posted February 09, 2021 10:32 AM            

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Originally posted by viviette:
Good idea
we should be able to see both points of view

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Astrodatabank gives Jennifer and Brad's birth times an AA and A rating respectively ... So, let's use those :-

Brad Pitt 18th December 1963 ... 06.31am ... Shawnee, Oklahoma ... 35N20 : 96W56

posted February 09, 2021 10:38 AM            

Davison (u)

Brad natal

posted February 09, 2021 03:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
I his Sun-Uranus qcx is likely to feel very differently about this relationship than her Sun-Saturn qcx. ("Freedom" cries Brad ... "Responsibility" cries Jenn)

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posted February 10, 2021 02:14 AM            

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Originally posted by viviette:
I hear Ascendant ruler is important ?

What do we look at after sun for possible dealbreakers?

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The basic meanings of astrological indicators remain the same as in natal chart interpretation ... What changes is the context in which we are interpreting them - which, in this case, is a relationship rather than an individual/person.

So ... if these two Marks Charts were the natal charts of a person/individual, what astrological indicators would you consider to be deal breakers?

posted February 10, 2021 02:34 AM            

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Originally posted by viviette:
A mutual friend of theirs allegedly said, “Having a baby was not his priority, whereas for Jen it was.”

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Perhaps they actually clashed about the responsibility of bringing a child into the world/environment in which they were obliged to live. ... (My gut feeling is that Brad would have been very aware of how this would restrict the child's development, whilst Jenn might have seen their celebrity status as a "good thing" for their children.)

posted February 10, 2021 06:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
(Interestingly, this blocking may have been the inspiration/basis of the difficulty his character had with her's when they appeared together in "Friends" ... perhaps in an effort to release the real-life tension.)
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I’m reminded of how handsome he is. 🤤

Graham, how would you interpret this intertwining pattern in Marks?:

Sun opposite Saturn and square Uranus, forming a t-square. This looks very difficult but...
Saturn is also part of a grand kite with trine to Venus/Vertex conjunction, Neptune/Eros conjunction and sextile to Pluto (Pluto opposite Venus). *Venus is chart ruler.
Sun is also sextile Neptune, trine Pluto.

posted February 10, 2021 09:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I’m reminded of how handsome he is. 🤤

Graham, how would you interpret this intertwining pattern in Marks?:

Sun opposite Saturn and square Uranus, forming a t-square. This looks very difficult but...
Saturn is also part of a grand kite with trine to Venus/Vertex conjunction, Neptune/Eros conjunction and sextile to Pluto (Pluto opposite Venus). *Venus is chart ruler.
Sun is also sextile Neptune, trine Pluto.

Would you say the supportive aspects are providing enough to keep him interested? If yes how strong is this?

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I cannot visualise the pattern, Hikaru.

Sun-Venus-Saturn-Pluto are in a mystic rectangle? ... Sun-Saturn-Uranus are in a Tsquare? ... And Venus-Saturn-Uranus are in a medium learning triangle (trine-square-semisextile)? ... But, is Neptune conjunct Venus?

posted February 11, 2021 12:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
I cannot visualise the pattern, Hikaru.

Sun-Venus-Saturn-Pluto are in a mystic rectangle? ... Sun-Saturn-Uranus are in a Tsquare? ... And Venus-Saturn-Uranus are in a medium learning triangle (trine-square-semisextile)? ... But, is Neptune conjunct Venus?

What signs are each of the planets in?

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Maybe it's easier if I post the Marks chart.

Can you see Venus-Pluto-Saturn-Neptune in a grand kite? Vertex is conjunct Venus as well.

Sun also sextile Neptune, trine Pluto.

But at the same time...

posted February 12, 2021 02:11 AM            

The orb issue is going to complicate our analysis of this ... because we do not know the extent to which this chart owner's level of sensitivity is above/below that of the "average" person.

So, let's start by analysing the patterns as if every planet involved was at the same degree as (say) Pluto BUT still in the sign/house of their location in this Marks Chart. ... Thus, every aspect is exact - so, manifesting at it's strongest.
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If all aspects in these patterns were exact .... this pattern is connecting a mystic rectangle (sun-venus-saturn-pluto) to a detective figure (sun-pluto-uranus-neptune), and it is immediately apparent that it is driven/fuelled by the sun-saturn-uranus Tsquare. ... However, what is not so obvious is that all of the energy is focused upon developing Venus - the "peak" planet at the tail of the Kite (and the fastest-moving planet in the group).

In the sport of Boxing, this would be akin to the lightweight champion (Venus) being "knocked into shape" by the 4 hardest punchers in the heavyweight division and the middleweight champion (Sun) ... IF THEY CAN CATCH HIM.

posted February 12, 2021 12:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
And ... if these orbs [b]were exact, they would easily catch/influence him ... So, those wide-orbed Venus aspects may indicate that the chart owner does not want this relationship to change his values.
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posted February 12, 2021 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Thanks, Graham. So by this concluding statement, is this saying that this relationship may not be what he wants? What does it say about his affection then?

