posted February 14, 2021 12:36 PM            

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We'd look for the answer to/cause of [b]that in HIS natal chart. ... And there, we do indeed find slow/reluctant-to-change Saturn conjunct Venus in "I'm ok" Leo/9th house of "dun-roaming" ... with their mid-point semi-sextile Sun in "this guy is not for turning" Virgo + 10th house of status/reputation.

So ... he is indeed coming from a perspective of "why change that which is already perfect?" ... [And that is compounded by the Mercury-Mars-Chiron-Uranus Cradle Figure, encouraging him to stay in the warm bed of his comfort zone of houses 6 to 11 rather than venture into the unknown territory of houses 12 to 5.]

Hence, changing his Venus values is a (psychologically) status/reputation/"life"-threatening thing for him. ... So, the fact that he is merely resisting (rather than running for the hills in fear) indicates his enormous respect/love for you. ... And, in return, you can show your respect/love by allowing the change to happen at a pace that he is comfortable with (rather than you).[/B]

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posted February 15, 2021 02:57 AM            

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In HIS Marks Chart ... Moon is biquintile Jupiter (orb of 6 arc minutes); Jupiter is trine Venus (orb of 23 arc minutes) and Moon is in a 105degree/ 24th harmonic aspect with Venus (orb of 31 arc minutes).

So ... he is [b]very much emotionally connected to this relationship - especially as Moon and Jupiter are each "at home" in their own signs, and respectively in the house of friends and partners.

However, Venus is in the sign of it's detriment (Scorpio) and uncomfortable in the 3rd house of communications. ... So, it is difficult for him to express how much he actually values the relationship ... and (I guess) that is making you doubt his emotional connection to it.

posted February 16, 2021 01:53 PM            

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Originally posted by maleja.rangel :-

In HIS Marks Chart ... Moon is biquintile Jupiter (orb of 6 arc minutes); Jupiter is trine Venus (orb of 23 arc minutes) and Moon is in a 105degree/ 24th harmonic aspect with Venus (orb of 31 arc minutes).

So ... he is [b]very much emotionally connected to this relationship - especially as Moon and Jupiter are each "at home" in their own signs, and respectively in the house of friends and partners.

However, Venus is in the sign of it's detriment (Scorpio) and uncomfortable in the 3rd house of communications. ... So, it is difficult for him to express how much he actually values the relationship ... and (I guess) that is making you doubt his emotional connection to it.

Bear in mind that "men are from Mars, and women are from Venus". ... So, if you do not openly express your concerns and discuss them with him, he will assume you do not have them.[/B]

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Thank you so much Graham, you are absoluty right about your comment. Sometimes he feels a bit frustrated about not being able to easily communicate how happy he is in the relationship but I guess with time we have been able to understand better each other and how we feel about things in general.

I would like to ask you something, what happened if the Davison chart is very rocky like the one of my relationship, same for composite haha, but the way how people feel about the relationship is good?

the composite chart or davison is supposed to be how energy actually develops, But what happens if those charts are not so good but the energy of the person feels good with it? change the way you see these charts?

posted February 16, 2021 04:37 PM            

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Originally posted by maleja.rangel:

Thank you so much Graham, you are absoluty right about your comment. Sometimes he feels a bit frustrated about not being able to easily communicate how happy he is in the relationship but I guess with time we have been able to understand better each other and how we feel about things in general.

I would like to ask you something, what happened if the Davison chart is very rocky like the one of my relationship, same for composite haha, but the way how people feel about the relationship is good?

the composite chart or davison is supposed to be how energy actually develops, But what happens if those charts are not so good but the energy of the person feels good with it? change the way you see these charts?

Thank you again Graham for your time <3

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Two souls who truly love each other will make their relationship work ... even if the astrology indicates that it will not.

posted February 17, 2021 06:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
my wife and I have been together for 55 years ... but our charts show two people who cannot be in the same room together for 55 minutes.

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😅 I’ve been having a lousy mood and you made me laugh.

posted February 17, 2021 12:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
😅 I’ve been having a lousy mood and you made me laugh.

