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ARB1997
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posted March 25, 2021 03:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ARB1997     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have found out the birth time of the guy that I was having trouble with a while ago (We seem to be doing better now) and would love some insight based on the house placements/aspects Thank you so much!!

Composite (Placidus):

https://ibb.co/M5k1bLp

Composite (Whole Sign):

https://ibb.co/hHHrct0

I was unsure which house system to use for composites or which ones you all use so I added both Also since he has exact saturn-chiron opposition in his natal, is that easier for him to deal with in this dynamic? Thank you!

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posted March 25, 2021 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Post the Synastry too!

The love stellium in the composite is a great foundation for any healthy relationship, shows a lot of compatibility and affection etc.
But Venus and sun is square Uranus.. with no Saturn aspects to compensate or offset this....this means the relationship is always going to have an element of instability, on and off, break ups then getting back together, hot and cold, closeness then distance etc. So it’s really not a good sign of a long term connection, BUT not impossible. Just depends if you’re ok with a connection like that, if you can both handle it emotionally (check the Natals if either of you have Venus/Uranus , moon/Uranus hard aspects, or Uranus/Aquarius 7th house or 7th ruler etc.)
The coolness of Uranus in this connection is only being father exacerbated by moon being isolated and only making a single hard aspect of moon square Saturn. There is a lot of emotional distance and blockages here, so basically a lack of real intimacy and vulnerability and opening up between you two. One or both of you will always struggle with having your guard or walls up (Saturn). Moon is also square Chiron.., so I think the woman has the potential to get really hurt in this connection, probably because of the emotional distance between you, and the frustration (Saturn) that will cause, this moon configuration screams starved for emotional intimacy, and this is usually more of an issue for woman and something woman crave and need in a relationship more so than most men (oxytocin (the hormone responsible for emotional connection) binds with estrogen aka women lol). So you’re going to notice it and feel the void sooner or more intensely than him.
Venus is also square Neptune, so make sure you are seeing this connection realistically for what it is really is and not what you wish or want it to be, shattered illusions/disappointments or being gullible/naive and taken advantage of is common with this aspect, especially in regards to the women.

Overall, I don’t think this is a good healthy relationship for you and advise you to heed the red flags and warning signs. You said you were having problems but things are better now (up and down ; Uranus!) but this is always going to be the theme of your relationship, is that what you want? This is why Venus is square Neptune (disappointment) you’ll think things are going to stay good and be hoping for that, but something will always happen to shake things up (Uranus) and this is going to cause you a lot of pain and frustration (moon/Saturn/chiron t square). Run.

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posted March 25, 2021 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ARB1997     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Synastry(He is the outside, chart and aspect table):

https://ibb.co/PWb15dy

https://ibb.co/1J72PvR

Natal:

HIS-

https://ibb.co/FV4GtPc

MINE-

https://ibb.co/601v1hs

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posted March 25, 2021 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ARB1997     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Post the Synastry too!

The love stellium in the composite is a great foundation for any healthy relationship, shows a lot of compatibility and affection etc.
But Venus and sun is square Uranus.. with no Saturn aspects to compensate or offset this....this means the relationship is always going to have an element of instability, on and off, break ups then getting back together, hot and cold, closeness then distance etc. So it’s really not a good sign of a long term connection, BUT not impossible. Just depends if you’re ok with a connection like that, if you can both handle it emotionally (check the Natals if either of you have Venus/Uranus , moon/Uranus hard aspects, or Uranus/Aquarius 7th house or 7th ruler etc.)
The coolness of Uranus in this connection is only being father exacerbated by moon being isolated and only making a single hard aspect of moon square Saturn. There is a lot of emotional distance and blockages here, so basically a lack of real intimacy and vulnerability and opening up between you two. One or both of you will always struggle with having your guard or walls up (Saturn). Moon is also square Chiron.., so I think the woman has the potential to get really hurt in this connection, probably because of the emotional distance between you, and the frustration (Saturn) that will cause, this moon configuration screams starved for emotional intimacy, and this is usually more of an issue for woman and something woman crave and need in a relationship more so than most men (oxytocin (the hormone responsible for emotional connection) binds with estrogen aka women lol). So you’re going to notice it and feel the void sooner or more intensely than him.
Venus is also square Neptune, so make sure you are seeing this connection realistically for what it is really is and not what you wish or want it to be, shattered illusions/disappointments or being gullible/naive and taken advantage of is common with this aspect, especially in regards to the women.