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I think it is saying that he needs to be changed/taken to the water at his own pace rather than the partner's.

For example, that Saturn-Neptune-Pluto triangle is very willing to embrace change and the Sun-Saturn-Uranus Tsquare is actually wanting it. ... But Venus needs to be persuaded to let-go of the old values (perhaps acquired via childhood conditioning).

posted February 13, 2021 08:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
I think it is saying that he needs to be changed/taken to the water at his own pace rather than the partner's.

For example, that Saturn-Neptune-Pluto triangle is very willing to embrace change and the Sun-Saturn-Uranus Tsquare is actually wanting it. ... But Venus needs to be persuaded to let-go of the old values (perhaps acquired via childhood conditioning).

I can relate to this one personally ... in that I resisted the efforts of teachers/mentors to prepare me for a white-collar career, because I wanted to remain in the working-class environment into which I had been born. However, I still wanted to be educated-and-developed by those teachers and mentors.

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Thanks, I can understand better with your example. In some ways he does seem like that...he resists any attempts (intentional or unintentional) from my end to drive the relationship... but when I let go, he starts moving and leading.

So you see his Sun-Saturn-Uranus Tsquare as actually activating him, not resisting?

posted February 13, 2021 09:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Thanks, I can understand better with your example. In some ways he does seem like that...he resists any attempts (intentional or unintentional) from my end to drive the relationship... but when I let go, he starts moving and leading.

So you see his Sun-Saturn-Uranus Tsquare as actually activating him, not resisting?

How would you intercepted Venus conjunct Vertex?

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posted February 14, 2021 12:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
The Venus-vertex conjunction indicates that he was fated to enter into this relationship - probably because it is helping him to overcome this resistance to letting go of his childhood-conditioned Venus values.

In effect, this conjunction indicates a "partnership made/agreed in heaven, to be fulfilled on Earth" ... And, of course, it suggests that (at the Soul level) he has incarnated with the intention of changing those Venus values - and the relationship provides a mechanism to counter any resistance (from the one-lifetime ego) to doing so.

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That’s right, he told me he has always felt that our relationship is fated and meant to happen, but does Marks chart actually describes the reality - "partnership made/agreed in heaven, to be fulfilled on Earth" - or just how he feels? There’s a Juno-Jupiter opposition that might support this but I’m not sure.

posted February 14, 2021 01:04 AM            

However ... ALL Davison Charts are relationships/partnerships/contracts/agreements "made in heaven, prior to incarnating". ...So here, we would look at the Davison to confirm whether or not "changing his Venus values" is the purpose (or one of the purposes) of this relationship.*

[ * I have the charts of you and your partner on my computer, and can see the Kite figure created in the Davison by Moon-Venus-Jupiter-Vertex ... which is effectively a "fated" Moon-Jupiter opposition that is eased by the Venus trine + sextile. (And Moon is the focus of the Kite energy, rather than Venus.)

As with all natal charts, the ultimate purpose is "to make the Sun shine". ... And, in this Davison, that is hindered by the interceptions and duplications - which highlight an 11th house issue, involving Sun+Mercury+Venus (and adversely affecting the 12th house in a way that, until resolved, locks up the positive qualities of intercepted vertex + Mars + Virgo + Pisces).

posted February 14, 2021 09:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Thanks, Graham. I'm still unable to pinpoint what exactly is the thing that's causing his resistance. Is it something about me or him...or perhaps something about this relationship that's too much out of his comfort zone. I know my values towards love and relationship shifted because of him. I'm not sure about him...sometimes it feels like he's not brave enough or too comfortable staying in familiarity...kinda disappointing. I've Venus in Gemini and patience isn't one of our traits. Haha...

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We'd look for the answer to/cause of that in HIS natal chart. ... And there, we do indeed find slow/reluctant-to-change Saturn conjunct Venus in "I'm ok" Leo/9th house of "dun-roaming" ... with their mid-point semi-sextile Sun in "this guy is not for turning" Virgo + 10th house of status/reputation.

So ... he is indeed coming from a perspective of "why change that which is already perfect?" ... [And that is compounded by the Mercury-Mars-Chiron-Uranus Cradle Figure, encouraging him to stay in the warm bed of his comfort zone of houses 6 to 11 rather than venture into the unknown territory of houses 12 to 5.]

posted February 14, 2021 12:20 PM            

In this case should I count also the minor aspects or just the form in the graphic?

Would you mind helping interpreting this? Do you think he probably doesn’t feel emotionally connected? Just asking because our marks are highly different hahaha.

This is mine

I see more flowing aspects in my case according to emotions. That’s why I was wondering about that