What, if you don’t mind sharing, are the traditionally difficult aspects in your composite? I was horrified at the interpretations I got of our composite: uncommitted, toxic, abusive, fling, lousy sex etc. Caused my alarm to go off with every little thing he did/didn’t do.

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I do not know what the traditionally difficult aspects are, but the mid-point composite of my wife and I has :-

1. Intercepted Cancer+Moon+Uranus and Capricorn+Sun+Mars

2. Duplicated Aries on 5th+6th and Libra on 11th+12th, with NN in 5th and SN-conjunct-Neptune in 11th.

3. Sun in Cap/2nd opposite Uranus in Cancer/8th.

4. Moon in Cancer/8th opposite Mars in Capricorn/2nd (conjunct Jupiter in Aquarius/2nd)

5. Saturn in Virgo/10th square Venus in Sag/1st. (This produces temporary Thor's Hammers when progs/transits/3rd-person-charts bring planet/point to 3Taurus -6Taurus]

6. Pluto at Leo 18 -> semisextile Saturn at Virgo 10 -> semisextile Neptune at Libra 17. ... The Neptune-Pluto sextile produces temporary Yods, and the semisextiles produce temporary poleaxe configurations.

posted February 17, 2021 09:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
I do not know what the traditionally difficult aspects are, but the mid-point composite of my wife and I has :-

1. Intercepted Cancer+Moon+Uranus and Capricorn+Sun+Mars

2. Duplicated Aries on 5th+6th and Libra on 11th+12th, with NN in 5th and SN-conjunct-Neptune in 11th.

3. Sun in Cap/2nd opposite Uranus in Cancer/8th.

4. Moon in Cancer/8th opposite Mars in Capricorn/2nd (conjunct Jupiter in Aquarius/2nd)

5. Saturn in Virgo/10th square Venus in Sag/1st. (This produces temporary Thor's Hammers when progs/transits/3rd-person-charts bring planet/point to 3Taurus -6Taurus]

6. Pluto at Leo 18 -> semisextile Saturn at Virgo 10 -> semisextile Neptune at Libra 17. ... The Neptune-Pluto sextile produces temporary Yods, and the semisextiles produce temporary poleaxe configurations.

The saving grace is that the Moon is the sole dispositor of all other planets in the chart, so all the energy is ultimately focused upon "caring about the feelings/emotions of others".

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It goes to show that nothing is doom and gloom if two people are willing to work at it. 👍 How does that cMoon/Uranus-Sun/Mars feel?

My guy and I have a cMars-Uranus-Saturn t-square and I was often given the impression that it will “kill” us one day. Our Pluto squares interpretation is equally bad. We have most planets in watery signs. Truth be told I felt disillusioned after reading the interpretations given. I thought I must’ve been living in a dream for not feeling all those toxicity and abuse.

Traditionally difficult aspects (as I have learned) are afflictions to Sun/Moon/Mars/Midheaven from the outer planets. All these aspects sound like a death sentence.

posted February 18, 2021 01:17 AM            

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I agree with what you said so I guess you have a Sun/Moon opposition or the orb isn’t enough? It’s very interesting your aspects, probably some people will tell the relationship wont last. Is the synastry with hard aspects too?? I guess the interaction must be different, I’m assuming the composite is the energy that synastry creates or something like that but then probably the synastry is helping, right?

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Sun at 0Capricorn35 : Uranus at 03Cancer04 : Moon at 27Cancer16 ... Thus, Moon->Sun = 153deg19mins = 120th harmonic aspect (120H)

Moreover, Sun-Moon-Uranus are all in a 120H aspect relationship = 3H (ease) x 8H (persistence) x 5H (intellect/rational-thinking) = natural inclination to rationally-express (Sun) unexpected (Uranus) emotions/feelings (Moon).

Hence, the issue is that feelings/emotions are intellectualised rather than experienced. ... "Feel the fear, but do not express/experience/embrace it"

And ... in this relationship of my wife and I ... it manifests as the classic "he is from Mercury, but she is from Moon" ... or, "he has not a clue why she is upset, and she has not a clue why (if we are one) he does not know (unless she tells him)".
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Yes. ... For example, the composite Sun-Moon-Uranus 120H issue appears in the synastry as her Sun square my NN : her Moon conjunct my Pluto and square my Mercury : her Mercury opposing my Moon : her Uranus conjunct my Moon.

posted February 18, 2021 02:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
It goes to show that nothing is doom and gloom if two people are willing to work at it. 👍 How does that cMoon/Uranus-Sun/Mars feel?

