to figure themselves out for once (well, around this person.)

If Saturn hasn’t “reparented” yet, (or even repented tbh) then yes, perhaps the awareness becomes an insecurity. Would be a constant, “what do I do with this?”

Thing is, for me, I have no children and never plan on treating anyone who isn’t that as if they were. Been there before. 🙅🏽‍♀️ Parenting (and unconditional love) is exclusively reserved for only own children and animals

Iunno, it was pretty clear to me that walking toward my own path was in my best interest. Saturn has a tendency of making whatever it touches seem like it’s the most important thing (fixating). My mantra at the time was also the reminder: “No one is wrong [here].” I didn’t give [him] an explanation—that would be a compulsion.

In both your cases, the aspect is a double-whammy, so there’s mutual incentive (or fixation) in regard to feelings-fears.

The Greek aphorism “Know thyself” is totally Saturn-Moon. Also the moth insect.

I have been thinking a bit about how that although I am already seasoned in being Saturn in the Moon conjunction aspect, that these connections are with women and could be why “he” has a heavier* time with it compared to others, but doesn’t make it my mission. If anything, maybe being Saturn-female to a Man’s moon is problematic. Or Saturn anything to a Man’s anything oy vey 🤦🏽‍♀️ Initiates need only apply

*Falls on the man’s attachment to his mother-based anima. yeeeks funny, I told him a while back that I “wasn’t a dentist” (Saturn) like pulling teeth

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posted February 03, 2021 04:49 AM            

With the conjunction, I understand the providence of what lay below because the instinct reverberates; I just have-to check myself from doing so, a challenge on its own; due to us not being a relationship.

A man’s woman becomes his Mother[Goddess].

There’s always difference between feeling-called-to-be careful and restricting

Damn the more I talk about this aspect the more I’m going to turn around to this dude 🆘 not that he’s hailed me down since saying bye

posted February 03, 2021 02:06 PM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
I’d imagine your lack of desire (or denial) to mother him is caused by the square - could be you don’t figure the innate mother within his emotions. Maybe give that some astrological thought. How do you suppose the square behaves?

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I always read that in Moon square Saturn, Moon suffers under Saturn’s coldness and Saturn rarely reveals their feelings, but this is not my experience at all. I’m more emotionally open than him while he often hide his feelings or censors them. It’s like he’s afraid to be vulnerable. I believe it’s because of his natal Moon conjunct Pluto which makes him naturally guarded. He acts like he doesn’t care but will get all anxious about me, overreacts to things I say. I don’t feel that I censor his feelings. Maybe he thinks I do, I don’t know, but consciously I don’t remember doing that. I become cold when I feel that he’s cold, when he hurt my feelings. I want him to be vulnerable with me like how I am to him, but I feel like I’m squeezing juice out of a dried fruit sometimes. I know he loves and cares about me but I want him to express it rather than have me read subtle signs and nuances all the time.

posted February 03, 2021 05:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
None of it was personal ... Each treated me in exactly the same way as they had been conditioned to treat anyone that needed to learn what they taught me.

I learned to (objectively) see the lesson being provided by Saturn, rather than to focus (subjectively) upon the socially inappropriate/unacceptable behaviour of the earthly instrument/person delivering it.

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Thank you for the explanation, got yah. There are two ways to look at this I think. The first being a very mature response, bordering on spiritualized.

Then considering the time, the place, and the gender, one could see this as potentially as also a form of some back in the day, male, English/British emotional repression/suppression (i.e. got to be tough and detached). And that anger or the like, would certainly be appropriate responses in some of these situation, unless one really had fooked up in relation to "authority" and especially social responsibilities/ethics.

Interestingly enough, I had read your response during a break at work, and was thinking about it from both sides later on, and, unexpectedly, ended up picking up a British flag cloth (the place I work at sells MANY different various products). I thought, well that was an interesting synchronicity and perhaps a guidance message of there's some truth to that interpretation.

The interesting thing is that it doesn't have to be "either or". It could be some of both simultaneously. And besides running into a random Britannia flag, the fact that you remember these incidents so vividly all these years later, indicates that at the time, they did indeed have some powerful and likely uncomfortable emotions associated with them. Emotions that likely got "stuffed down", rather than fully dealt with and completely let go of. There is no time to the Soul and to the subconscious.

It's been said that one of the differences between a "Master", enLightened type in human form, and non enLightened people is not that the former doesn't feel difficult/uncomfortable emotions, but rather that they feel/experience them and then either express them out and let go of it, or just let it go after feeling/recognizing. Whereas the average human tries to either suppress, repress, or distract (when it comes to difficult, uncomfortable emotions and feelings), and often it goes into the "shadow" (unconscious) to have to be worked on later (along with associated distorted beliefs).

For a real life example, we have Yeshua outside of the Temple in the market area, and clearly he feels some real anger at what's going on in relation to authority and business and its corruption (and what is corruption but some form of misuse of power/authority in relation to others). He could have been, "well, it's just business as usual, no need to take it personally", but while maybe he didn't take it personally in a literal sense (in this case, it was not directed at him), he did let himself get angry about it and express it out. I doubt though, that he thought much about it after.

posted February 04, 2021 01:20 AM            

I’m not sure either, I said I found this interesting because it seemed like enough people wrote that Saturn is the one full of fear. Whereas I believe once Saturn has learned its boundaries, it can see the Moon’s “projections” for what they are and would not take the essence of Moon (it’s fear and insecurity) personally. I don’t have any examples of this besides being aware of Moon’s personal hang ups as theirs

Because I share this aspect with my mom, I can vouch for this process. Her issues weren’t mine, but once I understood that fundamental difference I could help