posted February 04, 2021 08:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Travelman:
Maybe the grandma is speaking from experience and wisdom and/or asking her to be realistic about her dreams.

You never have to give in, sometimes just be open minded.

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In reality though, they will be doing so because (subconsciously) the behaviour/dream of the inner planet person is (in some way) an uncomfortable reminder of a childhood dream/behaviour of their own which caused them to experience emotional trauma. ... Hence, their true/subconscious intention as an adult is to prevent the pain of that suppressed memory from brought to the surface.

posted February 04, 2021 08:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
Let's say Sun in Leo wants to be an actress, and her grandmother's Saturn in Aquarius sees that as a socially unacceptable profession.

Should the Sun give up her dream of becoming an actresses?
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/010803-2.html

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posted February 04, 2021 09:03 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
So the Saturn person doesn’t want me to act like a Taurus? But instead an Aquarius? Since their Saturn is in Aquarius? I’m just trying to figure out how I’m supposed to act as the Sun person.

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posted February 04, 2021 09:48 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I don’t understand. Why are you just going to do whatever they want you to do?

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posted February 05, 2021 01:24 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
So the Saturn person doesn’t want me to act like a Taurus? But instead an Aquarius? Since their Saturn is in Aquarius? I’m just trying to figure out how I’m supposed to act as the Sun person.

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Is the Saturn person already trying to change your behaviour in some way?

posted February 13, 2021 04:56 AM            

Most of us, at some point have these moments in relationships were we get insecure or fearful, we try to control the other, and that is part of our ego nature which is sort of built in to the whole "connected to a human physical body" package.

However, there is a big difference between occasional passing moments of such patterns and choices, and a definite, repeating pattern. If it were me, I would leave him as soon as possible. He sounds like he has major issues, and could be the kind of guy to escalate to more overt forms of control via fear.

With that said, we are only hearing one side of the story, and so I don't want to overly presume about him. Sometimes people do have to apply tough love and boundaries if a partner is continuing to engage in hurtful, inconsiderate actions. However, even if that is the case, the way he is going about it is not healthy, balanced, nor loving in the least bit.

Why are you with him? You clearly seem to have some issues with his behavior, so why aren't these red flags making you want to leave?

posted February 13, 2021 10:11 AM            

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Originally posted by ToughPrincessa1997:
Hello everybody,
I Just rralised how much the Saturn synastry came into play in mx relationship. I feel as tough he is punishing me for my ''foolish behavioir' as he says it, by withholding love from me... it is crazy, he broke my heart even tough we are still together. I told him why are you so cold, so rude, this is so hurtful, he says I have to be so you can learn to behave better. Has anyone experienced this? Is it alwaysike this, does it get better? Shoukd I Just lear to live with this dynamic.. it is makimg me so insecure because he is always criticizing me, even tough he tells me how beautiful I am, he wants to change my style of clothing etc..
Is the Saturn person always so cold to venus?
Btw his Saturn opposes my venus (composite too), my sun, my mercury (chart ruler) and sextiles my moon. His Saturn is his 8 house ruler too.
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I agree with GCE. ... Your partner has deep-seated Saturn issues/fears that HE has to deal with ... And, if he is unwilling or unable to recognise that, you need to end the relationship before it/he changes you into a person which your soul does not want/intend you to be in this lifetime.

posted February 13, 2021 11:06 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
That is NOT healthy, and not of love. Love doesn't seek to control and punish. He sounds like he likely has a very highly controlling side, which you may bring out even more (because of his insecurities and fears).

Most of us, at some point have these moments in relationships were we get insecure or fearful, we try to control the other, and that is part of our ego nature which is sort of built in to the whole "connected to a human physical body" package.

However, there is a big difference between occasional passing moments of such patterns and choices, and a definite, repeating pattern. If it were me, I would leave him as soon as possible. He sounds like he has major issues, and could be the kind of guy to escalate to more overt forms of control via fear.

With that said, we are only hearing one side of the story, and so I don't want to overly presume about him. Sometimes people do have to apply tough love and boundaries if a partner is continuing to engage in hurtful, inconsiderate actions. However, even if that is the case, the way he is going about it is not healthy, balanced, nor loving in the least bit.