Overall, I don’t think this is a good healthy relationship for you and advise you to heed the red flags and warning signs. You said you were having problems but things are better now (up and down ; Uranus!) but this is always going to be the theme of your relationship, is that what you want? This is why Venus is square Neptune (disappointment) you’ll think things are going to stay good and be hoping for that, but something will always happen to shake things up (Uranus) and this is going to cause you a lot of pain and frustration (moon/Saturn/chiron t square). Run.


Thank you so much Luna! I appreciate you taking the time to look at the chart!

Your last paragraph resonated a lot, that is honestly exactly how this relationship is going.

What I don't understand is why I cannot seem to let go, despite knowing what the astrology says. I am not a weak woman by any means but just with this relationship I just want to make it work so badly. In all honesty, I have never been into astrology as much as I am right now and I feel like it is because I want to understand this relationship.

I have Uranus/Moon&Sun opposition in my natal and he has Uranus/Moon square in his. We both also have Saturn and Chiron opposite natally. His 7th house is in Aquarius, but I cannot tell if he is more of a Uranus type of guy or Saturn.. he does have a lot of planets in Capricorn!

Thank you so much for your help.. I am still learning a lot about how to piece things together in astrology!

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posted March 25, 2021 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astrology is such an invaluable tool!
My first relationship was a lot like this one! (Sun conjunct Uranus, mars opp Saturn, moon conjunct Chiron). It was very on and off and unstable and caused me a lot of pain (moon conjunct Chiron). This was 6 years ago, and I wasn’t as good at reading charts back then as I am now, but I still knew about astrology and that our composite wasn’t the best, but our synastry was so strong in terms of feelings and attraction that I listened to my heart instead of my head. Big mistake lol, even tho I knew our charts issues and tried to fix or remedy it, the astrology won out in the end regardless of our efforts. So I know firsthand that the charts are inevitable, its fate, I see and hear about it time and again. I wish I would have had me now tell me what she seen in the charts back then, so that’s why I try be blunt with people and tell them what I honestly see, to help them and maybe save them hurt or wasted time and energy etc. No point in giving false hope or trying if the charts are doomed. Unfortunately that’s what I’m seeing with this one.
Of course you have free will (we all do), so you can still continue it and try and see what happens etc. if that’s what you decide. But at least if you do, you have the knowledge of the charts and can make an INFORMED decision being aware of the cons and risks etc.
Remember not to be so hard on yourself either! You’re only human and we are emotional creatures. I fully understand having a hard time letting go even when you know someone isn’t good for you (I was in that boat too for 4 years a couple years ago!), it doesn’t make you stupid or weak. It just means you are capable of love or have feelings
I can assure you though, you are strong enough to let go and move on and the sadness or missing them doesn’t last forever once you do decide to cut the cord or end the connection, so don’t let the fear of how you’ll feel AFTER stop you from making the choice.
And honestly you could find somehow you could have a more stable, secure, happy and fulfilling relationship with, so don’t think you won’t find anyone else or something better either.

Can you repost the Synastry using placidus house system please? nothing wrong with other house systems, it’s just my preferred method and what I’m comfortable and have accurate experience with. Im not too familiar with the other ones so I wouldn’t feel confident giving an analysis without placidus lol

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posted March 25, 2021 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ARB1997     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Synastry... Placidus

https://ibb.co/7nhgVFf

I am on the inside!

