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plutonianmenace
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posted February 17, 2021 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I have a guy that works under me (the Leo) and a woman who he is reporting to for a project from mid 2020 to end of 2021 (The Sag). I know the two very well.

The Leo is my best employee and very hardworking, he is good at what he does and dedicated. The Sag is practically a veteran at the company and I have known her over the years as a good friend. Now usually the Leo is driven and jolly while the Sag is driven but a very gentle lady, like super bubbly and positive sounding.

Thankfully, neither of the two have met each other in real life but they bring out the most intense emotions in each other, namely the Leo in the Sag. Whenever I have come to her for reviews on him, she gives good reviews of his performance but then acts unprofessional and says profane things about him. She went on for 2 hours a month ago talking about how he is so mean and uncaring, I have never seen her get so worked up, not even over legitimately bad employees but something about him incites a lot of emotions from her.

With him, I have seen him worry to me about what she thinks and says. Says that she comes off as cold towards him but then does things like texting him on weekends about work and trying to contact him outside of work hours regularly.

They are producing GREAT results together but it seems like some intense emotions are at play here, what is going on?

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posted February 17, 2021 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted February 17, 2021 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay chart should show above

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posted February 18, 2021 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
updated this is 2.20
You might be wise if this was a well intended info Req, you come back to inquire after 3/13. The responses, as you said below on 2.20, you felt responses were in conflict. Mercury is still in retrograde.



. removed my original reading info - same reason as Todd cited below in his leaving your thread. - as well your intentions to me feel a bit off.

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posted February 18, 2021 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for livvywatermonkey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi plutonionmenace,

I notice his Mars in her 12th house opposed to her Mars and Venus.

The Mars-Venus opposition makes me wonder if there is an element of attraction?

His Venus also square her Mars, and his Pluto conjunct her Mars.

I think she may feel like he has the upper hand, and sees through her, so she acts defensively to show she is not intimidated by his energy, but I believe he may also respect her more than she realises & she may calm down if she knew he doesn’t intend to use his “power” to manipulate her or make her lose face

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posted February 18, 2021 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi plutonianmenance.
I looked at the composite and it is clear that she has a subconscious attraction for him and meanwhile he is not on the sane wavelength.

Lilith is conjunct the node square Venus which is conjunct to psyche and mercury.

Saturn is conjunct to Eris and opposed
the psyche/sun/Venus stellium

The node and Lilith give a deep subconscious emotional connection as well as a strong mental and psychic connection. The Venus/sun/psyche stellium shows he makes her feel like she is on cloud 9.
With psyche opposed to eris and Saturn this infatuation is driving very carnal longing in her.the mercury/Pluto midpoint conjunct the sun shows these dynamics are subconscious and/or repressed and blocked.
With the moon square to sedna she is still manifesting the truth. With the Saturn/sedna midpoint and eris/sedna midpoint opposed to pluto he likely doesn't realize the depth of her feelings.with mars semi square to Venus,their emotional relationship is a bit scratchy.

With Juno biquintile to Jupiter and ixion they can bring the best of each other out professionally but especially with ixion present,this quintile could easily degenerate into mutual hostilities if the underlying emotion dynamics are not assuaged.
With the Saturn/moon midpoint conjunct to Chiron,they generate a very incisive,analytical and critical faculty.
But Chiron can be very destructive when either feel slighted.
He must respect her feelings.that is don't overtly reject her as to make her feel slighted or vindictivei think he could understand how a older woman might take a fancy to a young guy.but I am not sure she could on her own recognize the inappropriate nature of her feelings .
She on the other hand must be made to realize that this is a professionally relationship and not a romantic one.
.because the subconscious symbols are so much stronger around her,I would think it falls on you to figure how to broach the subject without upsetting or offending her.
You have already commented on how good their work is....this is the Juno/Jupiter biquintile at work,so they both must focus on the value of their professional collaboration and not let personal inclinations break this up.

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posted February 18, 2021 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well. Things have cooled down between them a great deal but the intensity is there a good amount.

One thing about the Leo, he is, well, the type to get around. I mean neither of them are bad looking people, for her age she is quite the stunner.

Even then, she seems to have put a spell on him because he does seem to dedicate more time to her project and to her. They have not met in real life yet, what do you think happens if they do?

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quote:
Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
Well. Things have cooled down between them a great deal but the intensity is there a good amount.