Why are you with him? You clearly seem to have some issues with his behavior, so why aren't these red flags making you want to leave?

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posted February 13, 2021 12:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
Is the Saturn person already trying to change your behaviour in some way?

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posted February 13, 2021 12:18 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
No, they aren't trying to change my behavior. But when I'm acting out they tell me that I need to stop it. It kind of feels like a child/parent dynamic. But I don't know if it really bothers me. Because in a way I like it makes me feel protected I don't know if that makes sense.

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In that situation, you need only to discuss with them why/how they think you will benefit from changing (or be disadvantaged by not changing). ... Then change if you agree with them, and do not change if you disagree with them.

The Saturn lesson here is about controlled risk-taking, based upon reasoning and fact.

posted February 13, 2021 03:14 PM            

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Originally posted by ToughPrincessa1997:
I an with him because I deeply love him, and I know he love me too. We are happy, and working ob this. I also like saturnian partners in some way , because I have Saturn in cups of 8th and 7th house.. I have learned that I have to love myself first, this was my biggest lession in this relatinship, and his Saturn qualities have taught me that. He is working on himself too, we will see what happens.. there is alot of glue with our Saturn contacts, if it ever ends it will not be easy..

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Meanwhile, your Soul senses the truth of the situation, which is why you wrote your first reply here, which certainly didn't sound like you are "happy" and "in love", etc, but there is a part of you that doesn't want to recognize the truth of the matter for various reasons. Possibly because the devil you know is less scary than the devil you don't. That, and a lack of self love and value.

The problem is, he does not view you as an equal, but as a child or chattel to be told what to do. If you start to rebel, and you "make him" feel more insecure, he may up the ante of control, and start using fear to do same. You do not want to go down that route.

Listen to what Graham said as well please. You have two men, telling you something similar. There are not many men at this forum as compared to women. If two of the relative few males are telling you, "red flags, red flags" about a male partner, it would make sense to pay closer attention. I've observed these kind of men before, men with a lot of red and/or orange in their auras, and while they project an image of confidence, of strength, of potent "masculinity", etc, deep down they are scared and twisted little boys that have a tendency to lash out, often at people physically weaker than themselves. Bully types in other words.

They "get off" on control of others. They are not truly "loving" type people AT ALL. You may think that you can "tame" or "save" him through your love and understanding, but actual chances of that are very slim.

posted February 13, 2021 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ToughPrincessa1997:
[b] I an with him because I deeply love him, and I know he love me too. We are happy, and working ob this. I also like saturnian partners in some way , because I have Saturn in cups of 8th and 7th house.. I have learned that I have to love myself first, this was my biggest lession in this relatinship, and his Saturn qualities have taught me that. He is working on himself too, we will see what happens.. there is alot of glue with our Saturn contacts, if it ever ends it will not be easy..

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Meanwhile, your Soul senses the truth of the situation, which is why you wrote your first reply here, which certainly didn't sound like you are "happy" and "in love", etc, but there is a part of you that doesn't want to recognize the truth of the matter for various reasons. Possibly because the devil you know is less scary than the devil you don't. That, and a lack of self love and value.

The problem is, he does not view you as an equal, but as a child or chattel to be told what to do. If you start to rebel, and you "make him" feel more insecure, he may up the ante of control, and start using fear to do same. You do not want to go down that route.

Listen to what Graham said as well please. You have two men, telling you something similar. There are not many men at this forum as compared to women. If two of the relative few males are telling you, "red flags, red flags" about a male partner, it would make sense to pay closer attention. I've observed these kind of men before, men with a lot of red and/or orange in their auras, and while they project an image of confidence, of strength, of potent "masculinity", etc, deep down they are scared and twisted little boys that have a tendency to lash out, often at people physically weaker than themselves. Bully types in other words.

They "get off" on control of others. They are not truly "loving" type people AT ALL. You may think that you can "tame" or "save" him through your love and understanding, but actual chances of that are very slim.

Is your Sun in the 8th House?[/B][/QUOTE]
Yes my sun is in 8th, how did you guess?

posted February 13, 2021 05:19 PM            

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Originally posted by ToughPrincessa1997:

Yes my sun is in 8th, how did you guess?