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posted March 25, 2021 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ARB1997     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Astrology is such an invaluable tool!
My first relationship was a lot like this one! (Sun conjunct Uranus, mars opp Saturn, moon conjunct Chiron). It was very on and off and unstable and caused me a lot of pain (moon conjunct Chiron). This was 6 years ago, and I wasn’t as good at reading charts back then as I am now, but I still knew about astrology and that our composite wasn’t the best, but our synastry was so strong in terms of feelings and attraction that I listened to my heart instead of my head. Big mistake lol, even tho I knew our charts issues and tried to fix or remedy it, the astrology won out in the end regardless of our efforts. So I know firsthand that the charts are inevitable, its fate, I see and hear about it time and again. I wish I would have had me now tell me what she seen in the charts back then, so that’s why I try be blunt with people and tell them what I honestly see, to help them and maybe save them hurt or wasted time and energy etc. No point in giving false hope or trying if the charts are doomed. Unfortunately that’s what I’m seeing with this one.
Of course you have free will (we all do), so you can still continue it and try and see what happens etc. if that’s what you decide. But at least if you do, you have the knowledge of the charts and can make an INFORMED decision being aware of the cons and risks etc.
Remember not to be so hard on yourself either! You’re only human and we are emotional creatures. I fully understand having a hard time letting go even when you know someone isn’t good for you (I was in that boat too for 4 years a couple years ago!), it doesn’t make you stupid or weak. It just means you are capable of love or have feelings
I can assure you though, you are strong enough to let go and move on and the sadness or missing them doesn’t last forever once you do decide to cut the cord or end the connection, so don’t let the fear of how you’ll feel AFTER stop you from making the choice.
And honestly you could find somehow you could have a more stable, secure, happy and fulfilling relationship with, so don’t think you won’t find anyone else or something better either.

Can you repost the Synastry using placidus house system please? nothing wrong with other house systems, it’s just my preferred method and what I’m comfortable and have accurate experience with. Im not too familiar with the other ones so I wouldn’t feel confident giving an analysis without placidus lol


I completely agree! Astrology is big in my religion too, I am Hindu, but I always relate to tropical more than sidereal, maybe because I was raised in North America. Anyways i digress..

Im sorry you had to go through a painful relationship as well, I guess you live and you learn though! Hope things are much better for you now!! Yes I completely understand, I definitely am listening to my heart more than my head. I wish I could stop and think more rationally but seems like maybe experiencing this relationship for a while despite its painful aspects is part of my karma.

I have not checked my composite/synastry with my ex of 5 years, but it felt way more painful than this one. My ex was so emotionally involved and seemed very very - over the top loving but turns out he was cheating on me heavily, and we had a horrible sex life too and the communication could have been better. So that was definitely painful. With this relationship, it feels like the guy is loyal but very very emotionally unavailable and that is painful, but we have great sex and communication.

Perhaps experiencing these 2 diff kinds of relationships is a lesson. Just sucks that it feels like I'm going to be deeply hurt twice in a row.. I do have natal in chiron in Libra but still sucks.

I really appreciate your bluntness though

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posted March 25, 2021 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yup, I checked the synasty and not surprisingly the themes I noticed in the composite are in the Synastry too (composite is just an extension of the Synastry, so it will always correlate/reinforce or verify the themes you picked up in the composite, and if it doesn’t, that’s a good indicator you read one of the charts wrong (just a tip for any beginners out there ).

-Your Saturn tightly conjunct his moon;
He feels like he can’t open up or be vulnerable with you since it’s your Saturn. This is why he’s so emotionally closed off and reserved. Synastry is like transits, so when he’s around you it’s like he has a natal Saturn conjunct moon. Saturn is uncomfortable with feelings and likes to keep things tightly under wraps.
You Saturn is also square his sun! So yes he’s experiencing you as highly Saturnian energy, even if he doesn’t admit it, you make him feel very insecure and restricted (Saturn) since your Saturn is hitting the two main core planets of who he is in hard aspect (his sun and moon).
It doesn’t help he already is so Saturnian with his Capricorn stelllum, he’s already a reserved guy and not the most emotional or expressive so you adding even MORE of a Saturn influence to his personality is only exacerbating these tendencies in him!
-His Chiron conjunct your sun AND moon! (Oof, there’s that hurt!). HIS Saturn is also opposite your sun and moon. So a mutual (double whammy) hard moon-Saturn aspect in Synastry, which carried over into a moon square Saturn aspect in the composite (mutual aspects in Synastry will also manifest as an aspect in the composite too, and when this happens it’s always an extremely important and strong theme of the connection). This is why you two struggle with connecting emotionally! Damn Saturn doing his thing 🥴🙃; barriers, blockages, obstacles, distance, awkwardness, fear, insecurity, frustration etc. all of this energy on both your moons therefore you can’t open up to each other and don’t feel that emotional bonding or intimacy.

