posted March 11, 2021 05:39 PM            

I just thought that it might be helpful for members that don't get along with each other to come here and analyse their synastry together. It may not only increase our understanding of each other, as well as our understanding of astrology, but it may be a good way to transform a negative experience into a positive one. We could all learn something from our frictions, about ourselves and each other, and keeping it about astrology could help navigate the emotions somewhat.

I think it would only work if both parties are in agreement, otherwise it could make relations more negative if one person is like "It's all your fault because of your Saturn conjunct Mars squaring my Moon!

What does everyone think? Does anyone want to give it a whirl?

posted March 12, 2021 02:30 AM            

That might minimise the risk of any party feeling that his/her chart/behavioural traits are being used as a weapon to attack them, rather than a mechanism for increasing self-awareness.

[Alternatively, the forum chart could be posted on the opening thread here ... and progressions + transits to it analysed as/when significant disputes arise on the forum.

Either way, my guess is that negative interactions on the forum will register in the progressions and transits to it's natal chart during the period involved.]

For example ... here is an extract from the composite chart of myself and the LL forum :-

Sun-Venus conjunct in Scorpio/1st ... a person who values/advocates in-depth psychological analysis by self and others : Moon-Uranus conjunct in Aries/6th ... fearless/naive/instinctive/unquestioned use of astrology to probe subconscious issues : Jupiter in Pisces/5th ... A humanitarian forum that values compassion "as dearly as if it was an only child".

So ... it is not hard to see how I might evoke a negative interaction on the forum whilst transit Neptune is conjunct the Jupiter in this composite chart. ... Or how its roots were planted by me when transit Neptune was at 18Pisces14, and activating the Sun in this composite chart.

However ... what cannot be seen there is the damage done to my natal Venus (at 22Libra44) by non-objective accusations (from moderators) during the incident of being a troll and sociopath, with a Messiah complex.

posted March 13, 2021 07:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
Perhaps the parties involved in a dispute could each do a synastry comparison of their own chart to that of the LL Forum, and mindfully consider how progressions and transits to the two charts might have created the event/dispute.

That might minimise the risk of any party feeling that his/her chart/behavioural traits are being used as a weapon to attack them, rather than a mechanism for increasing self-awareness.

[Alternatively, the forum chart could be posted on the opening thread here ... and progressions + transits to it analysed as/when significant disputes arise on the forum.

Either way, my guess is that negative interactions on the forum will register in the progressions and transits to it's natal chart during the period involved.]

For example ... here is an extract from the composite chart of myself and the LL forum :-

Sun-Venus conjunct in Scorpio/1st ... a person who values/advocates in-depth psychological analysis by self and others : Moon-Uranus conjunct in Aries/6th ... fearless/[b]naive/instinctive/unquestioned use of astrology to probe subconscious issues : Jupiter in Pisces/5th ... A humanitarian forum that values compassion "as dearly as if it was an only child".

So ... it is not hard to see how I might evoke a negative interaction on the forum whilst transit Neptune is conjunct the Jupiter in this composite chart. ... Or how its roots were planted by me when transit Neptune was at 18Pisces14, and activating the Sun in this composite chart.

However ... what cannot be seen there is the damage done to my natal Venus (at 22Libra44) by non-objective accusations (from moderators) during the incident of being a troll and sociopath, with a Messiah complex.

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Yes, that is a good point Graham. Frictions could also be about energies affecting the forum as a whole by transit/progression and how this interacts with the member natal charts involved. And this would indeed help avoid blaming a natal configuration for the event, although I don't think we should discount direct synastry between members or individual astrology being triggered by another's astrology, as this is good material to learn from also. But yes, people need to be in a cool, open-to-learning and looking at themselves mindset for this to work, I think.

That's a very personal and emotional configuration (Sun/Venus/water/1stH) in your composite with LL, but one which generates lessons and creative ways of expanding the perception (Jupiter/5thH).