One thing about the Leo, he is, well, the type to get around. I mean neither of them are bad looking people, for her age she is quite the stunner.

Even then, she seems to have put a spell on him because he does seem to dedicate more time to her project and to her. They have not met in real life yet, what do you think happens if they do?


With his Pluto conjunct her Mars, and her Pluto trine his Mars ... if they meet in real life, he might "have her over a barrel".

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posted February 19, 2021 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what does have her over a barrel mean exactly?

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posted February 19, 2021 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
not sure what is supposed to mean

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posted February 19, 2021 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
Well. Things have cooled down between them a great deal but the intensity is there a good amount.

One thing about the Leo, he is, well, the type to get around. I mean neither of them are bad looking people, for her age she is quite the stunner.

Even then, she seems to have put a spell on him because he does seem to dedicate more time to her project and to her. They have not met in real life yet, what do you think happens if they do?


Eris is conjunct to Saturn ,so when they met face to face ,he will probably start to think about her in a sexuak manner.but eris is very sexual but not intimately emotional,so I think he will not try to make this an intimate relationship.he has already commented how she is trying to get together outside of work.the operative aspect is Juno biquintile to Jupiter.this is a difficult aspect in a composite because quintiles relate to personal genius or excellence.so for two "geniuses" to work together is very difficult because usually one ego tries to exert dominance. Then the relationship disintegrates.
I think that he has the sense to realize a workplace "romance" will ultimately end to his detriment.

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posted February 19, 2021 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so let me get this straight because I am mixing things up here, going strictly off the synastry and composite, HE is the one who has the thing for her?

Trying to make sense of things here but it seems like from what you guys are saying, he is the one trying to make moves on her, game her, and try to be with her while she is the one who is just there to do her job.

In that case, it is likely that he is making her uncomfortable with some maybe flirting online and she is the one who is just seriously trying to do well professionally.

In other words, this whole synastry and composite is one-sided? The Leo is the one invested and the one with a thing while the Sag is more like "dude, I am just all about work".

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posted February 20, 2021 02:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suggest you do not lump our interpretations together.you are consciously mixing these up and are acting like a match maker more than a superior.you obvious have your own ideas so I am getting out of this thread bye

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quote:
Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
what does have her over a barrel mean exactly?

His Mars and her Pluto are conjunct in their own sign of Pluto. ... So, there is considerable potential for this to become an intense sexual relationship, between two people communicating (3rd) in the workplace (6th).

And ... if it does, he will be the one with the power in the relationship ... because her Pluto is in co-operative Libra/5th house (of romance), and making a trine to his (play-the-field) Mars in superficial Gemini/10th house of reputation/status.

In the UK, when partnerA has Pluto power over partnerB, we refer to it as "A is able to have B over a barrel"* (both literally and metaphorically) if he chooses to do so.

So ... my advice to her would be to NOT get involved in a romantic relationship with him ... because it will undermine her authority in the workplace (with everyone, rather than only him).

Hence, if (as todd warns) you are contemplating being a matchmaker, be aware that a relationship with him will result in her ultimately being tested in "the Pluto fires of L".

[ * http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/over-a-barrel.html ]

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posted February 20, 2021 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Easy there man, I am getting conflicting info on this thread so I am a bit confused. Thank you for those that are still engaging in the thread. It just seems like from the outset, there is a powerful exchange in this relationship.

Am I also right to fear that one might kill the other?

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
Easy there man, I am getting conflicting info on this thread so I am a bit confused. Thank you for those that are still engaging in the thread. It just seems like from the outset, there is a powerful exchange in this relationship.

Am I also right to fear that one might kill the other?


A romantic relationship might "kill" the professional standing in the workplace of one or both of them. ... Neither will have the same level of respect from colleagues after becoming a couple/item than they had before doing so.

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posted February 21, 2021 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At this point, she is so high up and our field is so loose on morals, I doubt it would have the same effect.

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posted February 24, 2021 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
things seem really mellow between the two right now

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posted February 24, 2021 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol she gets so worked up because she has her mars in Scorpio conjunct his pluto. Pluto is adding a lot more energy and intensity to her already passionate mars in Scorpio.
Then they have moon square moon, sun square moon, mercury opposite mars; very tense/incompatible tension filled aspects. They simply are two very different people who don’t have much in common or get along that well.
I don’t think it’s because they have a thing for each other lol especially considering they’ve never even met and she’s trash talking him and he says she’s acting cold and he’s worried about what she’s thinking or says about him because he can sense she doesn’t like him! He’s working under her, it’s only natural since she reports to you. Makes sense why he’s worried. And it’s justified since she clearly doesn’t like him.
I can’t believe people are saying it’s because of attraction when it’s so clear from the charts it’s genuine annoyance and incompatibility. That’s not how people act when they like each other lol!