The good aspects here though are his Jupiter on your mercury and Venus; this is what is accounting for the good communication (mercury-Jupiter) and laughs and fun times together (Venus-Jupiter).
I also really like your sun and moon being in the sand sign as his ASC, it’s not conjunct by orb but it doesn’t matter, you’re still getting that sign resonance, so you two have a lot in common (Leo) and it’s a good compatibly aspect!

He really does like you and is attracted to you though!
His Venus and 5th house cusp is saggy; you’re saggy rising. His 5th ruler Jupiter in Virgo is conjunct your Venus/mercury. His 7th house cusp is Aquarius and your ASC ruler Jupiter is in Aquarius conjunct his dsc..
What’s interesting is that it looks like he’s way more into you than vice versa, he actually doesn’t match your love houses at all. I’m assuming he is the one who pursued and showed interest in you first?
Your 7th ruler is Gemini, ruler in Virgo conjunct Venus 9th house.... 5th cusp in Taurus (I actually think it’s Aries tho and your birthtime is a few minutes later than what it really is such is extremely common!) this would make a lot more sense for you to have an Aries cusp 5th house since he’s an Aries moon. But then your asc would change. You should see if saggy or Scorpio rising resonates with you more.

Overall, since even if you were born a few minutes earlier and are a Scorpio rising, he still doent even really do it for you! He has no strong Gemini. Taurus, Virgo or cancer energy. He might only just have the Aries if the really is your 5th cusp.
You could DEFINITELY find someone better and that you have way more feelings for and are more passionate about. Just wait you meet someone who has planets in your 5th, 7th and 8th lol

If you want, you can post the charts with your ex too and we can see if we can spot anything interesting in those, might help you understand more about what to watch out for in the future and some things you don’t wanna see again pop up in the charts lol

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posted March 25, 2021 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Btw; my girl Stoika is AMAZING at her craft and so is Todd! They are midpoint and composite masters and also have an excellent knowledge of asteroids that I haven’t mastered yet, tho I learn a lot from them! ❤️
I’m sure they can give you an extra layer of info that I can’t with their use of midpoints and asteroids etc.
So you could try bumping later again too and hopefully they will notice and chime in 😁

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posted March 25, 2021 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi ARB1997,

the Venus/Mars midpoint is conjunct North Node, this is usually a great aspect for romance and long term. Also, Jupiter is conjunct Mars and trine MC, this also usually suggests a strong union and being on the same page and have same plans, expectations. As Lunal has noticed, Uranus square Venus is unstable trait and usually points to short affair and ups and downs, even so along those other aspects, I would think it would point more to exicting and passionate chemistry, with Neptune involved there's a bit of fairy tale in it... The Saturn/Moon midpoint is opposite Sun/Venus, so I think that there's actually a common intention to make this become more stable, even so Juno/South Node may give also a short lived trait, even though with "magic" feelings... I think that there may be an issue of individual freedom in the relationship, as both you or maybe more from his part there's need for independence from the relationship or willing to keep some of your individual spaces separated from the relationship, this may be an issue unless this is being respected by the other, otherwise there may be boredom and detachment... Saturn in the 5th house suggests that a too serious tone of committment can be draining... in fact it is opposite to Chiron in 11th house, and square Moon... This t-square is usually a stressful aspect, especially with Psyche conjunct Chiron... if the relationship is too unsocial, some toxic dynamics may surface and the emotional side may be damaged. Transiting Nodes went just square to the Chiron/Saturn opposition, so if there are no current issues, maybe there was some kind of healing or resolution of past issues between you.
Transiting Jupiter went square to the Nodes not so long ago, so this is likely when you re-connected and managed to solve past issues.