I wonder if the damage to your natal Venus is through direct synastry with the members involved? I know we butted heads somewhat, but your Venus hangs out in the middle of my 1st house Libra cluster (reluctant to continue calling it a 'stellium' as it's 3 planets plus ASC). In saying that though, our Venuses are squared, so perhaps that is where any bumps may come from. I have 3H Venus @23.22 Cap.

posted March 13, 2021 07:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
Adding to my last post, and in the same vein ... I believe that we can learn a lot about ourself by monitoring our own comments to others on the forum - because (imo) the subconscious uses that as a mechanism for bringing things up which now require our conscious attention.

For example ... on the Personal Readings board today, I wrote (as a question for another member) "what, for you, is the connection between acting with compassion for another yet still being tough-minded enough to tackle any-and-all organisational problems which he/she is causing?" ... And, from past experience, I know that question was/is also being asked of me (by my subconscious mind) - although I now have a strong urge to replace "tough-minded" with "uncompromising".

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Yes, I totally agree. Internal questions have a way of making themselves external. Either through something happening directly to us, or trying to help someone else with the same question we ask ourselves. It's like a feedback loop.

posted March 13, 2021 10:53 AM            

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I wonder if the damage to your natal Venus is through direct synastry with the members involved? I know we butted heads somewhat, but your Venus hangs out in the middle of my 1st house Libra cluster (reluctant to continue calling it a 'stellium' as it's 3 planets plus ASC). In saying that though, our Venuses are squared, so perhaps that is where any bumps may come from. I have 3H Venus @23.22 Cap.

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However, because your natal Venus is in my natal 4th house (of psychological foundations) you are able to see (but not necessarily agree with) "where I have been coming from" throughout those interactions. ... And my guess is that house placements will be a significant factor in these synastry comparisons.

posted March 13, 2021 11:05 AM            

Pluto, the co-ruler of my chart, has been aspecting it since it entered cap, in 2008. Sextile Uranus/ascendant, sextile mars in Pisces, then Uranus-Pluto hitting all of my cardinal. Patience isn’t as strong as it used to be, understanding is still there, but I’m very, very tired of it all, you know?

posted March 14, 2021 03:09 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I’m sorry that’s so big. I’m not on my computer, so I can’t resize it.

It’s very much a feeling of “I’ve been sh*t on for the last time” feeling, and it really bothers me now, when people can’t apologize - can’t even admit to being wrong in the slightest way. I’ve always been the one to apologize, to see my own faults, or to blame myself even when something wasn’t my fault, and I don’t do that anymore.

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The LL forum's natal Saturn (retrograde) is at 28Taurus47, and makes a Grand Trine with natal Mars at (anaretic degree) 29Virgo42 and Moon+Neptune at 03AquariusXX. ... That complacent Grand Trine has Moon/Neptune in 2nd house of personal values, Saturn in 6th house of everyday activities and Mars in 10th house of status/reputation. ... Moreover, Mars is the highest/"most noticed" planet in the forum chart - making its anaretic degree lesson highly visible to any member with a natal planet aspecting it.

Your natal chart has Moon+Venus conjunct the forum's natal Saturn ... from where it sees the Mars anaretic degree issue of the forum, but will be prevented from expressing it by Saturn (the forum authorities) IF it makes the latter uncomfortable or/and disturbs the complacency of the Grand Trine.

posted March 14, 2021 06:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:

I do not have your chart in my computer files, Voix. But, at 23Cap22, your 3rd house Venus falls in my natal 4th house and does indeed square my 1st house Venus at 22Libra44. ... And that synastry aspect has been activated during the current transit of Neptune over those degrees of Pisces - and by the series of New Moons which began with the 14th December 2020 eclipse at 23Sag09. ... So, astrologically, that is why you have also been involved in my recent negative interactions with forum moderators.

However, because your natal Venus is in my natal 4th house (of psychological foundations) you are able to see (but not necessarily agree with) "where I have been coming from" throughout those interactions. ... And my guess is that house placements will be a significant factor in these synastry comparisons.

Significantly though, this is the degree of the January 2021 Jupiter-Saturn conjunction in Capricorn (which trines the forum MC at 24Virgo28). ... So, the currently active series of solar eclipses (with its 13th March 2021 New Moon in 23PiscesXX) is impelling the forum to learn from this, rather than only the members that have been directly involved.