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You can't base things on one aspect alone, but besides the Mars Pluto, they also have a fairly tight Venus Mars opposition.

Venus Mars oppositions, on average, are one of the most intensely sexually charged combos around (2nd only to the more primal/purely rutting Moon Mars opposition--two lower center symbols). You're taking two energies/parts of the psyche that are already true opposites and which have a strong attraction for each other anyways, and then ALSO putting them in an opposition aspect, which really ups the ante.

But the problem with oppositions is that while the attraction can be very intense, there is often a lot of "push pull" that happens as well. It's a bit like being on a teeter totter wherein instead of a balanced middle, you get polarization and going to extremes. Ultimately, such a connection is trying to seek or facilitate balance, integration, and harmonious merging, but it can take a lot to get there. It takes mutual maturity and inner balance/centeredness to get there. If one, or both lack that, it can be very hard to make it work outside of the bedroom (for this is one of those "rip each other's clothes off" type connection).

I had a connection wherein we had two Venus-Mars oppositions, wherein Venus is a sensitive/receptive/highlighted symbol in both our charts, and Mars is a very sensitive/highlighted symbol in her chart. I felt like a giant human magnet around her. These weren't the only intense connections going on, but these kind of summed up and epitomized the intensity of attraction. I have never felt so attracted to another person in my entire life. I really doubt I will ever experience similar with another person again, either.

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posted February 25, 2021 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I honestly feel like moon aspects are very overrated for synastry and quite frankly, passion can manifest as some sort of roughness and hatred. If anything, I find that overrated aspects like Sun conjunct Moon at best signal friendships than anything romantic.

I am of the stance that squares and oppositions are healthy in synastry because they keep that tense friction. Any astrologer who is against them and very traditional about it in my view is just way out of touch and perhaps even a bit biased.

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posted February 26, 2021 12:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I come to you guys with some news. I have heard from a couple of coworkers that the two ended up meeting up for drinks in the city, this is just a rumor by the way, and she was all over him. Apparently, she was grinding on him and locking lips with the guy.

How I heard is that a coworker who lives in the same city told me this in our meeting today, it ended with him giving her a piggyback ride but they seemed to walk home. I was told that even then, she seemed to be grinding on his back and had her arms around her neck.

I am going to dig more into this and get to the bottom of it. I might have some really tough decisions to make.

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posted February 26, 2021 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh wow that’s weird lol. Definitely try confirm it forsure first if you can, before you make any decisions, because it very well could just be a rumour and not true. People might have seen or heard about their tension and so are now stirring the pot or assuming or wanting to start drama etc.
Honestly I’d be very surprised if it were true, all the behavior you stated is not how normal adult people act when they like someone 😂. I’ve never trash talked my crushes for hours or act cold towards them 🤷‍♀️.

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posted February 26, 2021 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TBH, I have seen it quite often and even been on the end of it myself. The friction and tension creates a sort of passion between people, some call it a "hate **** ". Even if it is not emotionally kind, it is one hell of an arousing experience. If anything, I notice a lot of women going for men who arouse those provocative emotions in them.

Some even say that behind passionate hatred is a secret love and liking, or else it would just be disregard.

I notice women disregard and ignore men they are not into. Such men do not arouse any sort of emotions in them at all.

Then in synastry with trines and overrated aspects like Sun conjunct Moon, it is really just friends type of scenarios if anything.

Meanwhile I notice that with "incompatible" aspects, there are a lot of wild one night stands and passionate feelings that happen.

BTW, got some secret pics a teammate took, they were definitely out together.

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posted March 04, 2021 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I have more of an update on the situation, they are getting very comfortable with each other on a physical level now. The guy is not aware of me being aware of this and I don't think she is either. What I find odd is that both take days off at the same time and that had me confused.

Come to find that a coworker who lives near the guy reported that she was making out with him and dressed in very skimpy outfit while doing so near his place, they went into the same room together.

I must have missed something in reading this chart because for the life of me, I could not have imagined it to be this intense.

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