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posted March 26, 2021 02:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ToughPrincessa1997     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:

The coolness of Uranus in this connection is only being father exacerbated by moon being isolated and only making a single hard aspect of moon square Saturn. There is a lot of emotional distance and blockages here, so basically a lack of real intimacy and vulnerability and opening up between you two. One or both of you will always struggle with having your guard or walls up (Saturn). Moon is also square Chiron.., so I think the woman has the potential to get really hurt in this connection, probably because of the emotional distance between you, and the frustration (Saturn) that will cause, this moon configuration screams starved for emotional intimacy, and this is usually more of an issue for woman and something woman crave and need in a relationship more so than most men (oxytocin (the hormone responsible for emotional connection) binds with estrogen aka women lol). So you’re going to notice it and feel the void sooner or more intensely than him.
Venus is also square Neptune, so make sure you are seeing this connection realistically for what it is really is and not what you wish or want it to be, shattered illusions/disappointments or being gullible/naive and taken advantage of is common with this aspect, especially in regards to the women.



Sorry to intrude this post.
Hello Luna! With regards to your opinion on when the moon does not recieve a lot of aspects, can a strongly aspected venus offset this in a composite? Because in my current 1 year long relationship in the composite the moon only recieves a wide square from mars as the main aspects are concerned (it is semisquare sun and chiron, and biquintile ascendant, quincunx saturn,...), and in davison recieves NO major asoects except moon conjuct ascendant exact. So I find this weird because I am very much in love with my man so wondering maybe heavily aspected venus here counts? Or because moon is unaspected it creates even more power?

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posted March 26, 2021 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
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The coolness of Uranus in this connection is only being father exacerbated by moon being isolated and only making a single hard aspect of moon square Saturn. There is a lot of emotional distance and blockages here, so basically a lack of real intimacy and vulnerability and opening up between you two. One or both of you will always struggle with having your guard or walls up (Saturn). Moon is also square Chiron.., so I think the woman has the potential to get really hurt in this connection, probably because of the emotional distance between you, and the frustration (Saturn) that will cause, this moon configuration screams starved for emotional intimacy, and this is usually more of an issue for woman and something woman crave and need in a relationship more so than most men (oxytocin (the hormone responsible for emotional connection) binds with estrogen aka women lol). So you’re going to notice it and feel the void sooner or more intensely than him.
Venus is also square Neptune, so make sure you are seeing this connection realistically for what it is really is and not what you wish or want it to be, shattered illusions/disappointments or being gullible/naive and taken advantage of is common with this aspect, especially in regards to the women.



Sorry to intrude this post.
Hello Luna! With regards to your opinion on when the moon does not recieve a lot of aspects, can a strongly aspected venus offset this in a composite? Because in my current 1 year long relationship in the composite the moon only recieves a wide square from mars as the main aspects are concerned (it is semisquare sun and chiron, and biquintile ascendant, quincunx saturn,...), and in davison recieves NO major asoects except moon conjuct ascendant exact. So I find this weird because I am very much in love with my man so wondering maybe heavily aspected venus here counts? Or because moon is unaspected it creates even more power?[/B][/QUOTE]

Create a new thread with my name and post the Synastry and composite 😊 I’ll explain over there

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posted March 27, 2021 06:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ToughPrincessa1997     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Create a new thread with my name and post the Synastry and composite 😊 I’ll explain over there

Thank you luna, I already posted the synastry and composite and stoika read it, if you Wonder for your reasearch it is here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/010605.html
Was just wondering about this moon aspects since you mentioned the women will feel a lack of something, yet I still am crazy in love despite lack of aspects.

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posted March 30, 2021 03:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ARB1997     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Yup, I checked the synasty and not surprisingly the themes I noticed in the composite are in the Synastry too (composite is just an extension of the Synastry, so it will always correlate/reinforce or verify the themes you picked up in the composite, and if it doesn’t, that’s a good indicator you read one of the charts wrong (just a tip for any beginners out there ).

-Your Saturn tightly conjunct his moon;
He feels like he can’t open up or be vulnerable with you since it’s your Saturn. This is why he’s so emotionally closed off and reserved. Synastry is like transits, so when he’s around you it’s like he has a natal Saturn conjunct moon. Saturn is uncomfortable with feelings and likes to keep things tightly under wraps.
You Saturn is also square his sun! So yes he’s experiencing you as highly Saturnian energy, even if he doesn’t admit it, you make him feel very insecure and restricted (Saturn) since your Saturn is hitting the two main core planets of who he is in hard aspect (his sun and moon).
It doesn’t help he already is so Saturnian with his Capricorn stelllum, he’s already a reserved guy and not the most emotional or expressive so you adding even MORE of a Saturn influence to his personality is only exacerbating these tendencies in him!
-His Chiron conjunct your sun AND moon! (Oof, there’s that hurt!). HIS Saturn is also opposite your sun and moon. So a mutual (double whammy) hard moon-Saturn aspect in Synastry, which carried over into a moon square Saturn aspect in the composite (mutual aspects in Synastry will also manifest as an aspect in the composite too, and when this happens it’s always an extremely important and strong theme of the connection). This is why you two struggle with connecting emotionally! Damn Saturn doing his thing 🥴🙃; barriers, blockages, obstacles, distance, awkwardness, fear, insecurity, frustration etc. all of this energy on both your moons therefore you can’t open up to each other and don’t feel that emotional bonding or intimacy.