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This all makes so much sense Graham. I really did understand where you were coming from (and Dumuzi), and I have felt the way you both did at times too. If you want to give me your birth details I can post the synastry chart, or I can give you mine? Whatever is easier.

Oh, My Moon conjuncts LL's MC then. I really need to check my synastry with LL chart properly. I think I had a cursory look before, but not closely enough.

Another thing we could maybe do is do a synastry between two members' composite and the LL birth chart - this could show how the forum interacts with the dynamic between two people - do you think that would yield any info? Maybe only conjunctions would be helpful, as they would be activating the midpoints between the natals?

RE the forum learning, I did feel I learned something as a moderator and as a member through recent experiences. I can't speak for anyone else, but the moderation team has certainly changed, perhaps to herald in a new team and new energy. We will just have to wait and see. I wished I could have been a more active moderator (time issues), but my style doesn't appear to be what the forum needs. Perhaps other moderators have come to the same conclusion. I really do wish there had been a place for moderators to have discussions about the best way to handle situations, group think would have helped me do a better job I think. Sometimes it seems crystal clear what the appropriate action would be, but other times it is not so clear and discussing it would have been helpful.

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I just done a search for the LL chart and I can't find it. I know Randall put it in a thread somewhere, but I've no idea where. EDIT: found them.

posted March 14, 2021 06:17 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I’m sorry that’s so big. I’m not on my computer, so I can’t resize it.

It’s very much a feeling of “I’ve been sh*t on for the last time” feeling, and it really bothers me now, when people can’t apologize - can’t even admit to being wrong in the slightest way. I’ve always been the one to apologize, to see my own faults, or to blame myself even when something wasn’t my fault, and I don’t do that anymore.

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I have noticed you get challenged and shut down a lot in GU Teasel, but I suppose anyone who speaks out against any side in that forum gets shut down by the other side. It really is a forum of two camps.

Bearing in mind what Graham responded about your configuration with LL BC, do you feel unheard or shut down by authority in other forums too?

We must have a configuration which gets around this one you have with LL's Saturn/authorities, because you've never made me feel the need to be authorative. Although Saturn would rule politics wouldn't it? And I guess, even though I don't appear to engage with politics as much as you do, and I don't really think about left/right, we seem to have similar leanings on some things. So maybe that's why we haven't clashed in GU.

posted March 14, 2021 06:59 AM            

November 3, 2000 9:27 am Columbus, GA

Right gonna do my synastry with LL

posted March 14, 2021 07:09 AM            

I'll need to think on the other connections, but those jumped out right away. Been wondering about my attachment to LL, it's just always felt like it went deeper than the obvious.

ETA: @Graham, I also have a grand trine with LL's Saturn like Teasel, but it involves my Merc/IC - LL's Nep/Moon/Vesta, and my Moon - LL's Mars/MC. I'll have to think on this, it seems complicated, but what is jumping out at me is the lower conjunctions activating LL's 2H (values), and my 3H (communications) and 4H (foundations).

Synastry:

posted March 14, 2021 07:49 AM            

@Graham and Teasel
How would you guys interpret that composite 1H Moon at 29'Scorpio?

ETA: just noticed, it's in a t-square with Jupiter/MC and Chiron/IC

ETA: and tMars would have created a t-square with cJupiter/MC and cChiron/IC not that long ago (edging out of orb now @5'Gem) - would this have created a grand cross roughly a few weeks ago?

posted March 14, 2021 01:04 PM            

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If you want to give me your birth details I can post the synastry chart, or I can give you mine?

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Our synastry chart is posted below (you on inside) :-

posted March 14, 2021 03:03 PM            

Well, that's good then, thank you for posting the synastry. I kinda struggled to read it without the lines (amateur here), but didn't see anything horrendous either. So I guess we are just fine then. I see you did your birth details sorcery that I saw you discuss in another thread

I've experienced Mars/Neptune before, and yes, I did feel that Mars was overly harsh at times, and Mars thought I was a pansy

How are you feeling about everything Graham, are you OK?

posted March 15, 2021 02:13 AM            

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How are you feeling about everything Graham, are you OK?