My guy and I have a cMars-Uranus-Saturn t-square and I was often given the impression that it will “kill” us one day. Our Pluto squares interpretation is equally bad. We have most planets in watery signs. Truth be told I felt disillusioned after reading the interpretations given. I thought I must’ve been living in a dream for not feeling all those toxicity and abuse.

Traditionally difficult aspects (as I have learned) are afflictions to Sun/Moon/Mars/Midheaven from the outer planets. All these aspects sound like a death sentence.

But something else I’ve also learned is that there’s no perfect relationship, thus no perfect chart. I know long-term couples with a chart full of t-squares. Some would argue they must be having a lousy marriage but IMO they’re doing much better than a lot of relationships I read about on LL.

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Composite Mars is at 28Capricorn07, in 2nd house and opposite Moon. ... So, astrologically, it combines with Sun-Moon-Uranus to form an irritation rectangle ... thus prolonging/providing fuel for the issues/events created by that triangle.

For example ... when I intellectualise rather than attempt to empathise with her feelings, that Mars might spend weeks shouting (in the bedroom) "know thyself, Mr Objectivity".
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Traditionally difficult aspects (as I have learned) are afflictions to Sun/Moon/Mars/Midheaven from the outer planets. All these aspects sound like a death sentence.

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I regard outer-to-inner planet synastry aspects as having the potential to (eventually) end the relationship unless they are consciously addressed by both partners - if only because their real roots are often in a past lifetime, rather than created by events in the current one.

So ... in that context ... these synastry aspects ARE a death sentence for relationships in which one partner is (and remains) unable to recognise the issue OR to consciously address it.

posted February 18, 2021 01:31 PM            

So ... in that context ... these synastry aspects ARE a death sentence for relationships in which one partner is (and remains) unable to recognise the issue OR to consciously address it.

This also applies when these aspects appear in the composite chart, but few astrologers seem to understand that identifying the real roots of the problem requires an analysis of the two individual charts."

This is really a great insight for me, in my relationship his saturn squares my sun and my mercury and also his mars is squaring my sun and my mercury (OMG), his Jupiter is also squaring my moon and venus, and his neptune is making also square to moon and venus. God have saved us lol, we have been together for almost 11 years. We don't have squares with outer planets in composite but still being very rocky for personal planets.

I guess my synastry is a proof that sometimes free will can work lol. in the composite the sun/moon midpoint is opposite to uranus.

posted February 19, 2021 10:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
I regard outer-to-inner planet [b]synastry aspects as having the potential to (eventually) end the relationship unless they are consciously addressed by both partners - if only because their real roots are often in a past lifetime, rather than created by events in the current one.

So ... in that context ... these synastry aspects ARE a death sentence for relationships in which one partner is (and remains) unable to recognise the issue OR to consciously address it.

This also applies when these aspects appear in the composite chart, but few astrologers seem to understand that identifying the real roots of the problem requires an analysis of the two individual charts. [/B]

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So how do you think me and my guy’s composite Mars-Uranus-Saturn t-square might play out? This t-square isn’t in our Davison so what would this imply?

posted February 20, 2021 03:59 AM            

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n my relationship his saturn squares my sun and my mercury and also his mars is squaring my sun and my mercury (OMG), his Jupiter is also squaring my moon and venus, and his neptune is making also square to moon and venus. God have saved us lol, we have been together for almost 11 years. We don't have squares with outer planets in composite but still being very rocky for personal planets.

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The big-hitters/potential-relationship-breakers here are his natal Saturn + Neptune aspects to your natal planets ... Saturn square Sun+Mercury : Neptune square Moon+Venus. ... (Jupiter+inner-planets contacts to Jupiter+inner-planets generally manifest as personality clashes, rather than relationship-breakers).

And ... with ALL outer to inner planets contacts ... the outer planet person is teaching a lesson to the inner planet person ... BUT, how that is done depends upon whether the aspect is positive or negative AND the outer planet person's level of astrological maturity.