The good aspects here though are his Jupiter on your mercury and Venus; this is what is accounting for the good communication (mercury-Jupiter) and laughs and fun times together (Venus-Jupiter).
I also really like your sun and moon being in the sand sign as his ASC, it’s not conjunct by orb but it doesn’t matter, you’re still getting that sign resonance, so you two have a lot in common (Leo) and it’s a good compatibly aspect!

He really does like you and is attracted to you though!
His Venus and 5th house cusp is saggy; you’re saggy rising. His 5th ruler Jupiter in Virgo is conjunct your Venus/mercury. His 7th house cusp is Aquarius and your ASC ruler Jupiter is in Aquarius conjunct his dsc..
What’s interesting is that it looks like he’s way more into you than vice versa, he actually doesn’t match your love houses at all. I’m assuming he is the one who pursued and showed interest in you first?
Your 7th ruler is Gemini, ruler in Virgo conjunct Venus 9th house.... 5th cusp in Taurus (I actually think it’s Aries tho and your birthtime is a few minutes later than what it really is such is extremely common!) this would make a lot more sense for you to have an Aries cusp 5th house since he’s an Aries moon. But then your asc would change. You should see if saggy or Scorpio rising resonates with you more.

Overall, since even if you were born a few minutes earlier and are a Scorpio rising, he still doent even really do it for you! He has no strong Gemini. Taurus, Virgo or cancer energy. He might only just have the Aries if the really is your 5th cusp.
You could DEFINITELY find someone better and that you have way more feelings for and are more passionate about. Just wait you meet someone who has planets in your 5th, 7th and 8th lol

If you want, you can post the charts with your ex too and we can see if we can spot anything interesting in those, might help you understand more about what to watch out for in the future and some things you don’t wanna see again pop up in the charts lol


Thank you Lunal for such a detailed response, and my apologies for a later resposnse..had a major exam!!

Yes, we are dealing with so much Saturn energy I feel like in this relationship. Do you think my Saturn energy could possibly make him insecure about his own Saturn energy? Like for example, he is hesitant to be in an official relationship because he has been told in the past he is emotionally unavailable and is scared of being selfish once again and ruining things. Because he def sees that I need the emotional availability he seems unable to give. Whenever I feel sad about him not being emotional he also tends to apologize profusely. And do you also think there is so much Saturn because I am 23 and he is 29?

Also with his Chiron on my moon & sun, who hurts who? I heard that it is the planet person who may accidentally hurt the Chiron person, but I feel like I may be the one hurt because I am so emotionally invested! If I am a Scorpio rising ( if my time is off by a few min) then my moon and sun will be in his 12th house, conjunct Chiron... That doesn't sound good at all ugh.

Thank you for also mentioning the good aspects, it really brings the whole picture together
I always thought I was a sag rising because I felt like it represented the transits occurring when I was 5 and moved to a very far country from my birth country! But I may very well be a Scorpio rising perhaps since the times are so close together. If this is true, will be he still be as attracted to me as you mentioned??

Haha he def pursued me first but now I feel like I am putting waaay more effort than he is! I do really like him so I am surprised he hits none of my "love houses"

Yes I will post my exes charts soon!

Thank you so much for your help Lunal! It is much appreciated!!