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And ... when reflecting upon your above question ... I realised my anger revolves around the feeling of an attack on my psyche having been dismissed (by the forum authorities) as "his own fault, for insisting on being provocative/'himself'".

I (my psyche) is seeing that as similar to (but obviously not the same as) a female being assaulted in public and the police dismissing the incident as "her own fault for dressing provocatively, and walking down macho-man street". ... Hence, my anger is with the handling of the incident by the forum authorities, rather than with the assailant (whom I am now seeing as being "unable to interact with me in any other way"). ... However, because the assailant is a moderator/forum authority, I see him as also being "guilty" of handling this incident badly/inappropriately/wrongly.
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That reflection naturally resulted in me checking out the meaning of asteroid Psyche (number 16); its location in my natal chart (13Sag02, in 3rd) and its aspects to the forum natal chart.

The Forum natal chart has Pluto-conjunct-Chiron in Sag/1st (on Ascendant, and with a midpoint of 14Sag27). It also has a 6th house retrograde Saturn at 28Taurus46 - making a 165/"obsession" degree aspect to anything within orb of 13Sag46 and 13Scorpio46 ... which includes both my natal Psyche and the Forum's natal Chiron-Pluto midpoint.

Moreover, the forum also has natal Sun at 11Scorpio29 ... semi-sextile to natal Pluto at 11Sag35 ... and forming a poleaxe configuration with natal Saturn (and anything else which is within-orb of 26Taurus35). ... This poleaxe figure is a clear indicator of an ingrained-and-inherent problem (specifically) within the forum itself, rather than a problem (generally) with the behaviour of its individual members. ... However, any member whose natal charts contain planets/angles/astrologically-sensitive-points that aspect the forum's natal Saturn, Chiron or Pluto is likely to feel/be "poleaxed" by the forum whenever those aspects are activated by negative progressions/transits/synastry-contacts-with-another-member. ... http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/241788.html

"Psyche's themes in asteroid astrology include psychic sensitivity, the capacity for psychic sensitivity, CAPACITY TO UNDERSTAND AND CARE FOR OTHERS, transformation of the soul through ... romantic love, self-transformation, self-awareness, the search to know ourselves, the unconscious self, transformation/growth through loss, learning, the pursuit of real/honest/conscious love, the search for a divine love."

posted March 15, 2021 10:37 AM            

Sorry you are not quite feeling OK yet, but hopefully your laser-focus psychological analysis will get you there (sounds like it is already).

It IS more difficult to reconcile differences when the disagreement is with an authority. It can feel threatening because they have power, which if you already feel dismissed by them, can lead to feeling that they may (or have) abused that power. I have been in a position of authority (in the workplace), and it can take a while to realise that your impact is much greater simply by default of your position, and prior to you even saying anything. So you need to be more careful than before you moved up that rung, as your position itself can intimidate. Add to that you putting your foot down harshly and the impact on others can be far greater than if you were peers.

Some thoughts to take or leave on Psyche:
I have a gut feeling (which could be totally wrong), but with your asteroid Psyche being involved in this configuration with LL' BC it's made me think of Psyche's Plutonian nature (at least I feel she is this way - could be wrong). I think when expressing our Psyche, there is a merging with others/phenomena. I think that Psyche tries to help through literally putting on another's experience, like you would put on a suit. This is fantastic for really getting a feel for another's experience, however it also deeply personalises that experience as well as the other person's response. You can soak up their feelings for good or ill. And if caught unawares by this, can be triggered into a really strong response without a full logical understanding of what happened - it is all impressions or feelings.

The transformational aspect of Psyche is also pertinent, the owner of the Psyche can be transformed through trying to transform someone else, which makes the whole process way more significant and difficult to withdraw from. It's like "I can see you are struggling with something. If I can help you with this struggle, then we will both be transformed".