Positive aspects indicate dharma from a past lifetime together, and negative aspects indicate karma ... whilst the outer planet person's astrological maturity determines the extent to which he/she will be able to deal with the subconscious-and-instinctive fear generated in the current lifetime by the karma from the past life.

If the outer planet partner is unable or unwilling to consciously identify, confront and overcome those subconscious fears ... he/she will attempt to change the partner's inner planet behaviour, because it is (subconsciously) reminding him/her of the difficult/emotionally-painful events experienced in the past life with someone that behaved in the same way ... and he/she is not yet ready to deal with that in the current lifetime.

So ... since your relationship has now lasted for some 11 years ... my guess is that your partner's Saturn and Neptune are "astrologically mature".
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However ... when the outer planet person is able to identify, confront and overcome his/her fears in the current lifetime ... this rarely happens if the inner planet person is not also 'astrologically mature" ... because that would result in behaviour from him/her which confirms the validity of the outer planet person's fears.

posted February 20, 2021 07:02 AM            

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How do you think me and my guy’s composite Mars-Uranus-Saturn t-square might play out? (I was often given the impression that it will “kill” us one day.)

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I do not see this as a Tsquare ... because the aspect separation degrees are those of a 60th harmonic triangle ... [ 90deg30 = 15/60ths : 83deg17 = 14/60ths : 173deg48 = 29/60ths. ]

So, Mars-Uranus-Saturn are in a 3H x 4H x 5H relationship ... enjoying (3H) an intellectual (5H) effort (4H) - rather than "tackling an issue/problem" (4H Tsquare).

Thus ... spontaneous Uranus in taboo-challenging Scorpio/9th house of "mind broadening experiences" has to find a way to move beyond the boundaries of Saturn in "look-at-me" Leo/5th house of romance ... and Mars in early Taurus/3rd house of thinking/ideas is providing the fuel to do so.

Hence ... my guess is this is simply about the two of you accepting that "in the privacy of our bedroom, whatever we enjoy doing together is ok".

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posted February 20, 2021 10:36 AM            

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The big-hitters/potential-relationship-breakers here are his natal Saturn + Neptune aspects to your natal planets ... Saturn square Sun+Mercury : Neptune square Moon+Venus. ... (Jupiter+inner-planets contacts to Jupiter+inner-planets generally manifest as personality clashes, rather than relationship-breakers).

And ... with ALL outer to inner planets contacts ... the outer planet person is teaching a lesson to the inner planet person ... BUT, [b]how that is done depends upon whether the aspect is positive or negative AND the outer planet person's level of astrological maturity.

Positive aspects indicate dharma from a past lifetime together, and negative aspects indicate karma ... whilst the outer planet person's astrological maturity determines the extent to which he/she will be able to deal with the subconscious-and-instinctive fear generated in the current lifetime by the karma from the past life.

If the outer planet partner is unable or unwilling to consciously identify, confront and overcome those subconscious fears ... he/she will attempt to change the partner's inner planet behaviour, because it is (subconsciously) reminding him/her of the difficult/emotionally-painful events experienced in the past life with someone that behaved in the same way ... and he/she is not yet ready to deal with that in the current lifetime.

So ... since your relationship has now lasted for some 11 years ... my guess is that your partner's Saturn and Neptune are "astrologically mature".
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However ... when the outer planet person is able to identify, confront and overcome his/her fears in the current lifetime ... this rarely happens if the inner planet person is not also 'astrologically mature" ... because that would result in behaviour from him/her which confirms the validity of the outer planet person's fears.

For example ... if (say) his Saturn subconsciously feared being "mocked" for not being able to match your intellectual self-expression (Mercury+Sun) ... that fear would be confirmed if you actually did engage in such behaviour. [/B]

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posted February 21, 2021 11:53 AM            

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Graham, I read what you said about the Davidson, what happened if in the Davidson there are oppositions but in the composite there are trines? For example in Composite there is Mars trine Saturn - Uranus - Neptune, but in the Davidson they are in opposition. What is changing there? What if some aspects aren’t in composite but what show up in Davidson? It’s a doubt that I have been trying to understand and I haven’t found a lot about it. Thank you and sorry for asking so much haha

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1. The two natal charts reveal the individual issues of each partner.