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Hi ARB1997,

the Venus/Mars midpoint is conjunct North Node, this is usually a great aspect for romance and long term. Also, Jupiter is conjunct Mars and trine MC, this also usually suggests a strong union and being on the same page and have same plans, expectations. As Lunal has noticed, Uranus square Venus is unstable trait and usually points to short affair and ups and downs, even so along those other aspects, I would think it would point more to exicting and passionate chemistry, with Neptune involved there's a bit of fairy tale in it... The Saturn/Moon midpoint is opposite Sun/Venus, so I think that there's actually a common intention to make this become more stable, even so Juno/South Node may give also a short lived trait, even though with "magic" feelings... I think that there may be an issue of individual freedom in the relationship, as both you or maybe more from his part there's need for independence from the relationship or willing to keep some of your individual spaces separated from the relationship, this may be an issue unless this is being respected by the other, otherwise there may be boredom and detachment... Saturn in the 5th house suggests that a too serious tone of committment can be draining... in fact it is opposite to Chiron in 11th house, and square Moon... This t-square is usually a stressful aspect, especially with Psyche conjunct Chiron... if the relationship is too unsocial, some toxic dynamics may surface and the emotional side may be damaged. Transiting Nodes went just square to the Chiron/Saturn opposition, so if there are no current issues, maybe there was some kind of healing or resolution of past issues between you.
Transiting Jupiter went square to the Nodes not so long ago, so this is likely when you re-connected and managed to solve past issues.


Hello Stoika, thank you so much for your insight!

It seems that we have so many aspects that point to " love" or a good relationship but then also at the same time so many aspects that point to short term as well. Does Juno/South node mean we have karma from a previous life relationship?

Yes, I definitely think he needs his space and alone time for sure. He does enjoy his alone time at home, like not only space from me but from his friends too.

I am a little confused by the placement of Chiron. It is placed in the 11th house, I thought this was the house of friendships? I dont see any hurt regarding friendships or social connections yet. infact we have completely different groups of friends, as he is 29 and I am 23. Most of our hurt and the only thing I see as a problem usually is his emotional unavailability. Is there another way I should interpret the 11th house? Can you also explain Saturn in the 5th house a bit more? there is not much info on the composite houses online!

Yes we are definitely healing I feel by talking about past issues... one thing for sure my communication skills is definitely improving through this relationship.

Thank you Stoika!!

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Here’s what I notice in your synastry, hope this helps

Your Vertexes are conjunct each other’s anti-Vertex, I interpret this as possibly meaning your highest, integrated selves may match one another’s ideal partners ... but understandably this can raise feelings of inadequacy or fear of rejection within oneself

His Vertex in Capricorn conjunct your Pallas - maybe he is drawn to Saturnian experiences, & he may be aware at some level you are capable of pointing out/drawing his attention to those ways he is not fulfilling his ideal self - he could vacillate between feeling inspired, that you could be someone to help him, and hopeless, that he can never fulfil that highest version of himself, perhaps because of unprocessed experiences from his past

The synastry T-square between
your Mars/Chiron in Libra
his Sun
his Moon/your Saturn

I would say from this, when you try & resolve things together, drawing attention to the ways your relationship may be unbalanced, he may sometimes be triggered & feel overwhelmed because he may never have felt he could satisfy his mother (I hope this is not too direct but emotional incest I believe is very common & he may have experienced something like this, i believe it is a dynamic that can emerge without any ill intention from avoidant fathers with passive conflict styles and anxious & strong mothers with aggressive or passive-aggressive conflict styles)

I would say a way for both of you to feel safe in your boundaries but also get your relationship needs met, could be to work on recognising the difference between assertive and aggressive/passive/passive-aggressive communication ... for me, assertive communication is tied in with good self esteem & it is a way of being honouring & kind but also honest about how I’m experiencing things

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Originally posted by livvywatermonkey:
Here’s what I notice in your synastry, hope this helps

Your Vertexes are conjunct each other’s anti-Vertex, I interpret this as possibly meaning your highest, integrated selves may match one another’s ideal partners ... but understandably this can raise feelings of inadequacy or fear of rejection within oneself

His Vertex in Capricorn conjunct your Pallas - maybe he is drawn to Saturnian experiences, & he may be aware at some level you are capable of pointing out/drawing his attention to those ways he is not fulfilling his ideal self - he could vacillate between feeling inspired, that you could be someone to help him, and hopeless, that he can never fulfil that highest version of himself, perhaps because of unprocessed experiences from his past

