posted April 13, 2021 05:39 AM              

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
I am talking 0 and 2 degrees here

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I work on the assumption that synastry orbs should be half of those used for natal charts (since two charts = twice the number of potential aspects).

However, deciding upon the correct natal orb (for a cold reading) is difficult - and then, there is the problem of deciding how much to extend that to take account of our personal knowledge of the chart owner (warm reading).

Hence, the correct orbs can only be determined via feedback from the chart owner. ... If they can recognise/relate to your interpretation of an aspect, it is "within-the-maximum-allowable-orb". ... If they cannot recognise/relate to your interpretation of an aspect, it is "outside-the-maximum-allowable-orb".
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When interpreting a Mars-Pluto synastry aspect, MUCH will depend upon whether it is "easy" or "difficult". ... And you probably know already that the "difficult" aspects are found ONLY in the 2-series of Harmonic Aspects. ... (So, H2/opposition : H4/square : H8/semisquare+sesquisquare : H16 : H32 : H64.)

posted April 13, 2021 12:55 PM              

Maybe I could help a bit.

A small orb 0-2 deg is (of course) taken into consideration, but a wider orb (5 degrees or wider, as Alegna has already mentioned) is observed too depending on how strong the planets are and what other aspects they build.

BUT - synastry won't tell you much if you don't study individual charts first. In detail. You need to know exactly what Mars and Pluto do in someones chart.

I have them very strong and I attract people of similar energy / who have that aspect natally and / or synastries with that aspect. But, my Mars-Pluto aspect behaviour is not / will not be like yours or someone else's. Of course, there will be some similarities, due to the nature of the planets involved.

Graham is right in his description of this aspect, but those are just a few of the many possible scenarios.
It's true that this aspect can generate huge mutual attraction, passion, insanely intense emotions, a desire to possess each other, etc etc. Pluto multiplies everything it touches, and in this case it does it to its former self, cause Pluto is Mars 2.0. So - explosion.
It can also give a huge repulsion, and in some cases hatred and violence, even in good aspects, and this can happen if one of the partners has a very damaged natal Mars or Pluto, or chart in general. I emphasize "it can happen" but it doesn't have to, and that's why it's very important to look at the separate charts first and then sinastry. A similar can happen if the other side simply does not have the capacity to deal with such energy (so, as an example, they can become violent in defence, even if the danger is not real). Or, there will be no reaction. There're people who do not register certain energies or barely register.

posted April 16, 2021 04:25 PM              

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I have the trine with one person and the conjunction with another. For me, the conjunction is very strong and more intense. It makes me want to act out on my deepest, kinkiest sexual fantasies with the Mars person. I feel like I can be myself sexually and I don't have to hold back. I know most people don't like this aspect but I love it. I don't know about the square and opposition though.

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posted April 19, 2021 07:38 PM            

The one thing I can point to is that it does seem to lead to a ton of jealousy. It seems like the guy gets jealous whenever she gives positive attention to any suitable guy.

posted April 21, 2021 06:08 AM            

I asked someone who has it in synastry with her boyfriend about her personal experience with it because I was worried about this aspect. She told me that the worse thing is that their arguments/fights get very heated and emotional. But otherwise it's okay. She said she is also somewhat plutonian so the heavy emotions don't bother her as much.

posted April 21, 2021 12:41 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
What I can vouch for on my end with this aspect is jealousy jealousy jealousy. You hate it when someone takes up more of their time or has more of a role in their life that isn't supposed to. Like if you are a chick chasing a guy and you have this aspect with him, you won't hate him for giving more time to his wife because he is supposed to. What you will hate is when another random girl in your situation is getting more time with him.

Like you almost go "well hey if you are gonna cheat, do it with me doofus".

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Hey,

I've got this aspect going on with a person. I might make a post about it later.

I'm the Mars, she's the Pluto, it's conjunct at 2°. I have never felt so sexually enthralled by someone.

The urge is so intense that just seeing her activates the highest signs of arousal within me. Being just in presence with this person is more intense than any other sexual encounters I've had, and I've had quite explosive experiences.

Self-control is needed at first, because this energy made me want to rape the person like a drunk sailor in rut in a filthy inn.

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I still haven't "made" it yet. Scared of the violence of this desire. But I will reach my "goal", because yes, as ridiculous as it sounds, it has become a goal now.

posted April 22, 2021 03:19 AM            

It was intense attraction at first meeting. Even before we were officially a couple, we were already very possessive and jealous of each other. Sexual attraction and passion were high on the charts.

Arguments can get heated but it's rare. More often one of us will zip when it gets too heated because we both hate fighting... Then it usually ends with passionate makeup.

posted April 26, 2021 05:01 AM            

He was Mars, I was Pluto. But at the time I was attributing these effects to an exact Moon-Pluto conjunction (him Pluto), as well as an exact conjunction of his Sun and my Moon. There was also his Pluto conjunct my Saturn and Jupiter, his Pluto and Sun trine my Sun. His Venus in Scorpio widely conjunct my Asc from the 12th house and my Lilith & Juno. My Lilith & Juno in Scorpio on his North Node and Uranus. His Mars trine my Mars & Mercury.

So it's hard to disentangle the Mars-Pluto effect. I was mostly cursing the Moon-Pluto conjunction at the time LOL and then I've read all the drama about Mars-Pluto much later.

posted April 26, 2021 07:31 AM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
So you guys are saying that it even beats mars-venus and pluto-venus?

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posted April 26, 2021 07:35 AM            

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Originally posted by AlmaRegulus:
...apart from Saturn on Asc square to Sun in a stellium with Venus and other planets. It's still an enigma for me why we didn't get together while both being single and with some signs of interest on both sides.

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