2. The synastry highlights the issues the two people will have as a couple.

3. The composite chart shows how the two people will work together, as a team/couple.

4. The davison indicates the purpose of their relationship, or what the two souls intend to learn from their interaction with each other.
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Thus ... in the composite, the trine might be telling us that the couple actively (Mars) and instinctively (Neptune) embrace astrology (Uranus) whilst remaining grounded (Saturn).

But ... in the davison, the opposition might be telling us that they are learning to not force (Mars) their astrological beliefs/interests onto others.
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posted February 21, 2021 12:05 PM            

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posted February 21, 2021 12:46 PM            

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Are you asking me to point to astrological indicators that suggest you are two souls who (prior to incarnating) contracted to be in a long-term relationship in their current lifetimes?

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YES! Is that possible? if it is, it would be awesome. I have checked draconics and also draconic to natal chart. We have contacts but I don’t see HOW and WHY from an astrological perspective we are still together.

posted February 22, 2021 09:19 AM            

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YES! Is that possible? if it is, it would be awesome. I have checked draconics and also draconic to natal chart. We have contacts but I don’t see HOW and WHY from an astrological perspective we are still together.

Also, I decided to open a topic where I post our progressed composite chart during my Saturn return, during that time, Saturn will be transiting the progressed DC of the relationship and we have barely aspects in the progressed. Does this mean the relationship will end? I’m not completely sure how to interpret that. Probably you know how to give me more insights about this. Thank you! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

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I'd use the Lala+Rol Davison Chart for this ... which has not yet been posted by you. ... So, referring to that chart calculation/image on my own computer software*, I'd draw your attention to the following two astrological indicators :-

1. Pluto in Scorpio/10th makes an exact sextile to Saturn in Capricorn/12th - and a qcx from each of these planets turns that into a Yod figure, with Jupiter in Gemini/5th as the apex planet.

2. Aries is intercepted in 3rd house; Libra is intercepted in 9th house; Taurus is on the cusp of 4th+5th houses; Scorpio is on the cusp of 10th+11th houses; Sun is in 4th house and Pluto is in 10th house.

Both of these sets of astrological indicators require many years to work through. ... So, why would two souls contract to have them in their Davison Chart if they were not intending to be in a long-term relationship together?

[ * Can you please post the Lala+Rol Davison chart, as I need to be sure that we are using the same one.]

posted February 22, 2021 02:50 PM            

here is the Davison

I tought the first configuration you mentioned was something generational. I'm a amateur with the terms you use haha, I'm so new with all this you mentioned, I mean I know the terms but I don't know how to pack them and give them a meaning. In that case, why that configurations give a sense of long term to the relationship? Is something to work about power, authority, sharing? I'm just trying to give a meaning to the situation in general.

posted February 22, 2021 08:13 PM            

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If it is not in the Davison, the issue is not something which, prior to incarnating, the two souls contracted to address in this relationship. ... In effect, it is monotony-relieving-mechanism for those couples who sometimes "just wanna have fun".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9dz--yKDZY

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I’m not familiar with harmonics. So you actually don’t see this as a tension t-square? We can sometimes get into serious arguments though, over opinions and values. I feel he’s BS-ing me and he thinks I’m irrational. I had thought this might be a Mercury problem but our composite Mercury is mainly well-aspected.

posted February 22, 2021 10:15 PM            

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I’m not familiar with harmonics. So you actually don’t see this as a tension t-square? We can sometimes get into serious arguments though, over opinions and values. I feel he’s BS-ing me and he thinks I’m irrational. I had thought this might be a Mercury problem but our composite Mercury is mainly well-aspected.

On the other hand it’s right that we’re a fun couple and that seems key to our survival. We need to be able to laugh about things and discuss them like friends. When we do this everything seems to flow much better.

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The arguments are coming from the Mars-Chiron trine and Mars-Uranus sextile, which is a (healthy) safety valve for releasing tension. ... What is not released as fun in the bedroom will express as explosions outside the bedroom.