What do you think, does that make any sense? I am musing, rather than telling btw. I'm no expert.

P.S. Epiphanies are wonderful! I need more epiphanies in my life, but I think recently I have not been as open to receiving those epiphanies which come with pain. So I've probably missed a few opportunities. But I am working on it.

posted March 15, 2021 11:16 AM            

My Psyche squares LL's Venus/Pluto/Chiron. So I may create tension and even pain to members through over-personalising my interactions in my efforts to achieve transformation (of self/others/forum). I need to watch this.

posted March 16, 2021 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
@Graham

Sorry you are not quite feeling OK yet, but hopefully your laser-focus psychological analysis will get you there (sounds like it is already).

It IS more difficult to reconcile differences when the disagreement is with an authority. It can feel threatening because they have power, which if you already feel dismissed by them, can lead to feeling that they may (or have) abused that power. I have been in a position of authority (in the workplace), and it can take a while to realise that your impact is much greater simply by default of your position, and prior to you even saying anything. So you need to be more careful than before you moved up that rung, as your position itself can intimidate. Add to that you putting your foot down harshly and the impact on others can be far greater than if you were peers.

Some thoughts to take or leave on Psyche:
I have a gut feeling (which could be totally wrong), but with your asteroid Psyche being involved in this configuration with LL' BC it's made me think of Psyche's Plutonian nature (at least I feel she is this way - could be wrong). I think when expressing our Psyche, there is a merging with others/phenomena. I think that Psyche tries to help through literally putting on another's experience, like you would put on a suit. This is fantastic for really getting a feel for another's experience, however it also deeply personalises that experience as well as the other person's response. You can soak up their feelings for good or ill. And if caught unawares by this, can be triggered into a really strong response without a full logical understanding of what happened - it is all impressions or feelings.

The transformational aspect of Psyche is also pertinent, the owner of the Psyche can be transformed through trying to transform someone else, which makes the whole process way more significant and difficult to withdraw from. It's like "I can see you are struggling with something. If I can help you with this struggle, then we will both be transformed".

What do you think, does that make any sense? I am musing, rather than telling btw. I'm no expert.

P.S. Epiphanies are wonderful! I need more epiphanies in my life, but I think recently I have not been as open to receiving those epiphanies which come with pain. So I've probably missed a few opportunities. But I am working on it.

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I have been surprised by the extent to which I feel "violated" by the verbal assault on my psyche ... but suspect that this current trauma was/is a (Neptune transit) mechanism for bring to the surface (my conscious mind) a childhood trauma which has been suppressed. ... Hence, my emotional pain is easing now and I have accepted that there is no point in trying to get anyone other than myself to reflect upon this opportunity to learn something of value.

So ... now I am awaiting the surfacing of that suppressed childhood trauma/memory. ... And, at the moment, this appears to be my mother (whilst in a rage) warning me at the age of 7/8 that "if you do not learn to control your emotions, ......"

posted March 16, 2021 04:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Eternal Energy:
Dear Graham, this incident has not come to ″teach″ you some lesson or torture your gentle heart in some way. On the contrary, it has come to help you. It has come as an opportunity to help you release yourself from this trauma you mention. I was about to write this to you, but you already know where this comes from. Don't take it for granted, this is very good. You know who and what you are dealing with.The timing of your opportunity doesn't mean that it has to be the same with that of the other people involved in this incident. What is good for you is to focus on yourself and how you want to live your life. That is what you should be doing now...

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posted March 17, 2021 07:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Eternal Energy:
Did you see the song I posted on 7th March in Teen Spirit? It is for you and AG...

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I had not seen it, but have now. ... Thank you for the message, and reminding me that the end of the Beatles was just a new beginning for each of the four mop tops, EE.

Over on the SWITR board, I've just posted the following (on the sociopath thread), which I suspect relates to the childhood trauma that my interaction with AG is releasing :

AG is not the dentist who abused me at the age of 8, after anaesthetising me with gas ... Ami Anne is not the dental nurse that participated with him in doing so ... and Randall is not the mother who refused to pursue my story because "it will cause problems for the family".