The synastry T-square between
your Mars/Chiron in Libra
his Sun
his Moon/your Saturn

I would say from this, when you try & resolve things together, drawing attention to the ways your relationship may be unbalanced, he may sometimes be triggered & feel overwhelmed because he may never have felt he could satisfy his mother (I hope this is not too direct but emotional incest I believe is very common & he may have experienced something like this, i believe it is a dynamic that can emerge without any ill intention from avoidant fathers with passive conflict styles and anxious & strong mothers with aggressive or passive-aggressive conflict styles)

I would say a way for both of you to feel safe in your boundaries but also get your relationship needs met, could be to work on recognising the difference between assertive and aggressive/passive/passive-aggressive communication ... for me, assertive communication is tied in with good self esteem & it is a way of being honouring & kind but also honest about how I’m experiencing things

Hope this helps


Thank you so much Livvy!

I was just looking up what vertex/anti-vertex means before I saw your response - what a coincidence! I had noticed that my vertex was opposite his, as well as opposite some of his planets, I was thinking maybe that's why I feel much more than he does? I do definitely have a fear of rejection, I just thought that's because of past trauma of being cheated on. I wonder if he has any thoughts like that...

Sorry, what would Pallas represent in synastry?

That is quite interesting because I def can point out the things he needs to work on!! In general, I have always been a "cheerleader" to people and I do that still. Like for example he is very competitive and feels losses(in sports etc) quite heavily and I am always trying to make him feel good about himself. But I see that he is emotionally unavailable and I def make him aware of that I think. Once in anger, I told him " dude you're almost 30 and still act like this emotionally, you need a therapist" and it was over text, but I could tell that hurt him and I apologized right away. So I can def see how I make him aware of things.

Wow! I have never heard of emotional incest, but that is interesting. I have not met his parents so I cannot really say the dynamic between them. But def seems to talk about his mother more than his dad. I have also noticed that he seems to get angry at his fraternal twin born 7 min after because he thinks he is more selfish and disregards their mom's feelings. So maybe some mommy issues?

I would love to learn more about how to be assertive than passive-aggressive. I am very passive-aggressive at times, maybe because of mars in libra and also the type of relationships I've been in previously. Me and this guy have our issues definitely but it is the first time I have experienced the need for good communication. He has no tolerance for passive aggressiveness so I am SLOWLY learning to be less like that and openly express when I am upset. I really like that I am becoming like that but the only problem is sometimes when I express what bothers me he retreats, like " I know I'm like that, I need to change maybe I just am not capable of being in a relationship right now... I need to learn to be less selfish" Makes me think he has some emotional trauma that he is scared and thinks he is not good enough.

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For me, I associate Pallas with pattern recognition and female strength

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Hello Stoika, thank you so much for your insight!

It seems that we have so many aspects that point to " love" or a good relationship but then also at the same time so many aspects that point to short term as well. Does Juno/South node mean we have karma from a previous life relationship?

Yes, I definitely think he needs his space and alone time for sure. He does enjoy his alone time at home, like not only space from me but from his friends too.

I am a little confused by the placement of Chiron. It is placed in the 11th house, I thought this was the house of friendships? I dont see any hurt regarding friendships or social connections yet. infact we have completely different groups of friends, as he is 29 and I am 23. Most of our hurt and the only thing I see as a problem usually is his emotional unavailability. Is there another way I should interpret the 11th house? Can you also explain Saturn in the 5th house a bit more? there is not much info on the composite houses online!

Yes we are definitely healing I feel by talking about past issues... one thing for sure my communication skills is definitely improving through this relationship.

Thank you Stoika!!


Chiron in the 11th house usually points to "isolation" or a very reserved kind of relationship, maybe the fact that you have different groups of friends makes you less active socially as a couple, but it sometimes points to a more "secluded" relationship... the t-square with Saturn and Moon is a bit heavy in my opinion, this is an aspect that may be emotionally draining and bring great frustration as if the desire to share more in life is never fulfilled and so there may be a burden emotionally, the two people may feel "lonely" and their emotional needs are not always met. There's something hindering the enjoyment of the full emotional shared experience, there may be harsh criticism and especially the woman can be hurted by a sense of abandonment and emotional neglect from the man.

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