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A combination between your profile says you are "From: 8th house ; ) "

And that women with Sun in the 8th House often have a deep, important need in this life to regenerate/transform their unconscious shadow and views/perception/experience (8th House) in relation to men/male partners and/or father figures (Sun), especially in relation to intimacy, sharing resources (and these can be time, money, emotions, sex, etc), or other 8th House themes (Sun in the 8th). Also there is an important need to regenerate the whole, entire self, in general as well.

I happen to know a woman who also has Sun in the 8th, and while there are surface differences between you and her and your situations, there are some deeper similarities. She has a pattern/history of going for guys that are not particularly good for her. Unfortunately for her, she is very physically attractive and has a magnetic, sexualized energy, and of course MANY men tend to be strongly attracted to her.

But the ones she goes for, are often near or in the narcissistic spectrum, and are far more concerned with her body/looks and how that makes them look in the world to others (besides the sexual attraction aspect, which is usually a VERY strong focus).

Ironically, the one guy that truly and deeply loved her, more for her Soul and their Soul connection than anything else, she has rejected and pushed away time and time again. Two reasons, deep and intense, mostly unconscious fear of abandonment (the pain of pains for her due to a past life) and a lack of full self love/value. It is easier for her to choose a partner she can come to "kind of" love and who "kind of" loves her, but not in the scary intensity, all level merging way of the one she pushes away.

Also I suspected because of intuition. When I'm in a more centered and balanced state, I'm extremely intuitive. Symbolized by a combo of very strong Jupiter, strong Neptune, strong Uranus, Angular, 7th House Pisces South Node, Venus--ruler of the Moon and Mid Heaven in Aquarius, Angular and very closely sextile Sag Neptune and trine Libra Pluto (both -1 degree separation) and in close'sih square to Angular Scorpio Uranus, and very strong Capricorn (yes, believe it or not, but Cap is one of the intuitive Signs, though not to the degree of Aquarius and Pisces).

(But I'm just starting to come out of a phase/cycle of lack of balance and centeredness, so I don't always fully trust my intuition of late. Really need to get back into regular meditation and spend more time in in nature).

posted February 13, 2021 05:56 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
A combination between your profile says you are "From: 8th house ; ) "

And that women with Sun in the 8th House often have a deep, important need in this life to regenerate/transform their unconscious shadow and views/perception/experience (8th House) in relation to men/male partners and/or father figures (Sun), especially in relation to intimacy, sharing resources (and these can be time, money, emotions, sex, etc), or other 8th House themes (Sun in the 8th). Also there is an important need to regenerate the whole, entire self, in general as well.

I happen to know a woman who also has Sun in the 8th, and while there are surface differences between you and her and your situations, there are some deeper similarities. She has a pattern/history of going for guys that are not particularly good for her. Unfortunately for her, she is very physically attractive and has a magnetic, sexualized energy, and of course MANY men tend to be strongly attracted to her.

But the ones she goes for, are often near or in the narcissistic spectrum, and are far more concerned with her body/looks and how that makes them look in the world to others (besides the sexual attraction aspect, which is usually a VERY strong focus).

Ironically, the one guy that truly and deeply loved her, more for her Soul and their Soul connection than anything else, she has rejected and pushed away time and time again. Two reasons, deep and intense, mostly unconscious fear of abandonment (the pain of pains for her due to a past life) and a lack of full self love/value. It is easier for her to choose a partner she can come to "kind of" love and who "kind of" loves her, but not in the scary intensity, all level merging way of the one she pushes away.

Also I suspected because of intuition. When I'm in a more centered and balanced state, I'm extremely intuitive. Symbolized by a combo of very strong Jupiter, strong Neptune, strong Uranus, Angular, 7th House Pisces South Node, Venus--ruler of the Moon and Mid Heaven in Aquarius, Angular and very closely sextile Sag Neptune and trine Libra Pluto (both -1 degree separation) and in close'sih square to Angular Scorpio Uranus, and very strong Capricorn (yes, believe it or not, but Cap is one of the intuitive Signs, though not to the degree of Aquarius and Pisces).

(But I'm just starting to come out of a phase/cycle of lack of balance and centeredness, so I don't always fully trust my intuition of late. Really need to get back into regular meditation and spend more time in in nature).

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